Topic: Neo & Bee talk (spam free thread) - page 17. (Read 262056 times)

i know a sociopath;  i had no idea it was a real thing until i met him.  i don't take anyone's word for it about the character of a person, and very rarely am i disappointed with that policy--but he was one.

never let them get into rapport with you.  stay in pure logic mode, and remember it's always a manipulation.  i fear for my life.

anyway, too bad about this thing.

you're welcome ... and the 2 neo&bee guys are still around there and answering questions btw

Thank you for that. Makes for very interesting reading. I sincerely hope the police are involved. Existing laws should be more than adequate to deal with allegations made here.

from the reddit OP

Neo is moving forward actually.

news: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/23cjd9/the_full_picture_of_former_neo_bee_employees/

Prices at Havelock are set by me.  Now you know.

My point exactly, nice to see you agree with me. Hard facts, with evidence is what the High Courts are looking for. Not hearsay.

Hard facts are not mentioned anywhere in any of the articles that critics are posting here. The hard facts are yet to be seen.  These threads are full of troll posts and personal attacks from Sporks & Co to whoever is critical of their personal agenda against Brewster. Reposts of this forum are also available at bitcointa.lk, unmoderated and uncensored.

Hard facts, documented, like that fact that btcapples sold a bunch of shares off market, on a succesfull attempt to crash the price.

Hard facts, like the fact that the listing was being traded at 0.002, befre it was taken off the market on company's request
and returned on the market at 0.0002 with havelock deciding on when it will be brought back to trade and at what price. A huge spread, decided by whom exactly? Nobody knows. Critics are saying that havelock has the right to dominate any listing. Because they say so.

Hard facts like the fact that while neo shareholders had their shares locked on LMB site, shareholders at havelock were able to sell/buy without a hitch. Why would havelock allow that to happen? Because TAT, Havelock, applesguy and the likes were in on the game, having inside info.

Hard facts, you know? the kind of facts that actually makes sense in a court of law, not an anonymous forum..

Thanks CAFE NEO.

Danny just came back from the funeral, but he had to leave immediately in order to attend a family birtday party.

As such, he cannot respond to you or the Cyprus Police (did they fix their phones?) or Interpol (we have send them a tweet and have not replied - are they stupid or do they have internet connection problems?).

As soon as he comes back I will inform him accordingly.

Take care.

Danny hope you have seen the open invitation in reddit from one of the persons that gave you 20000 euros to buy bitcoins he put his phone number and his full name and email
PLease do not ignore him
If you need help you can contact me and I can diffuce this mess

Seems that Europol and Interpol will issue arrest warrants for Danny based on hearsay and what is written on Reddit and Bitcoin talk.

Arrest warrants are issued by courts not by the police, based on HARD FACTS, not hearsay or gossip in anonymous forums on the internet.

Misiformed news outlets and reporters without fact-checking, is this hard to see really?
I mean the no-fact checking part. The so-called media source has shown no other new info on this. They merely copied info that is already posted in the neo threads. They have shown no other piece of information, and have shown nothing on basing their "trusted" claims.

Also, respectable news outlets worldwide have been sharing us all sorts of misinformation, with most recent being the missing malaysian jet.
While no news actually exist for over a month, that did not stop the news networks from speculating.

What i see here is very much the same thing. There is no real information other than what is posted in here, yet even the so-called "respectable" news source does not have any official statement on the record.
They are only reproducing, this is no reporting by any standarts.

The police are involved, there is an arrest warrant issued for Danny in Cyprus, there's no "if" here.

( http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/232v5n/the_full_picture_from_danny_brewster/ )

Though it's unlikely you'll learn anything from this police involvement.  Investor fraud is not one of the charges, unless you filed those yourself. Danny is wanted for stealing real money from IRL Cypriots.  The cops couldn't care less about your play "virtual profit shares" which you bought on a virtual unlicensed Panamanian exchange, get real bro.

If you look back at the post history Jorge (particularly on the now-closed thread where Danny initially discussed the IPO), the 'negative posting' only really exploded during the 2-week silent period between the latest Prospectus and the final announcement that they were illiquid.

All of those negative posts were based on fabrications and hearsay, and certain characters (btcapples for example) were directly responsible for selling outside the market in an attempt to crash the stock. Which of course succeeded.

I still think the future of NeoBee is up for grabs. There are too many fabrications and speculations to believe anything one way or the other.

- If the police are actually involved, then we should get some answers if we wait.

- If Danny's actually looking for a buyer/new CEO, then we should let that process happen naturally.

Nothing is going to come from lying, threatening, bitching and moaning in this forum.

I see what you mean... 

However, while the N&B news posted so far would not pass the "academic journal standards" (which are themselves rather low), they are at the same level of the news that we must rely upon to know most of what we know about the world.  It is hard to believe that an established media source based in Nicosia would write a bogus article about an arrest warrant, issued against the CEO of a company with headquarters in Nicosia, entirely based on anonymous posts to this forum, without minimal facts-checking and without being contradicted by some other local news source.

I have little dobt that the media reports about Neo & Bee are basically correct, and it is obvious that the only denials came from Danny or from anonymous posters who are trying to lift the price of the N&B stock.  (Note that these posters all assert that the company can recover; but  they cannot possibly know that, even if their "first-hand testimonials" were true.)

While a smear campaign on this forum may have harmed N&B capitalization, it cannot have had any efffect on the company after that. If the capital raised at the "IPO" was insufficient, N&B should have postponed their plans until it raised more.  Negative propaganda could turn clients away, but that is not relevant since they were never open for business.

But then, if N&B's failure cannot be blamed on those negative posts, that failure would, in hindsight, fully justify those negative posts -- whatever their motivation.

Wow. Thanks for linking to so many sources for your claims. It's going to take us hours to evaluate this mountain of evidence you've provided.

Just wait.

Most people simply didn't bother pointing out the obvious.  When a spaceship appears in the middle of a playground, made out of cardboard boxes and tape with "Moon or Bust" scribbled on the side, I don't run over to explain to its builders that it won't fly.  Only after realizing, to my dismay, that the aspiring astronauts are full-grown adults planning a moon journey...

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I am not an investor, but I read and post mostly to the "Wall Observing" thread.  Until now, all I knew about Neo & Bee was from reading some posts in this forum (generally enthusiastic) and occasional articles in Coindesk and other media (generally glowing, apparently based on N&B press releases and Danny's  statements).

But I did criticize N&B on two occasions, in that thread.  First, some months ago, someone posted links to the first N&B TV ads.  I watched one, and complained that it seemed directed to believers in the US/UK rather than to the Cypriot public, e.g. for using the bitcoiner slang "fiat" (which to Cypriots can only mean the Italian car maker).

Anyway, the second time was when the Central Bank of Cyprus issued a warning about the volatility, lack of backing, and other risks of bitcoin. It was merely the same factual warning that most other central banks have been releasing.  Danny wrote a response, and I commented that it too read like a libertarian manifesto rather than an attempt to change the Central Bank's mind.  Specifcally, implying that "bankers are the biggest criminals in the world" was not the best argument to use when trying to convince the Central Bank to authorize the opening of Danny's Bank.

I don't think that my skepticism about bitcoin (specifically, of the "Satoshi bitcoin") are affecting my evaluation of the Neo&Bee situation.  Obviously, their failure had nothing to do with bitcoin itself.

I must admit, however, that my opinion of the bitcoin community is influencing my evaluation of these news, and vice-versa.  Yet another "bitcoin hero" that turns out to be anything but a hero...