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newbie
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April 06, 2014, 06:03:21 PM
If there is any money left after that, presumably it would be distributed to the shareholders.  Is that correct?
Only, keep in mind that – unless I'm mistaken – NEOBEE "shares" aren't real company shares, are just "shares on future profits", which makes them exactly worthless.


Corporate bonds should be worthless by your definition. The Neobee shares listed on Havelock entitle the owner to 100% of all dividends until 2x the IPO price/share has been paid.
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The shares entitle the owner to 100% of nothing.  Even if NeoBee became a successful business, the shareholders would be entitled to nothing if the profits are spent on expenses, like hiring your GF as a consultant.  You, as a non-voting shareholder, would have zero say in that.

Corporate bonds have nothing to do with any of this -- they don't pay dividends, they promise the holder a predetermined, fixed payment.

There will always be shady ways for corrupt company execs to be dodgy if they so wish.

Corporate bonds comes somewhat close to this "profit shares" model even if they promise fixed payment. Just change fixed payment on certain established date to % of dividends.
copper member
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April 06, 2014, 06:03:01 PM
Guys. Be careful though. If this wall goes your all fucked.
newbie
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April 06, 2014, 06:02:45 PM
583870/583870   ฿0.00031000   ฿180.9997

Enjoy.
sr. member
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April 06, 2014, 05:54:32 PM
If there is any money left after that, presumably it would be distributed to the shareholders.  Is that correct?
Only, keep in mind that – unless I'm mistaken – NEOBEE "shares" aren't real company shares, are just "shares on future profits", which makes them exactly worthless.


Corporate bonds should be worthless by your definition. The Neobee shares listed on Havelock entitle the owner to 100% of all dividends until 2x the IPO price/share has been paid.
...

The shares entitle the owner to 100% of nothing.  Even if NeoBee became a successful business, the shareholders would be entitled to nothing if the profits are spent on expenses, like hiring your GF as a consultant.  You, as a non-voting shareholder, would have zero say in that.

Corporate bonds have nothing to do with any of this -- they don't pay dividends, they promise the holder a predetermined, fixed payment.
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April 06, 2014, 05:37:23 PM
If there is any money left after that, presumably it would be distributed to the shareholders.  Is that correct?
Only, keep in mind that – unless I'm mistaken – NEOBEE "shares" aren't real company shares, are just "shares on future profits", which makes them exactly worthless.


Corporate bonds should be worthless by your definition. The Neobee shares listed on Havelock entitle the owner to 100% of all dividends until 2x the IPO price/share has been paid.

However, if we look at another Bitcoin company that shall not be named here, they've transformed "profit shares" into full company shares recently. Neo shares might follow same model and be converted into full company shares.

This would make sense, it would give Danny a bit of breathing space.

I'm still going down the buyer route. Someone could buy neobee for a few thousand BTC, an amount that is child's play to allot of early adopters.

Lets see if this wall gets eaten into
newbie
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April 06, 2014, 05:34:39 PM
If there is any money left after that, presumably it would be distributed to the shareholders.  Is that correct?
Only, keep in mind that – unless I'm mistaken – NEOBEE "shares" aren't real company shares, are just "shares on future profits", which makes them exactly worthless.


Corporate bonds should be worthless by your definition. The Neobee shares listed on Havelock entitle the owner to 100% of all dividends until 2x the IPO price/share has been paid.

However, if we look at another Bitcoin company that shall not be named here, they've transformed "profit shares" into full company shares recently. Neo shares might follow same model and be converted into full company shares.
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Bitgoblin
April 06, 2014, 05:14:37 PM
If there is any money left after that, presumably it would be distributed to the shareholders.  Is that correct?
Only, keep in mind that – unless I'm mistaken – NEOBEE "shares" aren't real company shares, are just "shares on future profits", which makes them exactly worthless.
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April 06, 2014, 05:13:27 PM
Someones put in a buy order for 600k+ shares. You think he knows something we don't? That's a huge gamble if he doesn't.
If the company goes bankrupt, its assets (including any remaining BTC, by logic) will be sold, and the money thus collected will be used to pay debts and the fees of bankruptcy lawyers and executors.

If there is any money left after that, presumably it would be distributed to the shareholders.  Is that correct?

In that case, the buy/sell price posted by a trader shoud reflect his expectation about the amount of money that may be distributed to investors.  Insiders obviously have an advantage there.

The CEO of a failing bitcoin enterprise may be tempted to take any remaining bitcoins for himself, since they are "virtual" and their accounting is more easily faked. Hopefully the bankruptcy executors/courts will be smart enough to prevent that.

(The "standard script" for failing bitcoin enterprises calls for a "hacker" supposedly stealing a good part of the bitcoins.  But that act has already been played out in this case, yes?)

 

Either that or they have found a buyer. I'm not an investor, but this is fucking interesting. That sort of order, especially as its getting eaten into, means someone has allot of faith in the future of neobee. Either that or they have $90,000 to throw away.
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April 06, 2014, 05:09:03 PM
Someones put in a buy order for 600k+ shares. You think he knows something we don't? That's a huge gamble if he doesn't.
If the company goes bankrupt, its assets (including any remaining BTC, by logic) will be sold, and the money thus collected will be used to pay debts and the fees of bankruptcy lawyers and executors.

If there is any money left after that, presumably it would be distributed to the shareholders.  Is that correct?

In that case, the buy/sell price posted by a trader shoud reflect his expectation about the amount of money that may be distributed to investors.  Insiders obviously have an advantage there.

The CEO of a failing bitcoin enterprise may be tempted to take any remaining bitcoins for himself, since they are "virtual" and their accounting is more easily faked. Hopefully the bankruptcy executors/courts will be smart enough to prevent that.

(The "standard script" for failing bitcoin enterprises calls for a "hacker" supposedly stealing a good part of the bitcoins.  But that act has already been played out in this case, yes?)


 
sr. member
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April 06, 2014, 04:08:19 PM
Someones put in a buy order for 600k+ shares. You think he knows something we don't? That's a huge gamble if he doesn't.

FUN!
full member
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April 06, 2014, 04:05:42 PM
Mr. Brewster's fiancée is British living temporary in Cyprus,not Cypriot.
Thanks for the clarification!

I understand that the details of his personal life are not relevant in general.  However, since he is not Cypriot himself (and does not speak Greek), it would have been relevant to know whether he chose Cyprus because it provided the best market/environment for Neo & Bee, or for purely personal reasons.

For how long had he been living in Cyprus before he launched the N&B project?


Cyprus is a good choice of location to start a company in Europe because of only 10% tax on company income


12.5% after Troika but still very low
sr. member
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April 06, 2014, 04:03:48 PM
Mr. Brewster's fiancée is British living temporary in Cyprus,not Cypriot.
Thanks for the clarification!

I understand that the details of his personal life are not relevant in general.  However, since he is not Cypriot himself (and does not speak Greek), it would have been relevant to know whether he chose Cyprus because it provided the best market/environment for Neo & Bee, or for purely personal reasons.

For how long had he been living in Cyprus before he launched the N&B project?


Cyprus is a good choice of location to start a company in Europe because of only 10% tax on company income
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April 06, 2014, 04:01:39 PM
Someones put in a buy order for 600k+ shares. You think he knows something we don't? That's a huge gamble if he doesn't.

51% attack?
copper member
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April 06, 2014, 03:59:01 PM
Someones put in a buy order for 600k+ shares. You think he knows something we don't? That's a huge gamble if he doesn't.
hero member
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April 06, 2014, 03:48:17 PM
Mr. Brewster's fiancée is British living temporary in Cyprus,not Cypriot.
Thanks for the clarification!

I understand that the details of his personal life are not relevant in general.  However, since he is not Cypriot himself (and does not speak Greek), it would have been relevant to know whether he chose Cyprus because it provided the best market/environment for Neo & Bee, or for purely personal reasons.

For how long had he been living in Cyprus before he launched the N&B project?
sr. member
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April 06, 2014, 03:40:26 PM
1.Is it true that the threats were made 1 week AFTER he went on hide and run and cut all communications with his staff? How can this be explained?
He filed for a change of the CEO listing on March 14, but didn't tell anyone.  As far as I know, he went silent a few days after that.  I have no idea when the threats were made.  According to some sources, employees didn't get any payments for March.

2.Full and detailed financial report about the financial affairs of Neo Bee. Danny says he can account "for every bitcoin raised". However there are unanswered claims about coins missing. Some talk about 3,000, others about 5,000, others about 8,000 bitcoins.
12K+ btc were raised.  We have no idea where any of it went without a proper financial report.  One was promised a while back, but never materialized.
newbie
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April 06, 2014, 02:59:59 PM
Mr. Brewster's fiancée is British living temporary in Cyprus,not Cypriot.
newbie
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April 06, 2014, 02:42:04 PM
Whilst I sympathize with the threats made to Danny and his daughter, in case they have actually been made,we still expect 2 important clarifications:

1.Is it true that the threats were made 1 week AFTER he went on hide and run and cut all communications with his staff? How can this be explained?

2.Full and detailed financial report about the financial affairs of Neo Bee. Danny says he can account "for every bitcoin raised". However there are unanswered claims about coins missing. Some talk about 3,000, others about 5,000, others about 8,000 bitcoins.

Until he clarifies the above, I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
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Bitgoblin
April 06, 2014, 02:04:06 PM
I learned only these days, through this forum, that Mr. Brewster's fiancée is Cypriot.  Is that true?

Assuminh it is, should we infer that, if his fiancée was Fijian instead, then Fiji would have been the best country for opening the first bitcoin bank?   Huh
I don't see a problem with that.
Obviously if you know someone somewhere, you get connections easier.
And if that "somewhere" happens to be a fertile place for business, good for you.
hero member
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April 06, 2014, 01:42:59 PM
I learned only these days, through this forum, that Mr. Brewster's fiancée is Cypriot.  Is that true?

Assuminh it is, should we infer that, if his fiancée was Fijian instead, then Fiji would have been the best country for opening the first bitcoin bank?   Huh
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