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Topic: ██[MZC] MazaCoin - National Currency - now @ RussiaToday, Independent, Telegraph - page 55. (Read 167545 times)

legendary
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Protip, no Icelanders or Indians will utilize these coins on a massive level.  Play the charts and have fun fellas!


Neither will they use Bitcoin. Might as well sell all your crypto now and trade magic cards.
legendary
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Protip, no Icelanders or Indians will utilize these coins on a massive level.  Play the charts and have fun fellas!
member
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Sold at 5700 since I knew this was trending downward. Standard protocol with new coins on cryptsy. Might pick some up again if it dips down to 1000.

I'm starting to wonder how trustworthy some unseen guy named "AnonymousPirate" is. Where did this guy Payu Harris come from all of a sudden? The toughest part about maza is that it could equally be a huge pump and dump scam or it could be a real effort to legitimize cryptocurrencies. It's very difficult to tell at this point.

I keep seeing lots of retweets about Maza, including some from the infamous Max Keiser. It's hard to imagine such a vocal figure as Payu doing all this networking about mazacoin just to shill it.

I have never been so on the fence about a coin before. At this point in this game it's hard to tell which coins are legit and which are just blatant pump and dumps. Ultimately I find it hard to believe that a three-person team would commit to all this effort just for their new currency to get listed on mintpal, hit its peak, then peak again on cryptsy and die immediately afterward.

I know we've had 140 pages of discussion, which is phenomenal considering the age of this coin, but I want to know all of your thoughts right now. Is MazaCoin a legitimate effort or is it just an elaborate pump and dump scheme? Only time will tell.

AnonymousPirate certainly had grandiose ideas when I talked to him. Whether or not he was talking about of his ass remains to be seen. He unloaded a ton of information on me in that chat. There are things that throw up red flags for me, but there other things that don't. I don't know what to think anymore, really. I'm just as much on the fence as you are. Not a good place to be.

Yeah, I'm with you on being confused about the late happenings and news around the coin. Some timings seems suspicious, and some news and reports on the other hand gives some confidence.


Here's some bits that I've managed to write down:
// Videos by IGM Pro (http://www.igmpro.com/, whois: igmpro.com has been registered on 07/04/2013.):
- https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10201764482740039&set=vb.176365605713234&type=3&theater "This is a two min over of the 2013 Black Hills duck race for the Miracle Network of the black Hills of South Dakota."
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGR3in8iOoc "BTC Oyate Project"
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzjZ_SFGPsM "Maza Coin Project Founder Payu Harris talking with Hanni Chaffi about the future of Dream Designs acceptance of Bitcoin and the upcoming Mazacoin crypto currencies" (Not too much information regarding the man interviewed nor the company though?)
- Company from 2013, seems like a project/company with community ties?
- Duck race also seems to be a yearly community event: http://www.regionalhealth.com/Ways-to-Give/RCRH-Foundation/Giving-Programs/Duck-Race.aspx

// Active community news site report on MazaCoin: http://madvilletimes.com/2014/03/pine-ridge-activist-promotes-bitcoin-spin-off-as-official-lakota-currency/
- Not too good of an impression by the local people? Or just ignorance by the writer? (he seems somewhat misinformed on the idea too?)

// WSJ article: "CORRECTION: An earlier version of this post said mazacoin had been adopted as the Lakota currency. It has not been officially endorsed by the council." http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/03/07/lakota-indian-promotes-new-digital-currency-mazacoin/
- Something to do with the cases of already previously mentioned trouble with FBI? (mentioned in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tyb0LVgW8q8 "Keiser Report: Guest Payu Harris on native American Indians using Bitcoin (23Jan14)")

// BTC Oyate Projects pages not reachable (http://www.btcoyateproject.cf/)
- Domain name seems to have expired some days ago

// Quote from older thread (here): "I have already had meetings with our He Sapa Oyate Council and they gave me the go ahead as long it will help the community."
- References to this community/council from an non-profit organization QEM from many years back (http://www.qem.org/)
*edit: - Another reference to the council, but on expired domain (snapshot from 26 feb. 2014): http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:eolQRDus0wUJ:www.hesapareparationsalliance.org/HeSapaReparationsAlliance/3-30-13.html+&cd=9&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=fi&client=opera
legendary
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BTC
Been busting my balls off trying to open peoples minds and stop them over reacting!

I never got a clapping black dude! shiyt.


I watched this movie on tv a few weeks ago. It was bizarre lol
  on a lighter note tell  jrich76 he can sleep now i saw maza coin just jump up 2.86% equal pumps is done his pump for friday  Grin
sr. member
Activity: 574
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Been busting my balls off trying to open peoples minds and stop them over reacting!

I never got a clapping black dude! shiyt.


I watched this movie on tv a few weeks ago. It was bizarre lol
full member
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This coin will be huge no doubt and many are excited to see its potential. That WSJ article is great news and publicity. Payu has done a great outstanding job on this development and putting himself out there. Don't kick yourselves in the ass by selling low, you're only missing out and will eventually regret it I can guarantee that.
legendary
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Yeah, I guess I deserved that.
sr. member
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Been busting my balls off trying to open peoples minds and stop them over reacting!

I never got a clapping black dude! shiyt.
legendary
Activity: 801
Merit: 1000
Been busting my balls off trying to open peoples minds and stop them over reacting!

I never got a clapping black dude! shiyt.
legendary
Activity: 1246
Merit: 1000
It has now become crystal clear that the tribal chiefs to not endorse Mazacoin and that Payu went rogue and did this on his own. Wall Street Journal edited their article with this new information. http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/03/07/lakota-indian-promotes-new-digital-currency-mazacoin/
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CORRECTION: An earlier version of this post said mazacoin had been adopted as the Lakota currency. It has not been officially endorsed by the council.


So one would ask why would mazacoin.org website list this false information?

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"MazaCoin is the Official National Currency of the Traditional Lakota Nation."

since this clearly is not "official" in any way shape or form.

Since we're all cynical now, let me be even more cynical. Does it really matter at this point? I keep seeing twitter retweets from people, mostly non-crypto people tweeting out the WSJ article. It has great international play and most people read headlines, not meat of the story. Also How many crypto users here are lazy and don't read more than 2 pages on a coin thread?

Whatever the truth is, the myth has been created, you'd be surprised how little people research or read between the lines, and let's be honest what great business venture wasn't started with a little bit of bullshit on top (like Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer lying to IBM they had DOS ready to go when they actually had to scramble to buy someone else's source code for example).

I think a lot of people have invested so much money in it already and whales have been playing so many games the last 36 hours, there is at the least another epic pump coming in so plenty of time to get out, and who knows the myth may endure and excel it to such heights the Lakota chiefs will have no choice but to go along with it once Payu Clause starts handing out fat stacks of paper wallets to their people.

legendary
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It has now become crystal clear that the tribal chiefs to not endorse Mazacoin and that Payu went rogue and did this on his own. Wall Street Journal edited their article with this new information. http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/03/07/lakota-indian-promotes-new-digital-currency-mazacoin/
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CORRECTION: An earlier version of this post said mazacoin had been adopted as the Lakota currency. It has not been officially endorsed by the council.


So one would ask why would mazacoin.org website list this false information?

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"MazaCoin is the Official National Currency of the Traditional Lakota Nation."

since this clearly is not "official" in any way shape or form.

Maybe the council said yes and changed their minds. Maybe the council is needlessly complicated like they typically are and one group says yes but another says no afterwards. Maybe he thinks the council is useless and corrupt and has gone rogue for the greater good for a lack of a better term. We'll know tomorrow from investigations and probably explanations on twitter.

Maybe this is all play on words endlessly. It can be backed and supported by the council but not "officially endorsed"... but considering the FBI rang them up and told them off about the idea maybe its best for them to take distance and let him unleash this decentralized currency for them.
sr. member
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Yea...I've got a few thousand maza and want it take off...but that is sketchy.
sr. member
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It has now become crystal clear that the tribal chiefs to not endorse Mazacoin and that Payu went rogue and did this on his own. Wall Street Journal edited their article with this new information. http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/03/07/lakota-indian-promotes-new-digital-currency-mazacoin/
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CORRECTION: An earlier version of this post said mazacoin had been adopted as the Lakota currency. It has not been officially endorsed by the council.


So one would ask why would mazacoin.org website list this false information?

Quote
"MazaCoin is the Official National Currency of the Traditional Lakota Nation."

since this clearly is not "official" in any way shape or form.
legendary
Activity: 801
Merit: 1000
Is mazacoin still a good investment?
Active devs stated intended value for this coin is $0.25 -1.00 short term.

This too, if it all works out for them.
I do believe Payu was selling the coins face to face (paper i thinks) to people at conventions for $0.10 a coin, im guessing was something to garner support etc
legendary
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Is mazacoin still a good investment?

Could be in the long run, only in the short term with whales on the roam.
The coin is in a lot of question right now, but most coins get this "is it a scam" workover and it can be easy to read into simple things like inactive tweeting as a bad sign instead of something more obvious, I've been in the exact state of panic there for twitter to realise the hev (forget the coin forgive me) just flipping went to bed when a lot of fire kicked off.
I see a lot of differences in this coin, mainly, this payu putting himself out there in the public arena, as well as obviously attending all sorts of meetings across America.
hero member
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This is who we are.
Is mazacoin still a good investment?
Active devs stated intended value for this coin is $0.25 -1.00 short term.
newbie
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Is mazacoin still a good investment?
legendary
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Maybe anonymous pirate IS Bryan Brewer! >.<

Hardly the statements a nation's president would make:

https://twitter.com/CryptoDirect/status/441664811374768128

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CryptoDirect ‏@CryptoDirect

@maxkeiser Let that stupid bitch show up at my door. She won't have to worry about cops, she'll be dealing with my big dog & bigger shotgun.



How to not get sarcasm: by Herp.

These comments were made by @CryptoDirect (aka pirate in that chat) https://twitter.com/CryptoDirect/status/441664811374768128

Hardly comments worthy of someone leading development for such project.

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Let that stupid bitch show up at my door. She won't have to worry about cops, she'll be dealing with my big dog & bigger shotgun.
Yeah, they were directed at that journalist who unmasked "Dorian Nakamoto" but still? Stupid and irresponsible.

I guess you don't read what many people even in full public view say sometimes. This guy is obviously a far cry from presidency but then again hes a techy dev on the coin, I'm glad he has a personality and is actually posting on his twitter. If you judge a coin by what language the backroom devs post go right ahead, it's the devs and cryptos with no personality that you want to watch out for.

I know what you mean but people are watching and such words reflect negatively on the whole project. He should pick his words more carefully, especially if he wants to see the project succeed. This is not the way to go. It delegitimizes and undermines the project and so is crazy talk about Payu replacing the current Lakota president.  

Maybe he's just an overexcitable guy and gets carried away exaggerating things, I can imagine this Payu fella "running for president".

I'm happier to see him "careless" about people possibly seeing this as a scam because if it isn't, it doesn't matter in the long run.
Where as if this WAS a scam, it would be all in their best interests to come across as rosey and perfect as possible until cashout.

Always two sides to the coin
sr. member
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Maybe anonymous pirate IS Bryan Brewer! >.<

Hardly the statements a nation's president would make:

https://twitter.com/CryptoDirect/status/441664811374768128

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CryptoDirect ‏@CryptoDirect

@maxkeiser Let that stupid bitch show up at my door. She won't have to worry about cops, she'll be dealing with my big dog & bigger shotgun.



How to not get sarcasm: by Herp.

These comments were made by @CryptoDirect (aka pirate in that chat) https://twitter.com/CryptoDirect/status/441664811374768128

Hardly comments worthy of someone leading development for such project.

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Let that stupid bitch show up at my door. She won't have to worry about cops, she'll be dealing with my big dog & bigger shotgun.
Yeah, they were directed at that journalist who unmasked "Dorian Nakamoto" but still? Stupid and irresponsible.

I guess you don't read what many people even in full public view say sometimes. This guy is obviously a far cry from presidency but then again hes a techy dev on the coin, I'm glad he has a personality and is actually posting on his twitter. If you judge a coin by what language the backroom devs post go right ahead, it's the devs and cryptos with no personality that you want to watch out for.

I know what you mean but people are watching and such words reflect negatively on the whole project. He should pick his words more carefully, especially if he wants to see the project succeed. This is not the way to go. It delegitimizes and undermines the project and so is crazy talk about Payu replacing the current Lakota president.  
legendary
Activity: 801
Merit: 1000
Sold at 5700 since I knew this was trending downward. Standard protocol with new coins on cryptsy. Might pick some up again if it dips down to 1000.

I'm starting to wonder how trustworthy some unseen guy named "AnonymousPirate" is. Where did this guy Payu Harris come from all of a sudden? The toughest part about maza is that it could equally be a huge pump and dump scam or it could be a real effort to legitimize cryptocurrencies. It's very difficult to tell at this point.

I keep seeing lots of retweets about Maza, including some from the infamous Max Keiser. It's hard to imagine such a vocal figure as Payu doing all this networking about mazacoin just to shill it.

I have never been so on the fence about a coin before. At this point in this game it's hard to tell which coins are legit and which are just blatant pump and dumps. Ultimately I find it hard to believe that a three-person team would commit to all this effort just for their new currency to get listed on mintpal, hit its peak, then peak again on cryptsy and die immediately afterward.

I know we've had 140 pages of discussion, which is phenomenal considering the age of this coin, but I want to know all of your thoughts right now. Is MazaCoin a legitimate effort or is it just an elaborate pump and dump scheme? Only time will tell.

AnonymousPirate certainly had grandiose ideas when I talked to him. Whether or not he was talking about of his ass remains to be seen. He unloaded a ton of information on me in that chat. There are things that throw up red flags for me, but there other things that don't. I don't know what to think anymore, really. I'm just as much on the fence as you are. Not a good place to be.

So you were in the guy in this chat? neuroMode?

I agree the bold claims are all over the place and the one about Payu becoming the Lakota Nation president takes the cake. It does raise some red flags unfortunately.



Yes, that was me in the chat. I'm not sure what to think about all those bold claims. In the moment you just have to say "wow!" but ever since this latest controversy about the Lakota people being out of the blue about all of this, @Mazacoin "suddenly" disappeared and stopped tweeting and replying to people confronting him about the article.

Yeah, both @mazacoin and @CryptoDirect (the pirate) stopped all tweets few hours ago when the news about them not being supported by the tribe officials was released. Not a good sign.

Believe the article was out before they stopped posting, and besides, people go to sleep and spend time doing other things sometimes
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