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April 11, 2014, 08:23:35 PM
Possibly because they believe that the Japanese authorities won't consider bitcoins to be assets of MtGox at all, so won't appear on the balance sheet as a liability?

That has always seemed like a very likely outcome to me.


Not that. Re-read:

"Creditors will have two options. They can either receive a prorated amount from the 200,000 bitcoins recovered by Mt. Gox"

What you are quoting in no way precludes what I was suggesting. Just because NewMtGox is willing to consider someone a creditor doesn't mean that the government does when/if they liquidate the OldMtGox. NewMtGox may not have a choice about fiat creditors, and may have to pay them back 100% first and as far as possible, but may have a choice about bitcoin creditors.

After all, exchanges exist right now in countries that do not consider bitcoins to be worth anything. That is an example of the service considering their users to be creditors even when the law doesn't.

Realistically any NewMtGox would have to make some effort to pay their previous customers back if they are to have any chance to succeed as a company.

Either way I don't think we have enough information to be sure. That is just the way I feel it is going to go (and with no credible takeover attempt appearing).
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April 11, 2014, 08:12:09 PM
how can they " assume all of Mt. Gox’s liabilities and obligations.",

and say that the creditors willl get back a prorated amount ?

Paying the creditors is the first liabilitie isn't it ?

Possibly because they believe that the Japanese authorities won't consider bitcoins to be assets of MtGox at all, so won't appear on the balance sheet as a liability?

That has always seemed like a very likely outcome to me.


Not that. Re-read:

"Creditors will have two options. They can either receive a prorated amount from the 200,000 bitcoins recovered by Mt. Gox"
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April 11, 2014, 08:07:07 PM
how can they " assume all of Mt. Gox’s liabilities and obligations.",

and say that the creditors willl get back a prorated amount ?

Paying the creditors is the first liabilitie isn't it ?

Possibly because they believe that the Japanese authorities won't consider bitcoins to be assets of MtGox at all, so won't appear on the balance sheet as a liability?

That has always seemed like a very likely outcome to me.
sr. member
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April 11, 2014, 03:49:27 PM
I believe them.
They just want to draw 1 (ONE) bitcoin from they pockets. They want to pay creditors with exchange incomes.

Best regards,
ilpirata79
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April 11, 2014, 03:42:31 PM
http://www.coindesk.com/investor-group-offers-buy-mt-gox-one-bitcoin/

“Creditors will have two options. They can either receive a prorated amount from the 200,000 bitcoins recovered by Mt. Gox equal to roughly 20 percent of their claim, or obtain an equity stake of that amount in the revitalized Mt. Gox exchange. The investor group pledged to set aside 50% of transaction fees to pay back creditors over time.”

So, I either take a 80% haircut or I get own one share of stock instead of five. How is this any better than liquidation? Also, my rate of return is 50% of what's optimal.

The best way forward is if creditors get together to take over Gox to run a community exchange. The MtGox Recovery Initiative (http://www.mtgoxrecovery.com/) needs 50% of creditors to back this; we currently have about 40%. Please sign up if you haven't already.
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April 11, 2014, 01:04:54 AM
It's a joke,

how can they " assume all of Mt. Gox’s liabilities and obligations.",

and say that the creditors willl get back a prorated amount ?

Paying the creditors is the first liabilitie isn't it ?

Then the exchange to obtain equity is quite a joke too, as you don't know the value of total equity, and so neither wich prorata you will get...

These guys may be even worst then Mark K. incompetency, they are vultures ...

newbie
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April 10, 2014, 10:12:30 PM
200K BTC are 25, not 20% of the total around 800K BTC to start with.

So that must be a joke. ;-P
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April 10, 2014, 10:00:30 PM
http://www.coindesk.com/investor-group-offers-buy-mt-gox-one-bitcoin/


"A group of investors has offered to buy bankrupt Japan-based bitcoin exchange Mt. Gox, as part of a bid that will require the approval of its Japanese bankruptcy court. (...)

The Wall Street Journal reported that the investor group would assume all of Mt. Gox’s liabilities and obligations. (...)

Creditors will have two options. They can either receive a prorated amount from the 200,000 bitcoins recovered by Mt. Gox equal to roughly 20 percent of their claim, or obtain an equity stake of that amount in the revitalized Mt. Gox exchange.

The investor group pledged to set aside 50% of transaction fees to pay back creditors over time."


That's interesting although I am not sure how likely this could happen. Under this scenario, I wonder what happens to people who have fiat at Gox, will they get 0%, 20% or 100%?
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American1973
April 10, 2014, 03:35:16 AM
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http://www.zdnet.com/nab-severs-ties-with-risky-bitcoin-vendors-7000028279/#ftag=RSS14dc6a9

[...]

NAB has never banked or traded in digital currencies, but has provided banking services to companies who do.

Confirming the move, a spokesman said: "NAB continually reviews its risk profile and the businesses we bank, ensuring NAB's activities are in the best interest of our customers and our shareholders."

The decision follows recent moves by the Bank of Ireland and the Bank of Montreal to distance themselves from customers who trade in digital currencies.

It also comes a month after Japanese bank Mizhuo was named in US and Canadian lawsuits brought against the bankrupt Mt Gox exchange, to whom it provided banking services.

Mt Gox, the world's biggest exchange, announced in February it had been robbed of all its Bitcoins in a massive cyber attack.


One of Australia's largest Bitcoin traders, CoinJar, which uses NAB to take deposits from clients, said in a blog post it was disappointed with the decision, adding it would affect many other companies.


..."News" people and the public, continue to be fobswaggled.  "News" at 11.

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keyword: massive cyber
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April 08, 2014, 09:40:09 AM

maybe based on the fact that "processing withdrawals" implies that 100% of the funds arrive at someones BTC address or bank account?

That won't happen!
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April 07, 2014, 10:06:39 AM
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The name Hitler is very popular too haha. I'd say the Gox name has a tarnished rep now. I don't really think it'd be a good idea re-open under that brand.

Rofl great analogy. But the fact is, most people associate the disaster with the CEO and not the brand. Mark might be literally hitler, but gox is not.

But we will see. If they will be liquidated, the trademark and domain will be sold, and i bet my ass a new Mtgox will be opend within weeks of liquidation.
Hitler, Nazis ... Karpeles, MtGox

More like

Hitler<>Germans
Karpeles<>MtGox

But looks like I am the only one, that doesn't associate any emotions with a company (legal entity) but rather with the staff/owners
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April 07, 2014, 09:05:48 AM
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The name Hitler is very popular too haha. I'd say the Gox name has a tarnished rep now. I don't really think it'd be a good idea re-open under that brand.

Rofl great analogy. But the fact is, most people associate the disaster with the CEO and not the brand. Mark might be literally hitler, but gox is not.

But we will see. If they will be liquidated, the trademark and domain will be sold, and i bet my ass a new Mtgox will be opend within weeks of liquidation.
Hitler, Nazis ... Karpeles, MtGox
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legendary
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April 07, 2014, 08:43:00 AM

no
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April 07, 2014, 08:38:20 AM
On-Topic: Will the MtGox Withdrawals ever be completed?  Huh
legendary
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April 03, 2014, 10:56:03 AM
anyone who actually uses gox if they do become resurrect, want their heads read.
anyone who used it after its first "delay" problems did.
And got it.


If people actually still used gox after this then I don't even know what to say. It blew my mind that people were using it for the last 5 months.

I wouldn't say that. If they clearly distance themselve from all personell and start fresh with a completely new and safe software and provable nonfractional reserve. I would use them then!

Then why would they want to tar themselves with the name?

well for example because the name is very popular, also they bought a very expensive 3 digits domain. Gox.com

The name Hitler is very popular too haha. I'd say the Gox name has a tarnished rep now. I don't really think it'd be a good idea re-open under that brand.

Rofl great analogy. But the fact is, most people associate the disaster with the CEO and not the brand. Mark might be literally hitler, but gox is not.

But we will see. If they will be liquidated, the trademark and domain will be sold, and i bet my ass a new Mtgox will be opend within weeks of liquidation.
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April 03, 2014, 10:49:08 AM
anyone who actually uses gox if they do become resurrect, want their heads read.
anyone who used it after its first "delay" problems did.
And got it.


If people actually still used gox after this then I don't even know what to say. It blew my mind that people were using it for the last 5 months.

I wouldn't say that. If they clearly distance themselve from all personell and start fresh with a completely new and safe software and provable nonfractional reserve. I would use them then!

Then why would they want to tar themselves with the name?

well for example because the name is very popular, also they bought a very expensive 3 digits domain. Gox.com

The name Hitler is very popular too haha. I'd say the Gox name has a tarnished rep now. I don't really think it'd be a good idea re-open under that brand.
legendary
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April 03, 2014, 10:46:20 AM
anyone who actually uses gox if they do become resurrect, want their heads read.
anyone who used it after its first "delay" problems did.
And got it.


If people actually still used gox after this then I don't even know what to say. It blew my mind that people were using it for the last 5 months.

I wouldn't say that. If they clearly distance themselve from all personell and start fresh with a completely new and safe software and provable nonfractional reserve. I would use them then!

Then why would they want to tar themselves with the name?

well for example because the name is very popular, also they bought a very expensive 3 digits domain. Gox.com
legendary
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April 03, 2014, 10:22:27 AM
anyone who actually uses gox if they do become resurrect, want their heads read.
anyone who used it after its first "delay" problems did.
And got it.


If people actually still used gox after this then I don't even know what to say. It blew my mind that people were using it for the last 5 months.

I wouldn't say that. If they clearly distance themselve from all personell and start fresh with a completely new and safe software and provable nonfractional reserve. I would use them then!

Then why would they want to tar themselves with the name?
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