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Quote from: Davian144 on November 10, 2023, 12:52:47 PM

That's really not good because Martin continued to show his strength in the two sessions that took place today (FP1 and Practice). Bagnaia must be able to recover in qualifying tomorrow to place himself on a better grid so he can go faster when he starts the Sprint and Race on Sunday. If Bagnaia continues like that and doesn't immediately make a comeback in the remaining series of this season, his title may be completely lost this season.

Martin is indeed more talented IMHO.

But if Bagnana will lose the title it will be only his fault, since at the start of the season he slept 3 times alone when he was leading or close to leading the race.

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Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on November 10, 2023, 07:51:55 AM

There is a difference for the Las Vegas Grand Prix in addition to its being held for the first time after 41 years. This difference is the days of the race weekend. Because this time we are going to watch a race on Saturday. I guess that it must be the first ever race which is organized for this day in Formula 1.

Apart from that I really wonder what kind of a race we will watch. Even though the drivers are going to race here for the first time I still expect Verstappen to maintain his dominance.

By the way have you seen the design of the kerbs? It is quite interesting and lovely I think.

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It looks really awesome! Cheesy

It is just fitting Las Vegas as it is a place known with 7/24 casinos and so on.

I hope to see a different driver winning this Grand Prix. Verstappen is a special driver with an incredibly fast car. Therefore it isn't easy to defeat him even on an unfamiliar track for all of the drivers. I presume there wouldn't be any big team other than Red Bull bringing a huge update to their cars for this race. In the end the season is about to finish. I especially wonder how fast Mercedes and McLaren will be here.

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Not so great for Bagnaia, he may lose the title here

That's really not good because Martin continued to show his strength in the two sessions that took place today (FP1 and Practice). Bagnaia must be able to recover in qualifying tomorrow to place himself on a better grid so he can go faster when he starts the Sprint and Race on Sunday. If Bagnaia continues like that and doesn't immediately make a comeback in the remaining series of this season, his title may be completely lost this season.

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Pos   Rider   Nat   Team   Time/Diff   Lap   Max
1   Alex Marquez   SPA   Gresini Ducati (GP22)   1'57.823s   19/19   331k
2   Jorge Martin   SPA   Pramac Ducati (GP23)   +0.174s   19/20   333k
3   Jack Miller   AUS   Red Bull KTM (RC16)   +0.409s   19/20   334k
4   Brad Binder   RSA   Red Bull KTM (RC16)   +0.484s   19/19   334k
5   Maverick Viñales   SPA   Aprilia Racing (RS-GP23)   +0.489s   15/17   333k
6   Luca Marini   ITA   Mooney VR46 Ducati (GP22)   +0.511s   21/21   330k
7   Fabio Quartararo   FRA   Monster Yamaha (YZR-M1)   +0.576s   15/19   331k
8   Francesco Bagnaia   ITA   Ducati Lenovo (GP23)   +0.597s   16/20   334k
9   Marco Bezzecchi   ITA   Mooney VR46 Ducati (GP22)   +0.627s   18/21   333k
10   Johann Zarco   FRA   Pramac Ducati (GP23)   +0.664s   15/16   331k

Source: https://www.crash.net/motogp/results/1040486/1/malaysian-motogp-sepang-friday-practice-results

Not so great for Bagnaia, he may lose the title here

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Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on November 10, 2023, 07:51:55 AM

There is a difference for the Las Vegas Grand Prix in addition to its being held for the first time after 41 years. This difference is the days of the race weekend. Because this time we are going to watch a race on Saturday. I guess that it must be the first ever race which is organized for this day in Formula 1.

Apart from that I really wonder what kind of a race we will watch. Even though the drivers are going to race here for the first time I still expect Verstappen to maintain his dominance.

By the way have you seen the design of the kerbs? It is quite interesting and lovely I think.

I think they have found the right design for the kerbs considering we are racing in Las Vegas which has been advertised before the start of the season as the most beautiful race of this season so I am very much looking forward to it next week,unfortunately we have to wait another week to see such beautiful action on track.Those cards designs for the kerbs coincide exactly with what happens in Vegas,gambling to the fullest and they also call it the city that never sleeps referring to 24 hours casinos open all night.

For the dominance though I would not be surprised if someone else starts doing better than Verstappen although highly unlikely.

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There is a difference for the Las Vegas Grand Prix in addition to its being held for the first time after 41 years. This difference is the days of the race weekend. Because this time we are going to watch a race on Saturday. I guess that it must be the first ever race which is organized for this day in Formula 1.

Apart from that I really wonder what kind of a race we will watch. Even though the drivers are going to race here for the first time I still expect Verstappen to maintain his dominance.

By the way have you seen the design of the kerbs? It is quite interesting and lovely I think.

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No F1 this week Shocked

I thought they were racing this week but nope, they will race almost in December this year. crazy.

Isn't almost winter in Las Vegas?

Are they racing with freezing time?

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Quote from: emrecemsan on November 09, 2023, 03:10:34 PM

As a result I would really like to see a driver like Alonso beside him. We can at least see some competition between the drivers of the same team for the title.

But of course neither Red Bull nor Verstappen would like this idea.

Max is currently the face of Red Bull and F1. For sure, Red Bull will always like their boy to get the title and to make the world know that they are the best team through this guy. I think at this point, we cannot blame how well built RB19 was. Perez and Verstappen have the same spec'd car but Verstappen always seem to slide past Perez that the latter doesn't seem to be any competition to Max at all. Of course there are some strategies and team calls wherein Perez have to give up the position or help Max get the pole, but I guess it's also on how Max utilizes and drives the car to its full potential.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on November 08, 2023, 10:51:20 PM

@emrecemsan I don’t think that Red Bull will do anything to upset Max because he’s their wild card who’s going to win them many trophies hence I doubt they’ll move for Alonso now. Furthermore the only reason I can see Alonso coming to Red Bull would be if the team management want to rub his experience on Max as Alonso could definitely help Max further unlock his game.

Honestly I have really missed the days in which Verstappen was competing hard against a driver for the title. I'm actually meaning the 2021 season. Grin

It was really lovely to watch that incredible competition between Hamilton and Verstappen. The champion was decided in the last lap of the season. But now we are back to another domination period just as the ones Hamilton had in the past. In fact Verstappen's domination level is even higher than Hamilton's currently.

As a result I would really like to see a driver like Alonso beside him. We can at least see some competition between the drivers of the same team for the title.

But of course neither Red Bull nor Verstappen would like this idea.

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Quote from: emrecemsan on November 08, 2023, 12:52:47 PM

Quote from: borovichok on November 08, 2023, 11:29:52 AM

In his formative years, Alonso was skilled in knocking out opponents and winning races, despite the fact that they were all classified in the past. Despite being 42 years old, he never gives up and always aspires for the most exquisite racing results, which he also works rigorously for. Fernando Alonso possesses racing experience and understands the risks involved. He has won several important trophies in motorsport racing, and he is an important designation in the system, and most of his opponents fear him because they believe he is a serious threat.

He is still a big threat to every driver on the grid indeed. I can't imagine Alonso taking Perez's seat at Red Bull for example. There would be chaos between him and Verstappen without doubt. Cheesy

If Lawrence Stroll didn't have his son at Aston Martin as one of the drivers then Alonso would have surely been the main driver. Even Lawrence Stroll must be really uncomfortable with Stroll's overall performance. I know that he did well in the previous race but he just can't keep up with Alonso at all. Alonso is a very competitive driver and he deserves to be the main driver at any team he goes to.

@emrecemsan I don’t think that Red Bull will do anything to upset Max because he’s their wild card who’s going to win them many trophies hence I doubt they’ll move for Alonso now. Furthermore the only reason I can see Alonso coming to Red Bull would be if the team management want to rub his experience on Max as Alonso could definitely help Max further unlock his game.

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Quote from: moneystery on November 08, 2023, 10:36:53 AM

Quote from: boty on November 08, 2023, 09:46:01 AM

Of the remaining 3 main races and also 3 sprint races, of course this is very interesting for us to see from each racer, Marco Bezzecchi also still has a chance to fight for the crown but he was the last to get a podium at the Indian MotoGP, will we be able to see Marco Bezzecchi's performance fighting for the podium? at the Sepang Petronas International Circuit and if you can get a podium this time it will certainly be even more interesting in the hunt for the MotoGP crown.

i think bezzecchi has a slim chance of becoming world champion considering that his points are only 310, compared to martin's 376 and bagnaia's 389. what people are counting on now is only martin who can change things and make him first place considering that the point difference is only 13 points .

I think so too because the only chance that is very close at the moment is that Bagnaia and Martin will continue to fight for the title this year. Meanwhile, Marco Bezzecchi will only try to finish at the front as much as he can because apart from his insufficient number of points, Marco Bezzecchi uses an older motorbike than Bagnaia and Martin so his chances of winning this year are slim. This week will probably be quite an interesting race because the races at Sepang are often very fierce.

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each rider has their own strategy and it is quite difficult to predict who will win, whether martin or bagnaia, both have the same chance of winning the world title.

but my feeling is that the one who will win the moto gp session this year is bagnaia, even though he is quite burdened at the moment, he is still confident and not aggressive. and that might be what will make him world champion.

I will not make any feelings about this other than just the facts that have been seen in all the races that have passed. On paper, Martin always looks stronger if he doesn't make any mistakes, but Martin forgets to use strategy when he is in front of the other riders so he is often approached by other riders when the race starts to have a few more laps left. However, in this week's race, maybe Martin will use the same method with a slightly different strategy so that his opponents cannot approach him until the end of the race.

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Quote from: borovichok on November 08, 2023, 11:29:52 AM

In his formative years, Alonso was skilled in knocking out opponents and winning races, despite the fact that they were all classified in the past. Despite being 42 years old, he never gives up and always aspires for the most exquisite racing results, which he also works rigorously for. Fernando Alonso possesses racing experience and understands the risks involved. He has won several important trophies in motorsport racing, and he is an important designation in the system, and most of his opponents fear him because they believe he is a serious threat.

He is still a big threat to every driver on the grid indeed. I can't imagine Alonso taking Perez's seat at Red Bull for example. There would be chaos between him and Verstappen without doubt. Cheesy

If Lawrence Stroll didn't have his son at Aston Martin as one of the drivers then Alonso would have surely been the main driver. Even Lawrence Stroll must be really uncomfortable with Stroll's overall performance. I know that he did well in the previous race but he just can't keep up with Alonso at all. Alonso is a very competitive driver and he deserves to be the main driver at any team he goes to.

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Quote from: emrecemsan on November 07, 2023, 02:27:03 PM

The overtake rivalry between Alonso and Perez was awesome! Alonso showed his experience in a really great way by fighting back against Perez strongly and defending his position "like a lion". Grin

Being 42 years old isn't a negative side for Alonso at all. He is still racing like in his younger times. This is what makes him one of the most special drivers in F1 history. When it comes to Perez's future at Red Bull it is difficult to predict for now. Maybe Red Bull might decide to give him another year there. Because Verstappen's performance has been enough to make Red Bull the champions single-handedly.

I mean even if Perez had zero points now Verstappen was still going to bring the title to his team.

In his formative years, Alonso was skilled in knocking out opponents and winning races, despite the fact that they were all classified in the past. Despite being 42 years old, he never gives up and always aspires for the most exquisite racing results, which he also works rigorously for. Fernando Alonso possesses racing experience and understands the risks involved. He has won several important trophies in motorsport racing, and he is an important designation in the system, and most of his opponents fear him because they believe he is a serious threat.

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Quote from: boty on November 08, 2023, 09:46:01 AM

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Of the remaining 3 main races and also 3 sprint races, of course this is very interesting for us to see from each racer, Marco Bezzecchi also still has a chance to fight for the crown but he was the last to get a podium at the Indian MotoGP, will we be able to see Marco Bezzecchi's performance fighting for the podium? at the Sepang Petronas International Circuit and if you can get a podium this time it will certainly be even more interesting in the hunt for the MotoGP crown.

i think bezzecchi has a slim chance of becoming world champion considering that his points are only 310, compared to martin's 376 and bagnaia's 389. what people are counting on now is only martin who can change things and make him first place considering that the point difference is only 13 points .

each rider has their own strategy and it is quite difficult to predict who will win, whether martin or bagnaia, both have the same chance of winning the world title.

but my feeling is that the one who will win the moto gp session this year is bagnaia, even though he is quite burdened at the moment, he is still confident and not aggressive. and that might be what will make him world champion.

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Quote from: Davian144 on November 07, 2023, 02:37:24 AM

This week the MotoGP race will take place at the Sepang Petronas International Circuit, which will take place consecutively in three weeks without a break for the remaining three series this season and Bagnaia and Martin will try to appear aggressive because there are only 111 points still up for grabs. by all riders in the three series including the two of them too. This will certainly be very interesting because there will no longer be breaks every week for the remaining three series.

https://www.motogp.com/en/news/2023/11/06/all-or-nothing-sepang-sets-the-final-countdown-in-motion/482803

Of the remaining 3 main races and also 3 sprint races, of course this is very interesting for us to see from each racer, Marco Bezzecchi also still has a chance to fight for the crown but he was the last to get a podium at the Indian MotoGP, will we be able to see Marco Bezzecchi's performance fighting for the podium? at the Sepang Petronas International Circuit and if you can get a podium this time it will certainly be even more interesting in the hunt for the MotoGP crown.

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The overtake rivalry between Alonso and Perez was awesome! Alonso showed his experience in a really great way by fighting back against Perez strongly and defending his position "like a lion". Grin

Being 42 years old isn't a negative side for Alonso at all. He is still racing like in his younger times. This is what makes him one of the most special drivers in F1 history. When it comes to Perez's future at Red Bull it is difficult to predict for now. Maybe Red Bull might decide to give him another year there. Because Verstappen's performance has been enough to make Red Bull the champions single-handedly.

I mean even if Perez had zero points now Verstappen was still going to bring the title to his team.

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Quote from: tokeweed on November 06, 2023, 07:15:37 AM

^ Didn't watch the race but I saw the highlights... And yeah, I guess Perez trying to redeem himself and trying to show that he deserves another contract with Red Bull. But is it too late? I think yup... Kinda too late. Marko and Horner prolly has decided mid way thru the season.

Just a couple of so so races to go. Hopefully one of Mercedes, Ferrari or any of the other teams come up with something and make it close next season. :/

I do not know if he went out or not, but I know that he is definitely watching the big screens, he has talked about it before, when you are that much ahead of everyone else and still doing the same pace and making the difference bigger, you do end up watching the screens a lot more.

There aren't that much to do during the race, I mean if you are racing to beat someone then you focus on the race and that does help you not get bored, but when you are so much ahead of everyone else, there isn't really anything that you could do that could make you have fun, you are going to get bored from watching the same track and just go round and round, you need to get a lot better. Eventually that does make you get better and you can do the fastest lap if you do that, but you could also get bored of that.

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This week the MotoGP race will take place at the Sepang Petronas International Circuit, which will take place consecutively in three weeks without a break for the remaining three series this season and Bagnaia and Martin will try to appear aggressive because there are only 111 points still up for grabs. by all riders in the three series including the two of them too. This will certainly be very interesting because there will no longer be breaks every week for the remaining three series.

https://www.motogp.com/en/news/2023/11/06/all-or-nothing-sepang-sets-the-final-countdown-in-motion/482803

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^ Didn't watch the race but I saw the highlights... And yeah, I guess Perez trying to redeem himself and trying to show that he deserves another contract with Red Bull. But is it too late? I think yup... Kinda too late. Marko and Horner prolly has decided mid way thru the season.

Just a couple of so so races to go. Hopefully one of Mercedes, Ferrari or any of the other teams come up with something and make it close next season. :/

And I don't know if this is real but saw this pic. Hilarious if real. Cheesy

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Quote from: retreat on November 05, 2023, 07:35:01 PM

It was a messy start to the race as Leclerc had to be disqualified from the race before it even started. It was unlucky for him to be disqualified even though his performance in the Sprint race yesterday was quite good. And once again Max won the race easily without any significant resistance from Norris. But the battle between Fernando and Perez was an interesting show at the end of the race. The block pass from Alonso and how frustrating it was for Perez to take his place again was very entertaining.

Alonso - Perez battle will be one of the rare unforgettable moments of the 2023 season. Alonso was outstanding. Perez said he was not dead yet. These two made the race watchable. In general, verstappen and norris competed at a different level. Stroll reassured. Mercedes was slow. Alpine was in their usual place. Tsunoda took 2 critical points. Ferrari did not surprise. Ferrari should withdraw for another 5 years so that it can only recover. With this mindset, they cannot be champions for another 16 years, not 32 years. The issue is not Max, but f1 continues its life as a tyre struggle. Drivers fight for tyres rather than good or bad vehicles. If the car does not eat tyres, which varies from track to track for each vehicle, you are definitely in the top three, otherwise the rest is a story.

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