Topic: 📈 NastyFans: The Bitcoin Enthusiast Fan Club (est. 2012) - page 172. (Read 959607 times)

I am being told and reading here that past "donations" are gone because I did not signup and get confirmed in time when you already had all the info needed

I already sent him an email (on the 8th) to the email he messaged me from. Guess that email account is useless and needs to be done on the forum



It's not that I forgot my password. It's that I'm being told that even if I get it reset there is still nothing there ("seats" given away / "donations" not given because I did not get this sorted out soon enough)

OgNasty only donated BTC14 to be distributed for no other reason than 'thanks for the support'

I know he has more and should have donated more, specifically to me.  Beware of the scammer.



/sarcasm off

So you're accusing me of being a scammer because you forgot your password for nonnakip's site? Awesome.

Please PM nonnakip to work out how you can verify your account and reset your password.

EDIT: Your seats were claimed, you just never set an address in the settings to receive donations. You were even contacted and asked to set a donation address when this was discovered. If you hadn't lost your password, or bothered to set a donation address, there would be no issue.

thanks a ton for the offer it means a lot. but i don't feel you should lose anything from this


i was emailed on december 30th saying i had signed up but had not yet set a "donation" address

well i had applied previously but account setup was not instant and was never notified that the account was setup so i did not set an address at that time

replied to that email on the 8th saying i was unable to login to my previously made account (this could be my fault. thought i knew what i would have used as the password but maybe not)

it's now the 23rd never got a reply

and after all this i know you already have my email address AND bitcoin address as provided by glbse

you have records of what i am owed there is not really any reason to be contacting privately. i already have a message from you confirming what i am owed

Edit:

I should add the number of shares is so few it was one of the last things from glbse I was worried about. But there's no reason for the way it is being handled. You got all the needed info anyways and then to set deadlines to claim or the rights are just given away?

Not true. You're going to have to apologize for this accusation if you want my help to see any kind of resolution from this.

I feel your pain.  The whole GLBSE was a complete nightmare, and I think everyone involved with the cleanup of Nefario's disastrous mess are really trying to do the best they can.

I received 1 free share in the lottery.

If admins are willing to do the work, and you are able to prove to them your share count, I will give back my 1 share for you.

So basically the starter of nasty mining is a scammer

No debating that

None of this was in the agreement

But no one on the forum will care and this will go the way of giga mining and the user will probably end up raising more money

Was it an email that looks something like this?


Initially, I didn't think it was legitimate, but then I checked the forums and found out it was authorized by NastyMining / OgNasty:




And this:




And then this:




OgNasty (who has majority control, something like 15k seats) decided to vote for the lottery rather than abstain & let the NastyFans decide for themselves:




Ultimately, this was the result:

not really sure why this matters?

i do not have many shares so it is not really high priority. just something i want to get done since i am owed for this

sent an email as a reply to a message i received. so i was expecting it to make it somewhere it would get a response

Why did you wait so long to post here?  Did you attempt to PM him on this forum?

on january 8th i replied to a message i received from [email protected] requesting help

have not gotten anything back


I have not gotten any payments and am expecting this to be resolved and all back payments made up to this point to others to be made to my address

Exactly, thanks indeed!

I am happy with those interpretations.

I also want to clarify the last point... I never thought you were greedy.  I just wanted to make sure that we considered all the sides, thank you for not letting ego get in the way as some may have.

The current nastyfans policy is missing clarifications:

• payment received: In the Bitcoin world this is not a clear statement. A payment has multiple parts: transaction submission and inclusion in the block chain and multiple confirmations in the block chain.
• unexpected payments: If unexpected Bitcoins appear at a address controlled by nastyfans it is not specified what happens to those Bitcoins.

Both of these situations occur since nastyfans begins. The missing clarifications were implemented using my own interpretation of policy. For "payment received" I interpreted this as 6 confirmations. For "unexpected payments" I interpreted this as donations to nastyfans.

ErebusBat makes a very good argument that payments may be late in the blockchain and it is not the fault of the member. Akka provides a very good suggestion to prevent this problem. "payment received" is now interpreted as transaction submitted. nastyfans still requires 6 confirmations to transfer seat ownership. But now there is no risk for buyers that their client or miners cause problems for the buy.

For "unexpected payments" there are already 3 incidents where overpayments happen. These became donations and were included in distributions 212573 and 217037. kuzetsa makes a very good argument about nastyfans not taking unexpected payments as a donation. Indeed it does not fit the "spirit" of nastyfans.

Now all unexpected payments will be carefully handled to return the Bitcoins to the owner. If it is not clear who the owner is or if the owner does not have a donation address I will use social methods to discover the owner. nastyfans will now only accept donations to the official donation address.

The 3 overpayment issues total 0.006 BTC. I now sent this amount to the nastyfans donation address from my personal wallet. But this will not be included in the next distribution. Instead it will be sent to the 3 members that overpaid. This is fair for the other members because they already received the 0.006 BTC in distributions 212573 and 217037.

Now nastyfans acts in the correct "spirit". Members do not need to worry about accidental payments or overpayments or underpayments. Any payment mistakes are detected and will be returned in full. Members do not need to worry about confirmations for payments. Only the payment submission must happen within 6 blocks of clicking "buy".

I will create a poll to add these details to the policy. Right now they are in effect as "interpretations" of the "spirit" of the policy. But I want them to be clearly stated so my actions are clearly reinforced.

I apologize for my greedy interpretations of the policy. Thank you Akka and Newar and ErebusBat and kuzetsa for your efforts to keep nastyfans clean. I am happy to have such members in our club.

I think that these, or something resembling/inspired by them are the only sane way to go.  I wouldn't worry about the micro-donations, but as you said if 1000BTC lands in our laps then we should know (in general) our plan of action.

Nope.

It's not in the policy / completely unable to figure out why you think it is clear.





^Which line(s) of this are "clear" and back up your statement of "It should be a donation"

I waited a few days before bringing this up again, and haven't seen any explanation, nor has a poll been put up on the matter.

It is wrong to assume a user has access to a sender address. I do not care if some services work that way. It is a false assumption and will cause problems in the future.


I do not understand how that is better. Let us use the example that started this conversation:

https://blockchain.info/tx/dfb30e8dd29628b3ee14ff6b0b2d9946845a919b240cefffc2ebeab6327e92b4

In this case one of the addresses is actually a donation address. But what if that was not the case? Which address do I send the refund to?? Any of them?


I agree completely and want to be fair. That is why we are discussing this. But I do not want to send Bitcoins to some address that may not be accessible for the user. That is bad policy.

Perhaps it is easier to create a "lost and found" on nastyfans. It applies to each member individually. Then members have time to decide what should be done and where to send the refund. For each lost item a text area can be available for the member to enter instructions.

This does not clarify anonymous Bitcoin deposits. If suddenly 1000 BTC land in a nastyfans address I still do not know what to do. Maybe a general "lost and found" where we can use a poll to decide what to do.

I would say that is a pretty bold statement.  Also not all online services work that way, BlockChain.info's MyWallet for example works exactly like a desktop wallet, while InstaWallet functions as you say.

I would still say it is a better policy than just taking the coins and saying 'oh well... thanks for the donation'.   Several sites/services that REQUIRE the user to be in control of the sending address exist and have been very clear and don't seem to have an image problem.

I guess we could have a new option in settings:
[ ] If my TX has a bunch of dust inputs, so it is unlikley to get confirmed in a timley manner, then just treat seat purchases as a donation.  (If this option is unchecked and TXs are not 6xConfirmed in 144 blocks after your TX then it will be sent back once the TX eventually confirms (miuns 0.0005 fee).

But I don't really like that option either.  I think a simple warning on a purchase is much more sane:
WARNING: If your TX is not 6xConfirmed by block # xxxxxx (approx XYZ hours from now), then once it does finally confirm it will be sent back to you minus 0.0005 TX fee.  This is to ensure that seats are not locked forever.


One reason I am so adamant about this is because it is very possible for this to happen completely out of the users hands with many small inputs.  If their client doesn't do the right thing, or even if it does some mining pools will deliberately prioritize large TXs with small amounts.  Also a message about using the correct fees might be good.

/rant off

No. This is on the list of features to implement. I have all the data. When the feature exists you will see all past buy transactions when you bought and all past payment transactions to you when you sold.

Is there a way to see a transaction history for seats I bought / sold on the site?