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Topic: [NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread - page 344. (Read 661499 times)

sr. member
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Interesting discussion in NXT thread:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5356613

It seems they realize that 100% POS coin concept is not enough as it
does not give any incentive to users with low account balance to run the node.
I see some influence of "NON INNOVATIVE" PON / POI concept here Wink



sorry for asking a newbie question?  Smiley but why is it important for small accounts to run their nodes. Is it not enough for big accounts to run the system, they are forging all the fees anyway.

How does the POI system work anyway, Who or what determines which node is more important. Will it be possible in NEM for a person with 100 NEM to forge more then a person with 10000 NEM?
hero member
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Nxt NEM
Interesting discussion in NXT thread:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5356613

It seems they realize that 100% POS coin concept is not enough as it
does not give any incentive to users with low account balance to run the node.
I see some influence of "NON INNOVATIVE" PON / POI concept here Wink



I don't believe that the issue has really taken 2 months to admit the fact (and its consequences) Smiley

https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,1268.0.html

hero member
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Interesting discussion in NXT thread:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5356613

It seems they realize that 100% POS coin concept is not enough as it
does not give any incentive to users with low account balance to run the node.
I see some influence of "NON INNOVATIVE" PON / POI concept here Wink

hero member
Activity: 834
Merit: 524
Nxt NEM
well apparently i don't get a stake purely because i linked the logo i made to imgur instead of posting it directly in the reply

how is that fair? i still made a logo! Sad i was so looking forward to being a part of NEM too.....

i know i'm not the only one this has hapened to so can i please ask if i can have the stake???

You can still win a development share. I still don't know how your logo looks.

if everyone else who made a logo got a normal stake, why dont i too?

this was my logo;




Can AAAple12 perhaps buy a stake with the spot he used for the logo?

I do feel bad if he's been active the past month with NEM and is missing out due to a miscommunications.

There's nothing worse than missing out on a possibly big opportunity due to a miscommunication. I speak from experience.

If it was all due to a miscommunications, I think this is a sensible solution, if he's been following up on Nem and reading this thread everyday.

Well he could have his stake back just as Mr.2Kool4Skewl could have his stake back. I don't really like to take things from people. But it is sad that some people like to madly argue that some rules are baseless, trivial just because the rules are going against them. 



Apparently I made a wrong evaluation in the beginning of this NEM IPO;
and ofc let the previous NXT logo competition "scare" Smiley

Otherwise everything would have been so much easier and saved network bandwidth  Wink

Suggestions (drafts) for NEM logo and currency symbol:

https://i.imgur.com/3CmjQ99.png

https://i.imgur.com/q8cfQnC.png



https://i.imgur.com/Zj7Fa7A.png

https://i.imgur.com/q8HOwwA.png

https://i.imgur.com/xFUT8Wc.png

sr. member
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time to praise:
UP & all the Dev-Team members, youre doing a wonderfull job!
I'm really amazed.
good day Smiley

+1 ,Devs are doing great job,we all should aprreciate that.

+1 yeah for sure, but UP please use us non-programmers members more. Some of us are itching to do more , I am sure there must be lawers, doctors, merchants, students , engineers and lots of other professionals. Surely there must be something we can come up with that could help NEM.
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In regards to his character, he already showed it. If he starts acting in a more reasonable, less troll of a way, it won't change his character, he would still be the same person.

Hard to believe that a senior member of this forum can show such childish behavior. But, to finished, I'm glad that he can hold his stake and have the opportunity to act more reasonably. This speak very good about this community!

I was simply looking out for everyone that gave Nxt or Btc to the dev fund. 

When I received my stake, no one had to pay.  At that point, if Nem wasn't fairly distributed and had no code, no one lost anything.  Later when UtopianFuture started collecting Nxt and Btc, people were at risk of losing their money.  I've seen the Visacoin, Shares, Aero, etc scams and I know how eager people are to get a stake in the next Nxt.  I don't think it is ethical to sell people on promises with little actual work.  Writing Nem from scratch is easier said than done.  People might say that I'm bashing Nem so they invest in Nxt, but the fact is that Nxt is being actively developed.  If I had to pay Nxt to get Nem, I would just keep my Nxt, but everyone has the right to make their own decision.

You are really acting like a 2 year old.  If you are an example of what Nxt is about, then I'm glad new options are being created.  As for your potential scam allegations, the funding is over now.  The only thing you are doing now is sabotaging the project and taking attention away from managing the project to your child like antics.  However, I do believe you should still have your stake.  Please just take your stake and support NEM, or leave.
sr. member
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time to praise:
UP & all the Dev-Team members, youre doing a wonderfull job!
I'm really amazed.
good day Smiley

+1 ,Devs are doing great job,we all should aprreciate that.
member
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time to praise:
UP & all the Dev-Team members, youre doing a wonderfull job!
I'm really amazed.
good day Smiley

+1
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time to praise:
UP & all the Dev-Team members, youre doing a wonderfull job!
I'm really amazed.
good day Smiley
hero member
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Hello, I replied to the post, but has often been deleted, how is it?
   I come from China, my English is not good to say, this is what I used google translate!

What post ?
newbie
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Hello, I replied to the post, but has often been deleted, how is it?
   I come from China, my English is not good to say, this is what I used google translate!
newbie
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Quote from: utopianfuture

Here are people who submitted logo from page 20 to page 30 which should face an exact promotional condition as you had. Everyone of them posted the logo directly in the post.

HalfEvil, upekha, adobkin88, jango, serpico-cop, nemestomen, hachiko, fz0591, kakoy-soobshaete, sepi, HissFast12, lewiscoin, Hovan, lostisland, AmusedClam84, RusticChinchilla8, cryptocoin12, Picasso7, Harry_Potter, HungryLaunch, Denis_Diderot, atias, Appleanimal, suka, balalaika, ShawnLeary, overseas3, HalfArsedElectron, CheerupSmug14.

I want to see some of them telling me if the rule about posting the logo directly in the post was clear enough.

I thought it was clear at least...
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Hey folks,

Just to move to another topic...
What are your thoughts on the current MtGox affair?
In my opinion, this is very harmful, not only for BTC, but also for all currencies including NEM because:
i. Operationally, NEM (as well other second generation cryptocurrencies in their beginning) will set his value as a reference to the BTC price; which is something that in my opinion only will limit the development of NEM
ii. Public confidence on cryptocurrencies goes severely down. So, even though we have such a strong community, noble and good ideas to develop; for the eyes of the public opinion, this is still a cryptocurrency with the (wrong) impression that it can have the problems of BTC
iii. It also show how a good original idea (decentralized asset exchange) as BTC was co-opted and transformed in a merely highly risky and speculative commodity. This, in my opinion, is a powerful lesson for us. We should, from the very beginning, try to attach the coin to a real value in the real world. An advantage of our community is the fact that once the money start circulating; given the fair distribution, I hope it could be more easy to create these type of markets. I'm looking forward the development of the code to see wether it can be possible to create a market as eBay, but based on NEMs in parallel with trading sites in order to make NEM's economy more dynamic and varied

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Now everybody talking about this 2kool4skewl stuff should stop. Decision has been made by the community and Utopian to keep him on board. Everyone should keep their opinions to themselves and let this thread be open for other stuff. I wont post another word about this debate since the decision has been made.

It is time to move forward from the negative debating, constant in this thread, to a positive discussion about how can we all contribute to bringing NEM forward.

All interested in participating can look at our promotion trello board at https://trello.com/b/GEWEPSZJ/nem-promotion and see if there is something that (s)he can contribute to. If you have good suggestions feel free to ask Utopianfuture to add you to the trello board!
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My plan is to use taint analysis to link closely related accounts together. And we will limit the holding of these closely related accounts to 5 stakes, anything above that would be refunded.

We can't really say for sure all these related accounts is just one person. It is possible that a group of friends is buying via one big account holder and but one account still represent one person. It is a good thing if someone can draw a close friend or two of him into crypto because of this opportunity and then they can can help to promote NEM in differently ways locally. But I would like to restrict these groups to a maximum of 5 stakes.

I asked Kooream to compile population statistics so that we can see have a glimpse of how many unique accounts/ individuals we could have. I expect group 1, accounts created  before the fundraising, consists mainly of unique accounts and as well as accounts in group 2, accounts created during the fundraising but engaged in more activities. Counting both groups, we already have roughly 1500 stakeholders, so that's a good thing.  

It is expected that stakeholders can buy 1 more share for loved one/ family member as well so a certain percentage of group 3 account falls into this category. A certain portion accounts in group 3 are also unique accounts but they are not yet active so they should be able to keep their shares. The remaining are likely sockpuppet accounts and we will try to refund them using the taint analysis.

I have finished the unified list and will post them momentarily. Let's wait 1-2 days before we start the public auditing. There will be guidelines and bounties announced for the efforts. Generally the public auditing includes: public checking for errors, discrepancies in the stakeholder list; public checking for big multi-accouter using taint analysis.

UP    

The list is long,This is a tedious work,Thanks for your hard work!

Yes! Thanks for your hard work. I think people have one stake dont like some ID like "sockpuppet1" "sockpuppet2" in the stakeholder list.
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When I received my stake, no one had to pay.  At that point, if Nem wasn't fairly distributed and had no code, no one lost anything.  Later when UtopianFuture started collecting Nxt and Btc, people were at risk of losing their money.  I've seen the Visacoin, Shares, Aero, etc scams and I know how eager people are to get a stake in the next Nxt.  I don't think it is ethical to sell people on promises with little actual work.  Writing Nem from scratch is easier said than done.  People might say that I'm bashing Nem so they invest in Nxt, but the fact is that Nxt is being actively developed.  If I had to pay Nxt to get Nem, I would just keep my Nxt, but everyone has the right to make their own decision.

I could be wrong, but I think there is no comparison with Visae coin and others. Developers involved are more talented.

I guess the lead develper is Jaguar0625 who converted curve25519 (used by Nxt) to Javascript

https://github.com/Jaguar0625/JavaScriptNrs

could be very useful for Nxt webased clients for local signing.

The other developer  minusbalancer wrote one of the Nxt client.

There are are others all of of whom are well known on this forum.

It's stupid to compare this team with scam IPOs
 

sr. member
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Internet of Value
I see there's certainly no lack of drama going on here the last couple days. Anyway, is there some formal list of items us non-programmers can contribute to?

https://trello.com/b/GEWEPSZJ/nem-promotion

You should ask Utopianfuture to add you to the board

There are a lot of open items in the Trello board. Let me know if you want to join in. Thanks.
sr. member
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Shameless repost, we need community members to get involved for this to be great!

nemcoin.info
Current Versions are at:
http://oddape.co/AwkwardTheme/index1.9.8.html (black theme)
and
http://oddape.co/AwkwardTheme/index1.9.7.html (blue theme)

Google Docs:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gbp1rivOTFZvtBG0_rJabUyyKbDuZjMBx9jiifBJO0c/edit?usp=sharing   (nemcoin.info proposal)

Please give me your input, I have appreciated all the suggestions so far! Do you like the black or blue theme? I prefer the blue theme as I think it is more welcoming, but the black theme would go well with ournem.com

This site is built on the bootstrap framework, so it is super optimized for fullscreen and mobile sizes (I will optimize it for tablets later, but it still looks ok there for now)
Also.  an "updates" section will be the next thing I implement into the site.

I can use more pictures, etc for the website!!!  If I use your images/graphics/pictures whatever in the final design, You will receive some NEM from me shortly after launch.
A great part of this website will be the “case study” (read all about it in the google docs).
Any merchant or charity or fellow stakeholder  that wants to get involved please post at this thread:
http://nemcoin.userboard.net/t45-nemcoininfo
read the google docs for more info on how you can help, thanks!



I prefer the blue one. Its looking good otherwise, but you should change the pics. The nightly city isn't what rebuilding the financial system is about (i mean what NEM is about). Also surely community is not about clubbing/raving (the picture in the community part), but something else. I haven't got any idea why there is a picture of alpine roads in the FAQ part and how is the How To associated with flowing water and the wallet downloads with a nightly bridge + city.

How about:

- The first picture replace with the one on ournem.com site

- Community picture looking something more like these: http://www.bluewolf.com/sites/default/files/SalesforceCommunities.jpg
http://www.iiaweb.com/sites/iiadev/files/pagegraphics/community.jpg
point being that no clubbing/raving, because we ought to be a respectable organization combatting the unequal distribution of wealth globally and all the problems it brings with it.

- How about a text "FAQ" or just a question mark on the FAQ pic?

- I dont know what to put in the How To, but surely we must have something else than water there.

- Finally couldn't the wallet part just be a picture of a wallet / money / Bitcoin wallet or something that is related to a wallet somehow...

Besides those pictures its looking good IMO. Great work!

I like the black theme, I agree with erkk12 about the party picture and the nightcity pictures ( sorry if I am too picky, its easy for me to criticize while doing nothing to help) its not inspirational. I like the water and mountain road pics, its very soothing  Smiley to look at. Also the logo seems odd.
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I see there's certainly no lack of drama going on here the last couple days. Anyway, is there some formal list of items us non-programmers can contribute to?

https://trello.com/b/GEWEPSZJ/nem-promotion

You should ask Utopianfuture to add you to the board
newbie
Activity: 21
Merit: 0
My plan is to use taint analysis to link closely related accounts together. And we will limit the holding of these closely related accounts to 5 stakes, anything above that would be refunded.

We can't really say for sure all these related accounts is just one person. It is possible that a group of friends is buying via one big account holder and but one account still represent one person. It is a good thing if someone can draw a close friend or two of him into crypto because of this opportunity and then they can can help to promote NEM in differently ways locally. But I would like to restrict these groups to a maximum of 5 stakes.

I asked Kooream to compile population statistics so that we can see have a glimpse of how many unique accounts/ individuals we could have. I expect group 1, accounts created  before the fundraising, consists mainly of unique accounts and as well as accounts in group 2, accounts created during the fundraising but engaged in more activities. Counting both groups, we already have roughly 1500 stakeholders, so that's a good thing.  

It is expected that stakeholders can buy 1 more share for loved one/ family member as well so a certain percentage of group 3 account falls into this category. A certain portion accounts in group 3 are also unique accounts but they are not yet active so they should be able to keep their shares. The remaining are likely sockpuppet accounts and we will try to refund them using the taint analysis.

I have finished the unified list and will post them momentarily. Let's wait 1-2 days before we start the public auditing. There will be guidelines and bounties announced for the efforts. Generally the public auditing includes: public checking for errors, discrepancies in the stakeholder list; public checking for big multi-accouter using taint analysis.

UP    
You guys did very good job.I like those ideas.

GOOD.
wish better.
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