📈 NastyFans: The Bitcoin Enthusiast Fan Club (est. 2012) - page 177.

nonnakip

hero member

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Distribution 216161 is out. I am happy to see micro donations again. Thank you for your donations!

Still very little members are publishing seat and identity information. I recommend strongly that members publish this information. It is for your security.

Also it is important that members download the last list and signatures. If nastyfans.org/.bit disappear you need to have the list and signatures ready. They are publicly available. A simple automatic script can handle it. For example:

Code:

wget --no-check-certificate https://nastyfans.org/distribution.last.csv
wget --no-check-certificate https://nastyfans.org/distribution.last.csv.asc
wget --no-check-certificate https://nastyfans.org/distribution.last.csv.sig

To verify the signatures:

Code:

gpg --verify distribution.last.csv.asc distribution.last.csv

bitcoind verifymessage 1EwtTKJaXAtctSFqCQKU3LiCg9dqYPEkxN \
`cat distribution.last.csv.sig` "`cat distribution.last.csv`"

ErebusBat

hero member

Activity: 560

Merit: 500

I am the one who knocks

I am fine with that if he is.

novusordo

sr. member

Activity: 800

Merit: 250

Quote from: ErebusBat on January 10, 2013, 05:57:00 PM

Quote from: nonnakip on January 10, 2013, 03:53:20 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

I don't see an option to change a vote once cast, did I overlook it or does it have to be done through support?

I want to show the current results as soon as you vote. This is not implemented yet but is my plan. I think it is not appropriate to change votes. Members can play games and change at the last minute. Like ebay bidding shit. I do not want that.

When you vote that is your vote. I believe all voting systems are like this.

While I do agree with everything you just said there is also the counter argument of someone misreading, misclicking, or becoming more educated (here for example).

I dont want perfect to be the enemy of good, and what we have is awesome. I am just wondering if there are not some situations where changing a vote is legitimate.

I think it would be appropriate to contact nonnakip in the event one wants to change their vote. This way we could prevent members playing games, while still allowing someone who misread the text to have their vote count for what they want it to count for.

nonnakip

hero member

Activity: 633

Merit: 591

A generous nastyfans member offered to get nastyfans.org. I generated a new SSL certificate to support nastyfans.bit and nastyfans.org. It is also self-signed so you must accept it again. Sorry for the inconvenience. But now people can use nastyfans.org if wanted.

EDIT:
Here is the certificate information if you want to verify.

serial number: 00:B2:BF:27:9E:41:B0:81:83
sha1 fingerprint: 59:83:2F:09:0F:16:7A:5D:45:BB:6E:52:D8:C2:F1:2D:09:7B:FA:39
md5 fingerprint: 19:FB:01:A5:27:4C:5A:DE:FA:24:D8:E6:3D:D6:A6:51

Here is the Bitcoin signature using the donation address if the 3 lines are in a Microsoft text file:

ID0k2AbifKqD94D8E6hs47bRi0u8FHc7pFlOnZw8LYOvyI/dx5w2Dgk2Jrvnd26ig9Qi+K90rCjV+nAxfQzxlnU=

ErebusBat

hero member

Activity: 560

Merit: 500

I am the one who knocks

Quote from: nonnakip on January 10, 2013, 03:53:20 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

I don't see an option to change a vote once cast, did I overlook it or does it have to be done through support?

I want to show the current results as soon as you vote. This is not implemented yet but is my plan. I think it is not appropriate to change votes. Members can play games and change at the last minute. Like ebay bidding shit. I do not want that.

When you vote that is your vote. I believe all voting systems are like this.

While I do agree with everything you just said there is also the counter argument of someone misreading, misclicking, or becoming more educated (here for example).

I dont want perfect to be the enemy of good, and what we have is awesome. I am just wondering if there are not some situations where changing a vote is legitimate.

nonnakip

hero member

Activity: 633

Merit: 591

Quote from: ?? on ??

I don't see an option to change a vote once cast, did I overlook it or does it have to be done through support?

I want to show the current results as soon as you vote. This is not implemented yet but is my plan. I think it is not appropriate to change votes. Members can play games and change at the last minute. Like ebay bidding shit. I do not want that.

When you vote that is your vote. I believe all voting systems are like this.

OgNasty

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Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform

Quote from: ?? on ??

I'm in favor of canceling the ASIC orders but would prefer to maintain diversity with other ASIC developers rather than more orders with BFL.

Here's the problem with that. The other manufacturers are much smaller than BFL. The Avalon team for example isn't even accepting new orders at this time. Deepbit's ASIC doesn't seem like the greatest deal, and as far as I know ASICMINER isn't selling individual units to be shipped anytime soon. BFL has stated that they've ordered excess supply of ASIC chips and thus is probably our best chance at getting an order filled quickly if placed now. I definitely understand the diversity argument, but it seems like at this time BFL is our best bet.

nonnakip

hero member

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Merit: 591

Quote from: zero3112 on January 09, 2013, 05:51:36 PM

I think you should make more options for this poll.

If we have more options then it is very improbable that any option will get 75% majority. Let us first see the results of these polls.

plasticAiredale

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Quote from: ErebusBat on January 09, 2013, 05:24:09 PM

I just read the polls and thought I would comment here:

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nastyfans policy specifies that all polls include a "no action" choice. It also specifies that this is the automatic vote if a member does not vote within thirty days.

I am not sure this is the best option, at least how phrased. The reason being with a default choice (even if it can be changed) is that you just need to phrase the question differently:

"Should we stay diversified and keep our bASIC orders?" YES=Diversified NO=All BFL

"Should we consolidate all of our equipment in BFL and cancel any existing preorders?" YES=All BFL NO=Diversified

IF we do change the policy I would only have two options:
* Don't count my seats (abstain)
* Proxy to OGNasty

as those are really the only sensible 'defaults' to unknown questions.

Good Point. I agree.

zero3112

hero member

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I think you should make more options for this poll.

poll: [member opinion] cancel bASIC orders with BTCFPGA
No. Do not cancel the orders with BTCFPGA. (This is the default if you do not vote before this poll closes.)
Yes. Cancel the orders with BTCFPGA and purchase more hardware from Butterfly Labs.
Do not include my seats in this poll.

I would like to Cancel orders with BTCFPGA but I would like to Purchase hardware from a different ASIC company. Can this be a choose? I don't like the idea of going all in on Butterfly Labs but I don't like sticking with BTCFPGA.

ErebusBat

hero member

Activity: 560

Merit: 500

I am the one who knocks

I just read the polls and thought I would comment here:

Quote

nastyfans policy specifies that all polls include a "no action" choice. It also specifies that this is the automatic vote if a member does not vote within thirty days.

I am not sure this is the best option, at least how phrased. The reason being with a default choice (even if it can be changed) is that you just need to phrase the question differently:

"Should we stay diversified and keep our bASIC orders?" YES=Diversified NO=All BFL

"Should we consolidate all of our equipment in BFL and cancel any existing preorders?" YES=All BFL NO=Diversified

IF we do change the policy I would only have two options:
* Don't count my seats (abstain)
* Proxy to OGNasty

as those are really the only sensible 'defaults' to unknown questions.

nonnakip

hero member

Activity: 633

Merit: 591

There are now 4 open polls. We take action as soon as a poll result has a 75% choice majority.

l3sny

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Merit: 1000

Well... I would wait for bASIC. There will be a lot's of humps on the way. Perhaps bASIC will adjust their products after ASIC goes online or BFL will go belly up (just kidding). Let's stay with the diversity.

nonnakip

hero member

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Merit: 591

I will start polls very soon and include this topic in 1 poll. I will post again when the polls are online.

I think waiting until March for bASIC is O.K. A new order at Butterfly Labs probably will not be shipped faster. And I am skeptical about all the January promises anyway.

novusordo

sr. member

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Quote from: Akka on January 09, 2013, 02:37:52 AM

...Maybe this is a good opportunity to test the poll function of Nastyfans?

Agreed!

Akka

legendary

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The "asian company" thing is a point.

As for the delivery Time. Even if BFL really has a working prototype now (as they claim). And even if their production line is ready. I personally see now way how they could ship in January (as they claim).

I would say, keep a little diversity in the portfolio of Nasty is a save thing to do. Maybe this is a good opportunity to test the poll function of Nastyfans?

nebulus

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... it only gets better...

This might not be such bad news. Him selling his company means that there is someone who thinks its worth something. (Assuming there is no bullshit)

As far as "going all in on BFL" goes, it is probably more dangerous to keep all eggs in one basket than to bet on this. Plus, doesn't BFL have a huge backlog of orders anyway?

plasticAiredale

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Merit: 120

Quote from: OgNasty on January 08, 2013, 07:44:55 PM

What are your thoughts on cancelling our bASIC orders and going all in on Butterfly Labs?

Fine by me.

OgNasty

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Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform

It looks like besides falling months behind the other manufacturers, BTCFPGA is also selling itself to an "asian company" that has not yet been named. This makes me nervous. What are your thoughts on cancelling our bASIC orders and going all in on Butterfly Labs?

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I am selling my share in BTCFPGA and it is now going to be owned by a asian company that is 100% sure of a March Delivery. if you are not interested in doing business with this company please feel free to filll out a refund request and we will refund your money is full. There is plenty enough money to make all of these refunds and I have been a pillar of this community for years, so please no panic. Anyone that wants a refund - they will receive one today. Please I ask you to please accept my apologize - if you can wait until March you will receive a superior ASIC mining device, if you lost your trust in me and my company than I dont blame you at all. But please understand I tried the best at the best of my ability and I can't take any of this anymore. I am not the right man for this job. Your new ASIAN benefactors will be online soon to greet you all and see where were are at and hopefully they can calm some of your nerves.

https://www.btcfpga.com/forum/index.php?topic=954.msg2804#msg2804

l3sny

hero member

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We have now shares in Nexus 7 taped to a shoe box. Life is weird;)

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