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Quote from: Koal-84 on September 25, 2023, 08:35:12 AM

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it was bad enough for bagnaia to crash in this race and end up with a dnf. if he hadn't crashed, he might have been able to widen the gap with martin and bezzecchi, but unfortunately a bad strategy ruined his race. if he can't improve his strategy in the coming races, it's possible for martin or bezzecchi to overtake him for first place.

I think Bezzecchi would have won the race even without Bagnaia's crash, the pressure on Bagnaia will definitely increase now and he needs Konstanze again in the next races, otherwise it could be difficult to defend the world championship. Bagnaia is simply dropping too many points and that is partly his own fault.

The pressure of competition in motorbike racing is enormous, especially at the highest level like MotoGP. Bagnaia will definitely feel the pressure to perform well and maintain his points lead. However, I am sure that Bagnaia will maintain his position at the top of the standings, even though personal mistakes can be an important factor in losing points, this will be a lesson for Bagnaia in the next race.
Therefore, consistency is an important factor for Bagnaia if he wants to defend his title. and don't make unnecessary mistakes

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Quote from: Koal-84 on September 25, 2023, 08:35:12 AM

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it was bad enough for bagnaia to crash in this race and end up with a dnf. if he hadn't crashed, he might have been able to widen the gap with martin and bezzecchi, but unfortunately a bad strategy ruined his race. if he can't improve his strategy in the coming races, it's possible for martin or bezzecchi to overtake him for first place.

I think Bezzecchi would have won the race even without Bagnaia's crash, the pressure on Bagnaia will definitely increase now and he needs Konstanze again in the next races, otherwise it could be difficult to defend the world championship. Bagnaia is simply dropping too many points and that is partly his own fault.

Agree. A classic mistake, Francesco Bagnaia was careless, making his own mistakes and falling.
The new circuit provides new challenges for racers.
Racers must quickly adapt to master the racing field to provide their best performance.
Marco Bezzecchi became the fourth racer to win at a new circuit out of seven new circuits in the last six years.
The other three racers are Miguel Oliveira, Andrea Iannone, and Marc Marquez.

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Quote from: moneystery on September 25, 2023, 07:48:46 AM

it was bad enough for bagnaia to crash in this race and end up with a dnf. if he hadn't crashed, he might have been able to widen the gap with martin and bezzecchi, but unfortunately a bad strategy ruined his race. if he can't improve his strategy in the coming races, it's possible for martin or bezzecchi to overtake him for first place.

I think Bezzecchi would have won the race even without Bagnaia's crash, the pressure on Bagnaia will definitely increase now and he needs Konstanze again in the next races, otherwise it could be difficult to defend the world championship. Bagnaia is simply dropping too many points and that is partly his own fault.

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RBR is back, well Max is back.

I'm still not sure if Max its so good or Perez its so bad

Max has consistently shown that he is a very good driver since the early stages by being able to always beat his team mates whoever they were and Ricciardo was one of them which for me is a very good driver overall.

I think nobody can say that he is a bad driver.
We can discuss how good he is.

Even Hamilton was a god but when he got another decent driver in his team he lost the title (Rosberg)

Yeah but this depends only on the team management and not on Max,I am sure Max would not mind having Hamilton as a team mate as he knows Hamilton is near 40 and this would be a great opportunity to him to beat Hamilton in the same car.I know that maybe deep inside he wants to have Perez as a team mate but I think that after having this third title he would be very much entertained to have Hamilton as a team mate,the age difference will play a huge difference in the driving style and of course I think Verstappen would be the better driver here only thanks to the age as I cannot clearly distinguish which one is better from the two.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on September 24, 2023, 02:07:37 PM

Quote from: Davian144 on September 24, 2023, 05:46:08 AM

Today's weather conditions in India are very sunny and hot, so there is the possibility of quite a fierce fight if there are no incidents like yesterday at several corners, including the first corner, because there is a very vulnerable situation for every rider to get hit. Soon the Indian MotoGP Race will start and in my opinion this schedule is a little early because India is a country in the Asian region, now let's get ready to watch the MotoGP Race on a new circuit this season with the second longest track after Mugello.

It's getting close for Bagnaia, the crash today was very bad for the championship and he has very little lead now, Martin and Bezzecchi are having a simple run at the moment and Bagnaia is giving away too many points with the crashes.

it was bad enough for bagnaia to crash in this race and end up with a dnf. if he hadn't crashed, he might have been able to widen the gap with martin and bezzecchi, but unfortunately a bad strategy ruined his race. if he can't improve his strategy in the coming races, it's possible for martin or bezzecchi to overtake him for first place.

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Quote from: swogerino on September 24, 2023, 03:57:30 PM

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RBR is back, well Max is back.

I'm still not sure if Max its so good or Perez its so bad

Max has consistently shown that he is a very good driver since the early stages by being able to always beat his team mates whoever they were and Ricciardo was one of them which for me is a very good driver overall.

I think nobody can say that he is a bad driver.
We can discuss how good he is.

Even Hamilton was a god but when he got another decent driver in his team he lost the title (Rosberg)

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on September 24, 2023, 02:59:50 PM

RBR is back, well Max is back.

I'm still not sure if Max its so good or Perez its so bad

Max has consistently shown that he is a very good driver since the early stages by being able to always beat his team mates whoever they were and Ricciardo was one of them which for me is a very good driver overall.

Regarding Perez I always think that he was hyped more by the media than he has delivered,I never liked him since his time at McLaren where he had a relatively quick car and he kept failing to deliver with such car,the times with Force India where he got his first win was all about luck but that win pumped him to better and better teams until he came to Redbull where he had won some races.He though can never be compared to Verstappen as he is way to damn slow compared to him,in this race of today he was completely sleeping and trying lame attempts overtaking that saw him retiring from the race.

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Suzuka gave us interesting race, but as usual, there was no fight for win. Red Bull already too construcors championship trophy. What a great race for Mclaren with both drivers on podium. And Piastri - it doesn't happens often when driver on his rookie season reach podium.
It looked a bit ridiculous when Mercdes tried to copy Ferrari defense strategy with DRS. They had no chance to protect Russel and keep Sainz behind.

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RBR is back, well Max is back.

I'm still not sure if Max its so good or Perez its so bad

I would say that Perez is bad. It's not that he has different car than Max or some other reasons. That accident was completely his fault. There was few races when he showed signs of recovery, but now he is back to usual business. Though, most of drivers probably would look bad in shadow of Verstappen. Still, despite it, Red Bull got early constructors championship trophy.

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RBR is back, well Max is back.

I'm still not sure if Max its so good or Perez its so bad

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Quote from: Davian144 on September 24, 2023, 05:46:08 AM

Today's weather conditions in India are very sunny and hot, so there is the possibility of quite a fierce fight if there are no incidents like yesterday at several corners, including the first corner, because there is a very vulnerable situation for every rider to get hit. Soon the Indian MotoGP Race will start and in my opinion this schedule is a little early because India is a country in the Asian region, now let's get ready to watch the MotoGP Race on a new circuit this season with the second longest track after Mugello.

It's getting close for Bagnaia, the crash today was very bad for the championship and he has very little lead now, Martin and Bezzecchi are having a simple run at the moment and Bagnaia is giving away too many points with the crashes.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on September 23, 2023, 04:59:56 AM

Verstappen is back in business again.

It was such an amazing qualifying performance by him. He took pole position by a really significant time gap. Just as I expected he is very ambitious to make up for the result of the Singapore GP. I will be expecting the same performance from him in the race as well. I can't imagine the time gap there.

Singapore really is Max's weakness, although still pretty impressive nonetheless. Half a second time gap from the second best driver of the day is really something else. His teammate seem to be struggling in getting around the corners though, and even performed worse than the free practice session. Expecting to see Max conquer Japan GP with effort and stunning results (as always), while I'm hoping for Perez to grind more and come close to what his teammate is achieving in this track.

Yes,Max has never won in Singapore but this year Singapore race he was the unluckiest person on earth,the Safety Car was deployed just when it was needed for the Ferraris while Max was forced to continue as they were in different race strategies and that was the hit that blown away every hope of Verstappen to do better.I am not saying that he was going to win the race but at least we would have seen an even more intense race than it was and of course would have been much more beautiful in the end.

He recovered directly now in Japan and gave near 20 seconds distance to the second place,it shows it was just a mistake of the Redbull team in strategy,setup and everything in Singapore while today he won a perfect race.

He's a completely different beast in other tracks, it's just that Singapore isn't really good to him during his years in the F1 scene. He's performing really well in Japan GP, and it seems that they already have a flawless strategy heading on to Japan as they are posting huge gaps from the second placer.

Right now, I'm interested on other teams and drivers as we all know that RBR gets this whole leg without any problem, even though Perez is somewhat trailing sometimes despite having the same car.

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What a race! Suzuka really offers exciting racing for F1 fans. Starting from Yuki and Lawson who went side by side on the first lap, Hamilton and Russell who overtook each other, Team Ferrari who really chased Team McLaren, and 5 drivers who left the race. Good job to the team who tried their best to show their best performance, but the championship is still for RBR and also they are the best constructor this year - RBR really deserves it.

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Quote from: dothebeats on September 23, 2023, 06:18:33 PM

Quote from: Velvet78 on September 23, 2023, 04:59:56 AM

Verstappen is back in business again.

It was such an amazing qualifying performance by him. He took pole position by a really significant time gap. Just as I expected he is very ambitious to make up for the result of the Singapore GP. I will be expecting the same performance from him in the race as well. I can't imagine the time gap there.

Singapore really is Max's weakness, although still pretty impressive nonetheless. Half a second time gap from the second best driver of the day is really something else. His teammate seem to be struggling in getting around the corners though, and even performed worse than the free practice session. Expecting to see Max conquer Japan GP with effort and stunning results (as always), while I'm hoping for Perez to grind more and come close to what his teammate is achieving in this track.

Yes,Max has never won in Singapore but this year Singapore race he was the unluckiest person on earth,the Safety Car was deployed just when it was needed for the Ferraris while Max was forced to continue as they were in different race strategies and that was the hit that blown away every hope of Verstappen to do better.I am not saying that he was going to win the race but at least we would have seen an even more intense race than it was and of course would have been much more beautiful in the end.

He recovered directly now in Japan and gave near 20 seconds distance to the second place,it shows it was just a mistake of the Redbull team in strategy,setup and everything in Singapore while today he won a perfect race.

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Today's weather conditions in India are very sunny and hot, so there is the possibility of quite a fierce fight if there are no incidents like yesterday at several corners, including the first corner, because there is a very vulnerable situation for every rider to get hit. Soon the Indian MotoGP Race will start and in my opinion this schedule is a little early because India is a country in the Asian region, now let's get ready to watch the MotoGP Race on a new circuit this season with the second longest track after Mugello.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on September 23, 2023, 04:59:56 AM

Verstappen is back in business again.

It was such an amazing qualifying performance by him. He took pole position by a really significant time gap. Just as I expected he is very ambitious to make up for the result of the Singapore GP. I will be expecting the same performance from him in the race as well. I can't imagine the time gap there.

Singapore really is Max's weakness, although still pretty impressive nonetheless. Half a second time gap from the second best driver of the day is really something else. His teammate seem to be struggling in getting around the corners though, and even performed worse than the free practice session. Expecting to see Max conquer Japan GP with effort and stunning results (as always), while I'm hoping for Perez to grind more and come close to what his teammate is achieving in this track.

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Max will win for sure unless something happens.

In the past race, it seems they only got problems with the temperature of the tyres.

We still do not know their secret.

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Max is definitely back and with a good margin of a distance set in the final qualifying lap,more than half a second faster than both Ferraris and McLarens,also than his team mate but his team mate is just a mediocre driver as Hamilton said,Max would not be entertaining himself and definitely would not be laughing that much.

It is a really technical track and in here the aerodynamics design of the car is making a huge difference,of course when driven by a very fast and aggressive driver like Verstappen is,so for tomorrow race if conditions are normal,no rain,no crashes and Safety Car it is going to be a very easy win for Redbull.

The time of both McLaren and Ferrari are really close. Probably 0.1 second of difference if I am not wrong. But Max Verstappen has definitely done really well. And he is actually ahead by more than half a second as you said. That was really incredible.

I think Red Bull should play this one safely. They should be able to win easily in my opinion as well. But of course, the conditions will have to be good. Under good conditions and the car is perfectly driven, I don't think they will have any problems. I am not trying to insult anyone by saying that he might not drive the car properly. There is a reason why he is the world's best. But they should not get ahead of themselves.

This track is a very technical one as I said and it means that one driver no matter who he is should be completely focused 100% during the whole race as there are quite some deceiving turns in here which can put you out of the race in an instant.This danger is of course for everyone from the top guy to the 20th guy,they all risk the same and this is another factor that should make the race interesting to watch despite Redbull dominance during this race.

That is why I think to bet on a Safety Car yes during the race of tomorrow,one race incident in this track it means that directly the Safety Car will be deployed.It may as well change the race as in Singapore it was very lucky for Ferrari and very unlucky for Redbull the moment in which the Safety Car was deployed.

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Quote from: swogerino on September 23, 2023, 04:36:17 AM

Max is definitely back and with a good margin of a distance set in the final qualifying lap,more than half a second faster than both Ferraris and McLarens,also than his team mate but his team mate is just a mediocre driver as Hamilton said,Max would not be entertaining himself and definitely would not be laughing that much.

It is a really technical track and in here the aerodynamics design of the car is making a huge difference,of course when driven by a very fast and aggressive driver like Verstappen is,so for tomorrow race if conditions are normal,no rain,no crashes and Safety Car it is going to be a very easy win for Redbull.

The time of both McLaren and Ferrari are really close. Probably 0.1 second of difference if I am not wrong. But Max Verstappen has definitely done really well. And he is actually ahead by more than half a second as you said. That was really incredible.

I think Red Bull should play this one safely. They should be able to win easily in my opinion as well. But of course, the conditions will have to be good. Under good conditions and the car is perfectly driven, I don't think they will have any problems. I am not trying to insult anyone by saying that he might not drive the car properly. There is a reason why he is the world's best. But they should not get ahead of themselves.

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Quote from: swogerino on September 23, 2023, 07:03:22 AM

Tomorrow I think we can watch two races in a day as one race is in Japan and the other in India which are with 4 hour difference in time so we can see nice racing action tomorrow.If I miss the early race of F1 in Japan (highly unlikely) then I am sure I will be waked in the MotoGP race.

Actually, there are not only two races for tomorrow, but in general there are three races with different names in each name, namely the Indian MotoGP race, the Spanish Aragon WSBK race and F1 in Japan. This means that everyone can wait and see each race in one day because the race schedules are different so it is very possible to watch them all in one day.

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The MotoGP has had some really bad crashes in this season with Bagnaia leading the worse of them and having some health issues because of that.Now the Championship is open again in MotoGP much different from that of F1 which is over from many years ago.

Bagnaia is back to health now because he only suffered bruises during the accident in Barcelona and today Bagnaia also managed to finish second in the Sprint Race behind Jorge Martin. If only there had not been an incident between Luca Marini and Bezzecchi at the first corner, I think the race would have been much fiercer because after this incident, Bezzecchi dropped to 18th position, but was still able to recover and finish in the top five in today's Sprint Race.

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Quote from: Davian144 on September 23, 2023, 06:47:33 AM

The condition of the Indian MotoGP circuit which is still quite wet will create more interesting surprises in this Sprint Race. I really hope there will be a fiercer battle because the Indian circuit has quite long straight tracks and a rather complicated corner layout so it is possible that some riders might experience unexpected things. Hopefully tomorrow the track conditions will not be like today so that there will be more different competition in the race.

Tomorrow I think we can watch two races in a day as one race is in Japan and the other in India which are with 4 hour difference in time so we can see nice racing action tomorrow.If I miss the early race of F1 in Japan (highly unlikely) then I am sure I will be waked in the MotoGP race.

The MotoGP has had some really bad crashes in this season with Bagnaia leading the worse of them and having some health issues because of that.Now the Championship is open again in MotoGP much different from that of F1 which is over from many years ago.

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