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About Audi they are one of the brands with a big history just as Mercedes. This makes me think like maybe Audi can also be very competitive when they enter Formula 1 in 2026. However on the other hand Mercedes are very experienced in Formula 1 now. They have been in this sport for many years.

Audi will be new around here unlike them. Therefore I don't know about whether they would do a good job in their first times. Transferring Sainz in their first season already would be a big move for them surely.

But they will need some experience here and most importantly qualified engineers as much as possible to be competitive in a shorter time period.
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Bagnaia today got the medical ok after the terrible accident he had last week.

He can race this week again.
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Today Marco Bezzecchi has broken Pecco Bagnaia's record time in the FP2 session so he has set the best time with a new record today and put it first today. In addition, Marc Marquez, who had followed Dani Pedrosa in the session, also immediately qualified for Q2, which he will live tomorrow at the San Marino Grand Prix. Only on the one hand, I was a little surprised by Dani Pedrosa who still looked quite competitive with his KTM today even though he only had a wild card for the San Marino Grand Prix at the end of this week.
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I am a McLaren fan and at McLaren I didn't like him much but I must have been wrong as that must have been the car limitation.Now Sainz at Ferrari is showing that when he has a really good performing car like the one in Monza which had great speed in the straight he kept Verstappen behind for 15 laps and if it were not for his personal mistake I think he would have kept him behind at least until lap 25-28 the lap when he did the pit stop.If Ferrari increase in performance I am sure Sainz will do too.

Leclerc extension is also good for Ferrari as there are not available many good drivers to replace him and that is why he is still a good option for them.

Sainz's recent performance is arguably better than what Leclerc has shown in recent races. He just needs to get a good team that can treat him well and can communicate well with him. The rumors that Sainz will move to the Audi team seems to be a good thing for him, considering that he just needs a good car and Audi will probably be able to give him that and maybe it will give him a better performance.

Audi in recent years has improved a lot as a brand being now competing directly with Mercedes or BMW and in many European countries being preferred as the top brand in the world by the customers.This however does not mean that they will be performing well right away in the F1 as they have no experience in F1,sure they have a lot of experience in Le Mans series and even won them with the R17 version of the race car (not sure about this) but in Formula 1 you need a whole lot more than that.I agree though,they can improve pretty quickly and Sainz will be happy to be there when this happens.
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I am a McLaren fan and at McLaren I didn't like him much but I must have been wrong as that must have been the car limitation.Now Sainz at Ferrari is showing that when he has a really good performing car like the one in Monza which had great speed in the straight he kept Verstappen behind for 15 laps and if it were not for his personal mistake I think he would have kept him behind at least until lap 25-28 the lap when he did the pit stop.If Ferrari increase in performance I am sure Sainz will do too.

Leclerc extension is also good for Ferrari as there are not available many good drivers to replace him and that is why he is still a good option for them.

Sainz's recent performance is arguably better than what Leclerc has shown in recent races. He just needs to get a good team that can treat him well and can communicate well with him. The rumors that Sainz will move to the Audi team seems to be a good thing for him, considering that he just needs a good car and Audi will probably be able to give him that and maybe it will give him a better performance.
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As expected another easy win for MAx.

Driver of the day, Sainz without any doubt. Today he has been a monster.

Yup...  Is Leclerc just not trying hard to get as much from his car anymore?  I feel like he's starting to fade and just want to get this season over and done with to start anew on 2024.  He says Ferrari promised him a really good car next year.  I think it's a crock of sht as the Ferrari brass just wants him to commit and sign a new long term contract.

But we'll see and I hope I'm wrong.  Seeing RBR winning a lot of podiums again next year would be meh.

Italian GP 2023:  Race Highlights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd9eALWJRzY

Seeing how Leclerc has performed in the last few races, I quite agree with what you say. Leclerc doesn't look like he's trying any better with the car he drives. He seemed to be trying to play it safe, even though if he could play better he should be able to get a better position. I think if Sainz continues to get unfair treatment from Ferrari, maybe he will leave this team for a better team.

I don't think Sainz has ever received unfair treatment from Ferrari and in fact in this last race his radio message "Guys let's bring this home" was fully supported by the team which told Leclerc soon after,race to the end but let's not risk it.
I think that Leclerc got really nervous by this message and that is why he made those many mistakes which completely consumed his tires during his fight against Sainz,if he was a bit more calm I am pretty confident he would have passed Sainz in the end as Sainz was racing already with the tires gone.

@swogerino Ferrari wants to retain Leclerc why I don’t understand because he’s been a mediocre driver and has done nothing to earn an extension on his current contract. Lastly I agree with you’ll about Sainz and I personally feel that Ferrari should allow him now to take more leads because he’s actually doing well and can deliver unlike Leclerc who’s just not doing enough in my personal opinion.

I am a McLaren fan and at McLaren I didn't like him much but I must have been wrong as that must have been the car limitation.Now Sainz at Ferrari is showing that when he has a really good performing car like the one in Monza which had great speed in the straight he kept Verstappen behind for 15 laps and if it were not for his personal mistake I think he would have kept him behind at least until lap 25-28 the lap when he did the pit stop.If Ferrari increase in performance I am sure Sainz will do too.

Leclerc extension is also good for Ferrari as there are not available many good drivers to replace him and that is why he is still a good option for them.
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As expected another easy win for MAx.

Driver of the day, Sainz without any doubt. Today he has been a monster.

Yup...  Is Leclerc just not trying hard to get as much from his car anymore?  I feel like he's starting to fade and just want to get this season over and done with to start anew on 2024.  He says Ferrari promised him a really good car next year.  I think it's a crock of sht as the Ferrari brass just wants him to commit and sign a new long term contract.

But we'll see and I hope I'm wrong.  Seeing RBR winning a lot of podiums again next year would be meh.

Italian GP 2023:  Race Highlights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd9eALWJRzY

Seeing how Leclerc has performed in the last few races, I quite agree with what you say. Leclerc doesn't look like he's trying any better with the car he drives. He seemed to be trying to play it safe, even though if he could play better he should be able to get a better position. I think if Sainz continues to get unfair treatment from Ferrari, maybe he will leave this team for a better team.

I don't think Sainz has ever received unfair treatment from Ferrari and in fact in this last race his radio message "Guys let's bring this home" was fully supported by the team which told Leclerc soon after,race to the end but let's not risk it.
I think that Leclerc got really nervous by this message and that is why he made those many mistakes which completely consumed his tires during his fight against Sainz,if he was a bit more calm I am pretty confident he would have passed Sainz in the end as Sainz was racing already with the tires gone.

@swogerino Ferrari wants to retain Leclerc why I don’t understand because he’s been a mediocre driver and has done nothing to earn an extension on his current contract. Lastly I agree with you’ll about Sainz and I personally feel that Ferrari should allow him now to take more leads because he’s actually doing well and can deliver unlike Leclerc who’s just not doing enough in my personal opinion.
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No race next week, we have 1 week break.

We are going to Marina Bay, Abu Dhabi and this time will probably not raid, you know we are in the desert
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I don't think Sainz has ever received unfair treatment from Ferrari and in fact in this last race his radio message "Guys let's bring this home" was fully supported by the team which told Leclerc soon after,race to the end but let's not risk it.
I think that Leclerc got really nervous by this message and that is why he made those many mistakes which completely consumed his tires during his fight against Sainz,if he was a bit more calm I am pretty confident he would have passed Sainz in the end as Sainz was racing already with the tires gone.

I agree with you. It wasn't an unfair attitude by Ferrari just because they let their drivers compete against each other in the last laps. The team just wanted a fair fight without big risks. Because they couldn't afford a possible crash while everything was going much better compared to the previous races.

Leclerc went all in the last moments but there was a great defending by Sainz. Considering how Sainz kept Verstappen behind for 15 laps I expected him to keep ahead of Leclerc until the end as well.
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As expected another easy win for MAx.

Driver of the day, Sainz without any doubt. Today he has been a monster.

Yup...  Is Leclerc just not trying hard to get as much from his car anymore?  I feel like he's starting to fade and just want to get this season over and done with to start anew on 2024.  He says Ferrari promised him a really good car next year.  I think it's a crock of sht as the Ferrari brass just wants him to commit and sign a new long term contract.

But we'll see and I hope I'm wrong.  Seeing RBR winning a lot of podiums again next year would be meh.

Italian GP 2023:  Race Highlights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd9eALWJRzY

Seeing how Leclerc has performed in the last few races, I quite agree with what you say. Leclerc doesn't look like he's trying any better with the car he drives. He seemed to be trying to play it safe, even though if he could play better he should be able to get a better position. I think if Sainz continues to get unfair treatment from Ferrari, maybe he will leave this team for a better team.

I don't think Sainz has ever received unfair treatment from Ferrari and in fact in this last race his radio message "Guys let's bring this home" was fully supported by the team which told Leclerc soon after,race to the end but let's not risk it.
I think that Leclerc got really nervous by this message and that is why he made those many mistakes which completely consumed his tires during his fight against Sainz,if he was a bit more calm I am pretty confident he would have passed Sainz in the end as Sainz was racing already with the tires gone.
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As expected another easy win for MAx.

Driver of the day, Sainz without any doubt. Today he has been a monster.

Yup...  Is Leclerc just not trying hard to get as much from his car anymore?  I feel like he's starting to fade and just want to get this season over and done with to start anew on 2024.  He says Ferrari promised him a really good car next year.  I think it's a crock of sht as the Ferrari brass just wants him to commit and sign a new long term contract.

But we'll see and I hope I'm wrong.  Seeing RBR winning a lot of podiums again next year would be meh.

Italian GP 2023:  Race Highlights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd9eALWJRzY

Seeing how Leclerc has performed in the last few races, I quite agree with what you say. Leclerc doesn't look like he's trying any better with the car he drives. He seemed to be trying to play it safe, even though if he could play better he should be able to get a better position. I think if Sainz continues to get unfair treatment from Ferrari, maybe he will leave this team for a better team.
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Crazy crash by Bagnaia, luckily nothing more happened and Binder didn't hurt him anymore, seems like the crash was not too bad. Congratulations to Aprilia though, if I'm not mistaken it was the first ever double win for Aprilia. Very nice.

There were two crashes on the same lap the first lap on a very close corner. The first accident that occurred at the first corner involving several riders was because Enea Bastianini was unable to control his motorbike from a rather deep corner so he dragged several other riders using Ducati motorbikes. And he himself suffered an injury to his left leg because it might have been hit by another motorbike.

Meanwhile, the second accident that happened to Bagnaia at the next corner was because he bounced off the motorbike. So that Brad Binder, who was behind, could not avoid his motorbike so that it ran over Bagnaia's legs and the one who was very lucky in the incident was Bagnaia who did not suffer any injuries. So that Bagnaia can still appear this weekend at San Marino Misano later
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As expected another easy win for MAx.

Driver of the day, Sainz without any doubt. Today he has been a monster.

Yup...  Is Leclerc just not trying hard to get as much from his car anymore?  I feel like he's starting to fade and just want to get this season over and done with to start anew on 2024.  He says Ferrari promised him a really good car next year.  I think it's a crock of sht as the Ferrari brass just wants him to commit and sign a new long term contract.

But we'll see and I hope I'm wrong.  Seeing RBR winning a lot of podiums again next year would be meh.

Italian GP 2023:  Race Highlights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd9eALWJRzY
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Still a good race for Ferrari. I just saw Leclerc quite slower than Sainz in most part of the race. I wonder what the reason was.

In fact quite the opposite,he was only slower in the first part where he had no pressure from behind him and he was saving the tires watching the battle in front of him between his team mate and Verstappen.He of course made a lot of errors during this race and it is intolerable for him to not overtake Sainz in the last part of the race where Sainz tires were already gone while Leclerc made them wear out by making mistakes one after another by choosing the wrong point of braking and this was the reason that Sainz ended up third today.He knew the tires were gone and even told to the team via radio "let's bring this home guys" a message which can be translated that please tell Leclerc to stop pushing against me.A race to forget for Leclerc today but only his own fault and no he was not at all slower than Sainz.
I kept wondering how Leclerc could stay behind Verstappen and Perez with Sainz defending in front of him the whole race and I got the answer to my question at the end of the race when Leclerc was trying to pass his teammate Sainz. He probably anticipated that Sainz would be weak at the end of the race because of his tires and saved his own tires to attack his teammate at the end of the race. The real issue is Sainz. What kind of a driver is he. He spent the whole race on defense. First he tried to hold max, that didn't work. Then he held perez, what a defense. Then he defended charles, who attacked despite the team order. and even though I like charles, I've officially cooled off from him in this race. I've never seen such a stupid move.
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Driver of the day, Sainz without any doubt. Today he has been a monster.

He managed to keep Verstappen at bay before the inevitable happens. I already expected that it's a Max win, but Sainz put up a show no doubt. It would have been Charles in the 3rd had the dude managed to keep his tires in shape by not braking too early or too late causing him to put a lot of wear on those tires. Nevertheless, it's good that the two Ferrari drivers are not clashing for placements, and the team knows that Sainz really deserves the 3rd place this time and not Leclerc. The man has been consistent throughout the race unlike the Frenchman.
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I didn't have any expectation for a Ferrari driver to win the race. Moreover I even thought that the pit crew would find a way to destroy one of their drivers' race. But interestingly Ferrari had a good day this time. Pits were decent thankfully and this was really valuable for them to be on podium finally.

I really appreciated Sainz's defending against Verstappen. For around 15 laps he did a great work about that. If he didn't make an individual mistake on the start straight Verstappen would have had to wait for many more laps to overtake him most probably. Because Sainz was saving a lot of ERS on one hand while Verstappen was using his ERS to overtake him.

Still a good race for Ferrari. I just saw Leclerc quite slower than Sainz in most part of the race. I wonder what the reason was.
Yeah, Sainz managed to keep Verstappen behind way longer than I expected. But final outcome is same like always. And we have new record with Verstappen 10 wins in a row.
Fight between Sainz and Leclerc in final laps was nice to watch. Sainz managed to keep 3rd place, but most important for Ferrari that it was clean fight, none of drivers haven't done nothing stupid.
What I can't said about Hamilton. Yeah, he got penalty for causing a collision, but race for Piastri was ruined.
And that situation with removing Tsunoda car from track is ridiculous, but shit sometimes happens, he simply stopped not in the best place.
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Still a good race for Ferrari. I just saw Leclerc quite slower than Sainz in most part of the race. I wonder what the reason was.

In fact quite the opposite,he was only slower in the first part where he had no pressure from behind him and he was saving the tires watching the battle in front of him between his team mate and Verstappen.He of course made a lot of errors during this race and it is intolerable for him to not overtake Sainz in the last part of the race where Sainz tires were already gone while Leclerc made them wear out by making mistakes one after another by choosing the wrong point of braking and this was the reason that Sainz ended up third today.He knew the tires were gone and even told to the team via radio "let's bring this home guys" a message which can be translated that please tell Leclerc to stop pushing against me.A race to forget for Leclerc today but only his own fault and no he was not at all slower than Sainz.
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As expected another easy win for MAx.

Driver of the day, Sainz without any doubt. Today he has been a monster.
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I didn't have any expectation for a Ferrari driver to win the race. Moreover I even thought that the pit crew would find a way to destroy one of their drivers' race. But interestingly Ferrari had a good day this time. Pits were decent thankfully and this was really valuable for them to be on podium finally.

I really appreciated Sainz's defending against Verstappen. For around 15 laps he did a great work about that. If he didn't make an individual mistake on the start straight Verstappen would have had to wait for many more laps to overtake him most probably. Because Sainz was saving a lot of ERS on one hand while Verstappen was using his ERS to overtake him.

Still a good race for Ferrari. I just saw Leclerc quite slower than Sainz in most part of the race. I wonder what the reason was.
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And now this time its the 10th. Max may had some trouble at the early stages of the race but then it ended up being something much different. I think its quite obvious that we are going to see Ferrari do a lot better but teams seems to have different levels of improvements all the time. We started with Aston Martin being great, not they aren't, then it was Mercedes, now not so much, then we saw mclaren, now not so much and this race it was Ferrari, lets see how long that goes. All in all I could say that its a fun thing to watch the rest of the pack, people complain about Max being the winner all the time but if you only care about the winner, you miss all that is happening everywhere else.
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