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Quote from: Distraction on November 30, 2023, 02:14:52 PM

The race calendar for 2024 season is already out! It looks like we will have more races next time. We had 22 races this season but this time there are 2 more. Of course it is still early to talk like all of these races will be held without problems. But hopefully we can watch as many races as possible next season.

It looks like a quite tight schedule at the end especially. The last 6 races are very close to each other and it would be quite tiring for teams and drivers. But for us the spectators it would be a feast! Grin

It will probably be another season dominated by Verstappen however I would like to watch some more progress by other top teams.

In fact, we were still in July, halfway through the championship, when the F1 management came forward and released the outline of the 2024 calendar.... unless they changed something, it had been pre-defined that there would be 24 stages with two races on Saturday, the next championship would start in March 2024 (I'm not sure if this still holds) and the promise was to also hold the Chinese GP, which was absent from F1 for three years due to restrictions caused by the local government in response to the coronavirus pandemic, in addition to the rescheduling of some other stages such as those in Japan, Azerbaijan and Qatar from their traditional dates.
I'm Brazilian, and I also remember that the São Paulo GP is scheduled for the beginning of November Tongue

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Quote from: Koal-84 on December 06, 2023, 10:18:12 AM

If the Pramac team gets back the current specs like the factory team (in 2023, as you wrote, Pramac and the factory team had the same specs, I don't know about possible updates during the season, and all the other teams had 2022 specs), all the teams with the 2023 specs will probably get very competitive and tested bikes.

It will be very difficult for Marini, Honda did not achieve much with Marc in the last 2 years and development was probably the reason why Marc changed. Marini won't be able to have much influence on the development of the current Honda for next year, so hopefully Mir has done some good groundwork.

Yeah after Covid Honda had not invested so much in MotoGP.

An the sad part is that I don't think it will change soon this

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Quote from: Davian144 on December 06, 2023, 09:21:59 AM

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If the Pramac team gets back the current specs like the factory team (in 2023, as you wrote, Pramac and the factory team had the same specs, I don't know about possible updates during the season, and all the other teams had 2022 specs), all the teams with the 2023 specs will probably get very competitive and tested bikes.

It will be very difficult for Marini, Honda did not achieve much with Marc in the last 2 years and development was probably the reason why Marc changed. Marini won't be able to have much influence on the development of the current Honda for next year, so hopefully Mir has done some good groundwork.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on December 05, 2023, 04:10:59 AM

With the teams you mentioned, it will also be interesting to see which Ducati specification they get, even if the 2022 Ducati version will probably still be competitive, it will be interesting to see if a team gets the 2024 factory specification, but I don't think so.

If we look at the season that has finished, the Pramac Racing team got the same specification motorbike as the factory Ducati team, so there is a possibility that the Pramac Racing team for next season can get the same motorbike specs again as the factory Ducati motorbike. So of course this will be quite interesting considering that the Gp23 motorbike is also quite competitive and not bad for next season and this will also make the level of competition more competitive next season.

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The Rossi team have a very good rider pairing, as you wrote, and will also surprise or even win next season, Marini (even though he is Rossi's half-brother) was too weak for me and I'm curious to see how he does in the Honda factory team, if he doesn't make the breakthrough there his career after Honda will probably be over.

The Honda manufacturer is not included in the competitive teams in the season that has finished so it is very important for Marini to bring in and make new breakthroughs at the Honda manufacturer because Marquez's departure from Honda could certainly be quite a difficult blow for the Honda manufacturer. So Marini must be able to do something useful for Honda so that the Japanese manufacturer can return to a more competitive path next season. As for the Rossi team, I think it is quite suitable for the two riders who will be relied on next season because both of them will also ride Ducati motorbikes with not so many updates.

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Quote from: Distraction on November 30, 2023, 02:14:52 PM

The race calendar for 2024 season is already out! It looks like we will have more races next time. We had 22 races this season but this time there are 2 more. Of course it is still early to talk like all of these races will be held without problems. But hopefully we can watch as many races as possible next season.

It looks like a quite tight schedule at the end especially. The last 6 races are very close to each other and it would be quite tiring for teams and drivers. But for us the spectators it would be a feast! Grin

It will probably be another season dominated by Verstappen however I would like to watch some more progress by other top teams.

Believe it or not, I feel like it may not be this much domination from Max if you ask me. I am not saying that he will not be the title winner, in all likeliness he will be the winner unless some major problem happens but I think he did had a great all time greatest season thanks to not having any issues, and you do not have seasons like this all the time, like remember last season they had car breaking down even at the first race, or someone may hit him, it's all possible.

In the end, I think it's quite clear that Red Bull has the best car, but if someone else spent their entire time building upcoming seasons car, and Max has a few bad luck games, maybe this time the difference will be closer. Of course we are only talking about second team getting closer, not even winning but only getting closer.

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The source: https://twitter.com/F1/status/1732007141005750702

The sprint schedule in the 2024 calendar has also been determined! Apart from that the sprint format has also been changed again. From now on sprint events are going to be before qualifying session rather than the other way around. I believe this is definitely the right thing to do. Because it wasn't sensible to have qualifying session before and sprint in the middle of qualifying and race.

In the end qualifying results determine the grid right now. It is better to have it right before the race to help the drivers focus on it more.

If it was determined by sprint results like before then there wouldn't have been any need to change this.

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Quote from: moneystery on December 03, 2023, 04:15:04 AM

afaik from comments on youtube and from local sports news, the type of motorbike used by marc in yesterday's test was the ducati desmosedici gp24 which will be used by bagnaia next season. this type of motorbike is claimed to be faster, lighter and more powerful, which bagnaia really likes.

Maybe there is a mistake with this news because Marquez is on the Gresini Racing team, which incidentally always uses a motorbike that is a year older than the motorbike from the Ducati factory team itself. So what Marquez used during the test in Valencia was a Ducati Gp23 motorbike, which is likely the same motorbike used by Johan Zarco this season.

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compared to the gp22 that will be used by marc in the next season, it seems that marc will have a little difficulty seeing the excellent specifications of the gp24 that will be used by his opponent. but marc himself is confident in the motorbike he uses, considering that the gp22 was once used by bagnaia to win the world championship and with further tuning by the gresini team and marc's skills, it is not impossible that marc will become more competitive in the next season. .

There is indeed a possibility for Marquez to be competitive again next season on a Ducati motorbike, because the Gresini Racing team received a GP23 motorbike like the one used by the Pramac Racing team this season. Meanwhile, next season the factory team and Pramac Racing will get GP24 motorbikes for the four riders from these two teams. So this will certainly be quite interesting next season because there are many strong riders at Ducati and also in other factory teams who will try to be the best riders next season.

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Quote from: aylabadia05 on November 30, 2023, 11:55:39 AM

MotoGP line up for 2024 I am interested in two teams with different tandems. Firstly the Mooney VR46 Racing team and secondly the Gresini Racing team.
Fabio Di Giannantonio's move to the Mooney VR46 Racing team was a result of losing his place due to Mark Marquez who moved from Repsol Honda. I think Giannantonio will team up with Marco Bezzecchi in the 2024 season because I really like their racing style.

Then for the 2024 season race, the brother and sister duo of Alex Marquez and Marc Marquez in Gresini will be a spectacle of how lucky Marc Marquez is there.

With the teams you mentioned, it will also be interesting to see which Ducati specification they get, even if the 2022 Ducati version will probably still be competitive, it will be interesting to see if a team gets the 2024 factory specification, but I don't think so.

The Rossi team have a very good rider pairing, as you wrote, and will also surprise or even win next season, Marini (even though he is Rossi's half-brother) was too weak for me and I'm curious to see how he does in the Honda factory team, if he doesn't make the breakthrough there his career after Honda will probably be over.

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Leclerc is rumored to extend his contract soon with Ferrari.

They are talking about extending it to 2029.

This is a 5-years extension if it will be confirmed in the following days.

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Quote from: FanEagle on December 01, 2023, 03:19:04 AM

After F1 is done now, I think it's time to think about the teams and the drivers for those teams. I honestly believe that are 4 or 5 teams that are guaranteed to keep the drivers, rest may have some changes. Aston Martin may stay as long as Alonso agrees to stay, Mclaren has a great young duo, they are great, and Mercedes of course looks amazing, and ferrrari seems happy, these are it, maybe alpine too. Rest are a little unknown, specially the biggest one is Red Bull, will Perez be fired or not?

I think he should be sent away already, he doesn't really deserve that second place, he still got to end the season second place but he had so much trouble, Max deserves a friend who would do a lot better than Perez has done so far. I believe that Williams will look for someone else than Sergeant as well, it's sad that dudes start was a terrible Williams season, but if Albon did all that well, then he was expected to be a little bit better too, he was terrible.

Redbull with the same drivers and not with any firing going on,as long as Perez fulfills his duty to be second in the season and help Max wins Championships together with the constructors everything will be OK for him and I have not seen nor it is going any voice around in the net that Perez may be gets fired.

I think the most promising drivers are without a doubt the duo of McLaren and if they are given a better car which will be capable of winning races next season that would be awesome.

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Quote from: moneystery on December 03, 2023, 04:15:04 AM

afaik from comments on youtube and from local sports news, the type of motorbike used by marc in yesterday's test was the ducati desmosedici gp24 which will be used by bagnaia next season. this type of motorbike is claimed to be faster, lighter and more powerful, which bagnaia really likes.

If I understood correctly next year he will use the Ducato of this year from the team of Bagnaia.

Strange if they used Bagnaia's moto of the next year since he can use it only in 2025.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on December 02, 2023, 06:19:58 PM

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Yea also what Ducati he used?

I mean the next year they will use the 2023 Ducati, so idk if the test has been done with the 2022 version or the next one.

afaik from comments on youtube and from local sports news, the type of motorbike used by marc in yesterday's test was the ducati desmosedici gp24 which will be used by bagnaia next season. this type of motorbike is claimed to be faster, lighter and more powerful, which bagnaia really likes.

compared to the gp22 that will be used by marc in the next season, it seems that marc will have a little difficulty seeing the excellent specifications of the gp24 that will be used by his opponent. but marc himself is confident in the motorbike he uses, considering that the gp22 was once used by bagnaia to win the world championship and with further tuning by the gresini team and marc's skills, it is not impossible that marc will become more competitive in the next season. .

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Quote from: Koal-84 on November 30, 2023, 10:00:50 AM

Marc seemed to feel reasonably comfortable on the Ducati and was only 0.17 tenths behind the fastest Vilares on his Aprilia, but I wouldn't take the times too seriously now, as the Ducati factory team didn't go on a time hunt at all.

Yea also what Ducati he used?

I mean the next year they will use the 2023 Ducati, so idk if the test has been done with the 2022 version or the next one.

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Quote from: FanEagle on December 01, 2023, 03:19:04 AM

After F1 is done now, I think it's time to think about the teams and the drivers for those teams. I honestly believe that are 4 or 5 teams that are guaranteed to keep the drivers, rest may have some changes. Aston Martin may stay as long as Alonso agrees to stay, Mclaren has a great young duo, they are great, and Mercedes of course looks amazing, and ferrrari seems happy, these are it, maybe alpine too. Rest are a little unknown, specially the biggest one is Red Bull, will Perez be fired or not?

I think he should be sent away already, he doesn't really deserve that second place, he still got to end the season second place but he had so much trouble, Max deserves a friend who would do a lot better than Perez has done so far. I believe that Williams will look for someone else than Sergeant as well, it's sad that dudes start was a terrible Williams season, but if Albon did all that well, then he was expected to be a little bit better too, he was terrible.

Yes, Perez managed to finish this season by being runner up with Max, but he finished this season with drama, he has finished in bad places several times using the best F1 car. His identity crisis and public expectations that his performance was not as good as Max's became a burden for Checo and caused him to find himself in difficult positions several times.
It is true that Horner still wants Checo to race with the RBR Team, but don't ignore that Ricciardo is Marko's golden boy, so there is an opportunity for Checo to be replaced by Marko if he cannot meet his expectations.

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After F1 is done now, I think it's time to think about the teams and the drivers for those teams. I honestly believe that are 4 or 5 teams that are guaranteed to keep the drivers, rest may have some changes. Aston Martin may stay as long as Alonso agrees to stay, Mclaren has a great young duo, they are great, and Mercedes of course looks amazing, and ferrrari seems happy, these are it, maybe alpine too. Rest are a little unknown, specially the biggest one is Red Bull, will Perez be fired or not?

I think he should be sent away already, he doesn't really deserve that second place, he still got to end the season second place but he had so much trouble, Max deserves a friend who would do a lot better than Perez has done so far. I believe that Williams will look for someone else than Sergeant as well, it's sad that dudes start was a terrible Williams season, but if Albon did all that well, then he was expected to be a little bit better too, he was terrible.

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The source: https://twitter.com/F1/status/1676584214559444993

The race calendar for 2024 season is already out! It looks like we will have more races next time. We had 22 races this season but this time there are 2 more. Of course it is still early to talk like all of these races will be held without problems. But hopefully we can watch as many races as possible next season.

It looks like a quite tight schedule at the end especially. The last 6 races are very close to each other and it would be quite tiring for teams and drivers. But for us the spectators it would be a feast! Grin

It will probably be another season dominated by Verstappen however I would like to watch some more progress by other top teams.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on November 29, 2023, 07:01:39 AM

and yes it's a long time to the MotoGP start next year.

MotoGP line up for 2024 I am interested in two teams with different tandems. Firstly the Mooney VR46 Racing team and secondly the Gresini Racing team.
Fabio Di Giannantonio's move to the Mooney VR46 Racing team was a result of losing his place due to Mark Marquez who moved from Repsol Honda. I think Giannantonio will team up with Marco Bezzecchi in the 2024 season because I really like their racing style.

Then for the 2024 season race, the brother and sister duo of Alex Marquez and Marc Marquez in Gresini will be a spectacle of how lucky Marc Marquez is there.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on November 29, 2023, 05:04:45 PM

Marquez today tested the Ducati for the fist time and the comments on the news are "impressive".

I can't find the timers but he was very fast, very fast.

Maybe he will be a contender the next year after all.

Marc seemed to feel reasonably comfortable on the Ducati and was only 0.17 tenths behind the fastest Vilares on his Aprilia, but I wouldn't take the times too seriously now, as the Ducati factory team didn't go on a time hunt at all.

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1. Maverick Vinales (Aprilia) - 1:29.253 Minuten (86 Runden)
2. Brad Binder (KTM) +0,028 Sekunden (51)
3. Marco Bezzecchi (VR46-Ducati) +0,093 (62)
4. Marc Marquez (Gresini-Ducati) +0,171 (49)
5. Raul Fernandez (Aprilia) +0,263 (64)
6. Alex Marquez (Gresini-Ducati) +0,385 (56)
7. Fabio Di Giannantonio (VR46-Ducati) +0,409 (60)
8. Enea Bastianini (Ducati) +0,543 (56)
9. Jack Miller (KTM) +0,648 (62)
10. Luca Marini (Honda) +0,703 (72)
11. Francesco Bagnaia (Ducati) +0,717 (51)
12. Fabio Quartararo (Yamaha) +0,769 (63)
13. Joan Mir (Honda) +0,798 (69)
14. Augusto Fernandez (GasGas) +0,824 (72)
15. Jorge Martin (Pramac-Ducati) +0,899 (51)
16. Franco Morbidelli (Pramac-Ducati) +0,953 (69)
17. Johann Zarco (LCR-Honda) +1,030 (61)
18. Pedro Acosta (GasGas) +1,223 (70)
19. Alex Rins (Yamaha) +1,311 (54)
20. Cal Crutchlow (Yamaha) +1,512 (74)
21. Takaaki Nakagami (LCR-Honda) +1,723 (63)
22. Aleix Espargaro (Aprilia) +3,059 (17)
23. Lorenzo Savadori (Aprilia) +3,431 (27)

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Quote from: swogerino on November 29, 2023, 05:19:59 AM

Bagnaia did exceptionally well to achieve that in the last race,even in Italy they are showing him as a World Champion already in the publicity they make for TIM-Telecom Italia.Martin I think had made his choice the moment he signed a contract with Honda and most likely his head is already there,if Honda builds a great bike he would have the honor to ride it and become World Champion with a Honda bike,something he did not achieve with the Ducatti team he is racing so far.

One thing is sure without racing until March it will be a very boring period.

Martin will still race with Pramac Racing next season and the seat at factory Honda next season has been taken by Marini who moved from Mooney VR46, so Martin will still race for the same team next season with the Ducati GP24 motorbike, which is the same motorbike as motorbike on the factory Ducati team. It looks like the December to March period won't be so boring because we can watch pre-season tests and motorbike development from all manufacturers.

Quote from: Koal-84 on November 29, 2023, 07:01:39 AM

When have Martin signed a contract with Honda, Marini switch to Honda? Next year's driver pairings will be as follows.

and yes it's a long time to the MotoGP start next year.

Maybe what @swogerino meant was Marini, not Martin because as can be seen in the list you shared, it is also very clear that it was Marini who was on the Honda after rumors went viral before the last round of the title season. I am waiting for better developments at the two Japanese manufacturers for next season because both of them have also been given concessions by Dorna for next season. So that Honda and Yamaha can have more freedom in developing their engines.

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