Topic: MtGox withdrawal delays [Gathering] - page 64. (Read 908602 times)

Actually the last few pages have been full of crap about other exchanges ... so not on topic.

Suggest title of thread change to MtGox Largest Theft in History [Gathering]

Will that make you happy?  Because, from what I can see, this thread is right on topic and at 300 pages, is nothing compared to some other great threades on Ye Internetes.  So, offer what you got but if it's complaints about the thread, personally I'm not listening.  This thread is great.

Please stop posting offtopic!
Seriously, you should understand that people who had non-empty accounts on Gox are eager to read any kind of news about Gox. They don't want to open a Gox thread with unread posts and find irrelevant informations about small issues with another, unrelated exchanges.

Its not wrong if you had full month notice to withdraw it without being verified and aside if you somehow missed to see it, they would also allow to get funds back without i.d. to your bank account.
That change was not over night like you lohoris want to show. Users had a month period. And even after that somebody still would not want to submit the id, bitstamp would transfer the funds to bank account and closed user account.why? Because that is a policy for termination in their terms and if user stop to acknowledge (new) policy or terms. Do you suggest that bitstamp should make exception to one and only member on this forum who bitch and moan because he did not visited bitstamp for a month and does not read tos?
I really dont see a problem....only trolls and baseless bashing.

Asking for an ID is perfectly fine.
Accepting your funds without an ID and then asking for an ID, after you deposited, to let you withdraw... is a completely different matter.

Indeed we see that those exchanges who ask for documents, should get their ass handed to them if they fumble those docs.  Fiduciary responsibility means what?  Or at least, it should.

Exchanges, traditionally, are vectors of far more crime, then honesty.  I mean, Jesus had to bust one up with full force, and even then, he didn't affect the money system of Earth, it is still fiat debt based on wars. 

But you are so right to point out that the people who claim responsible positions, need to carefully protect whatever info they intake from the public. If you cannot keep data secure, well, frankly, you should have known you were too stupid to ask for it in the first place.  That is how I feel.  I would never ask for people's data if I knew it would be pilfered.  At the end, only creditability and integrity will matter.

Huge difference between one person's documents in your pocket and a million documents on a web site. The latter is a huge target for hackers.

"the [MtGox] hacker also have access to a 20GB data dump of customer data along with passport scans"

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5485610

Uploading your personal data to any web site is inherently dangerous and should only be done with great caution and only when absolutely necessary. I never uploaded my documents to MtGox (thankfully) and stopped using the site when they started requiring them, for exactly this reason. I had no legal concerns whatsoever about the source of funds in my MtGox accounts at all (they were all solo mined coins) but I did not trust them with my personal information.

this was not a border bust - this was a DEA (drug) bust.

When we live in a culture we strange other cultures, isn't it?

I never understood why people gets upset when an exchange asks your ID. This is because in my country , within UE, i can be arrested (for a couple of hours) only because i don't carry my ID documents (nationality and driver license) when i'm on public places (streets, sidewalks, etc). If an officer stops me and asks for my ID i have to show him my documents. It's simple as that...

Bitcoin is peer2peer, but when you exchange it for fiat then is not anymore as you holding a fiat what is regulated and this is a exchange and not a bitcoin wallet.. And you can still get your funds back via bank without submitting ID. Just make sure its your bank account, that is all.
Afterall, what is hard to understand? Exchange need to cover they asses when dealing with convencional currency - bank require it.
Only one who bitch are ones who do not want to submit their documents and want to get back as it was. Sorry, no can do anymore. If I run exchange I would denie them a service as well.

I used Bitstamp for about a year, then stopped.

So obviously I did not login to my account. When I did, I was surprised to find I could not deposit.

I don't know why people think that people who are bit annoyed are odd, especially if they had funds there. Not everyone lives on the exchange.

The whole point of bitcoin was the "peer-to-peer" thing. Now it seems like it is becoming regulated by stealth.

It may make things safer, though. So I guess it is a good thing, and one less challenge to navigate at the End of History.

You'll be in big trouble if you doing same. US boarder will turn your laugage inside out plus strip search including poke into you asses as if you are a suspect of something... If they could, lock you in a room for hours before someone come in interogate you like a terrorist being caught. Expect the unexpected, a guy been locked in a room for days force to drink his own urine to survive. The boarder custom officers go unpunished.

Iam sure bitstamp and majority of users does not think they been deceptive. Annonement of aml policy were been on their site and on deposit/withdraw section for a whole month before they started to use it.
Bitstamp does not communicate via email for numerous reason - mostly phishing, fud, price manipulation etc and I think its smart move. (read TOS email section) Official statemants are considered on bitstamp site only and if user continue to use thir sevice it mean they accepted it.
If it happen of some user after annoncement being active and refused to submit ID, they would get their funds back via bank. If one of user find it fishy, so be it. Its users fault of not visiting an exchange for more then a month or not to read thir terms of service and continue to blame it.
As for this guy calling something as API "bug" as we have no way of confirming it, I would refrain of commenting it. That member just want not to be veiried and posted a lot of false claims. He can still get his fund via bank account so I believe his posting as pure FUD! He trusted them with holding his coins and fiat, but he do not trust them to send his scan of ID? What a nosense!
I see only a couple who dont even have account on bitstamp! Again, do not use bitstamp if you diagree on their tos, period.
Finally, I see posters somehow find reliable some forum members on forum rather then get true facts on them own. All that nosense about how they announced only with facebook or did not get any notification on their site is been refutted many times. If not this, then is that - trolling never stop!
Iam not saying bitstamp are perfect or that there is no room of improvement, but regarding their aml policy and notification they did everithinh by the book and their terms. It would be absurd if bitstamp would do something outside of theirown policy!
If one or two users need some special notifications to be sent or holding the hand while the rest have not issues, what you expect bitstamp to do? Its ridicolous, this poster did not read the terms and continue to blame on bitstamp for his own fault!
This thread is about mtgox withdraw problems and pretty much dead as mtgox situation. so I suggest if you still want to bash bitstamp for whatever reason, start a new thread.

I mostly pay attention to people who had first-hand experience:

  https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/solved-how-to-get-btc-out-of-a-bitstamp-account-without-verifying-309270

I happened to be on the hunt for a trustworthy exchange when this went down so I was paying particular attention to the details of how different operators ran their operations.  Suffice it to say, I was unimpressed in this case.

I think it is entirely fair to say that Bitstamp choose a strategy which can only be considered deceptive when they rolled in this new policy.  I can, however, understand if they were overloaded and not able to properly implement a manual override to allow people to get their BTC back without sacrificing their high quality ID scans.  Even if so it would still be their own damn fault.  Had they simply sent an e-mail this guy would not have had to discover their API bug to retrieve his BTC.  (And this bug in and of itself, while welcome, was not exactly great advertising on how tightly the run their ship.)

Lohoris, keep trolling, you lost argument long time ago. This is a notice for unverified user on bitstamp deposit page! Same warning is for bitcoin deposit!
Just stop, its pathetic and getting nowhere!
Go figure facts first before making bs claims!

All users need to be aml verified in order to use bitstamp exchange! No deposit accepted, period. If any user before october 2013. had funds when they started to enforce that policy, and user refused to get verified, bitstamp would retunr thier funds according to termination section in terms of service!
If you do not like it, do not use it, end of story!




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Much true, glad you pointed that out.
So we have two serious offences: no real warning sent, and different rules for deposit and withdraw.

How do you "try" to close an account aside from just buying BTC and withdrawing?

I did it after their Two Week bullshit and never looked back. So far so good.

There is so much unspoken in this world.  Indeed I hear you.

I guess I am saying, each nation will police its own citizens as it will.  And, those that police their citizens the free-est, the best, are the first world nations?  Is that true?  I think for the most part it is, but then I was born into luxury, because, I was born an American, LOL.  A penniless American but one who knows the value of freedom.

Heh. I remember going over from Czech to Germany in the 90's. Nice friendly border guards, no problem.

Took the train back to Prague and stopped in Cheb, which was apparently the border town. I was reading a magazine and heard to my left:

MNMNWEEWKJHQWI

Which I quietly ignored. Then

NMFMNJTJTWHJJKHTEJK WTJHWTEJKHT

Still reading.

Then I felt a gentle tap on my side, right between the ribs. Gentle. Turned and saw a camo dressed man with a Kalashnikov barrel pressed gently against my side.

MNMNWEEWKJHQWI

Which I instantly translated as "Your passport, please" even though I spoke minimal Czech.

Not sure if the US border guards have gotten this odd yet.

I think the Goxxies of all nations (truly a United Nation of merit, the Goxxed) have a beef here, in tems of their being early adopters and early vicitms.

The target ostensibly is "black markets" like SR.  I mean, really, do you want babies being sold?  But then, we don't really value babies, or perhaps we do, since a baby is worth x# of USD fiat?  Well, a mother has the right to monetize her fetus, perhaps?  It is a deep question, one for the Pope him self to "tweet" an answer.

Haha, I am so trolling this thread but I think my efforts have been noble: I was here as th Goxxies were getting f'ed and sturle and crew told them how to profit.  Those pages were great, Donk4u was also great as this was all happening.  Epic thread here.

Cryptocoin is essentially the new system.  But, new system of what?  Can cryptocoin free people from roadside checkpoints?  Probably not.  But, GUTS CAN.  And yet, if you have guts, how would you prove it?  I say guts is proven by calling bullshit in the face of bullshit.  And Gox keeping the deposit window open was pure theft --unless they were puppeted by law-cadre who is pursuing "black markets"

I don't like black markets per se, nor did Solomon or any King who letteth the merchants and donkey caravans into his lands.  But, to steal all the people's money of diverse lands in the name of righteousness, is, well, unrighteous imo.