Topic: neoscrypt algo for ccminer and nvidia card: call for donation - page 12. (Read 33755 times)

@Carl......go away please.

@djm

Just sent a small 0.01 donation to the cause  tx 1361580efb32f8a5a9dfa2d2098b52e6fd2a85b31ad4430be2f3cd85ed4235fc

As always thanks for your efforts.

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"you'll get it, minus a trolling fee (because while I was sleeping, you clearly tried to derail the thread ) Grin"

Wow, this is so low. Are you from Romania or something?

thats kool ...

we KNOW what you said djm ... hence the reason WE dont have an issue - and 'some' others do ...

just keep at it and keep it cracking ... the majority of us are behind you on this ...

#crysx

@Carl Sagan Please delete your btc address, I don't want mprep to lock this thread. thx  Keep up the good work djm.  

second that ...

in fact - i third that too ...

#crysx

And loads of people who appreciate whatever you're doing for the community Don't forget about us

the power/gpu dev troll is back  (bensam is just pissed off at me and wolf0 because we told him that it was stupid to develop a crippled miner working at half the speed for half the power usage... as he can do that by clocking down his card... so it is a bit funny that know he accuses us to developed crippled miner ...)
I never said "gimmie BTC and I give you this miner at a given speed"
I said, I will release a neoscrypt miner for nvidia as none exist at the moment for nvidia when a certain amount of donation has been met.
also I never made any promises on the speed, current speed has been given (several time, as it is still a work in progress). 

regarding the %fee on miner, which in my opinion has a lot more to do with taxation than crowdfunding, it would be a lot more profitable for us (gpu dev) to do this, however it means no more opensourcing (and complete rewrite of the code to not be bound to GPL anymore... + fully crypted exe to avoid cheater... )
Also you'll get others unhappy troll... and in the current state of crypto not sure it makes any sense anymore.

actually no matter what we do and how we do it, there will be always someone to complain...

you'll get it, minus a trolling fee (because while I was sleeping, you clearly tried to derail the thread )

and for info ltcgear current state is closer to a collapsed ponzi than anything else as they didn't pay anything since a month (I know I have ltcgear shares...  ) so right now there are no fpga for neoscrypt...

Ehem, You have the address... Where is the money?

To remind you: 17Y4dms9eqXpyX89osnevce6D5q9BwW2ad

more mining and donation coming sp ...

your latest version of ccminer is running SMOOTH ...

#crysx

djm34 will opensource his work if the bounty is met. Me and Klaust and probobly others will try to optimize it further as we have done with the other algos. Lyra has been optimized 12% in the ccminer sp-mod, from the inital version. We are working hard to give you more hash, and to make the game fair. Donate some beers, and get more hash
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So now you're playing semantics with the word donation and buying?

I'd say the majority of the people in this thread see 'donating' as crowd funding this product, not pissing away their money to hopes and dreams of someone who doesn't care that much about them.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for paying for something, but I see something like this as another scam. He could very well be giving you guys a half hash rate miner and selling one that hashes twice as fast to his big clientele, which will make this miner obsolete in like a month as all the AMD miners with a inferior hashrate and power draw are pushed off the market and all you're left facing off against are the other 'big' Nvidia miners with double the hashrate of you... which you can't compete with.

Djm said he didn't want to do a miner with a fee because people would tear the code out of it. There are a lot of ways to crowd fund something. He could release this, along with a 2% miner and says when he reaches the next X donation amount (based off income from the miner), he'll release a updated version.

People can do things like a % miner and it does work, that's true crowd funding there and it's not the dick it to the small guy way of doing things Wolf0 is doing. Anyone can help participate no matter how big or small.

But people seem to think once this is released, that's where development will end and this will be a good kernel/miner till the end of time. That's not the way it works. There are no guarantees, no promises, you don't even know what he has going on in the background or what he's planning to do. Shops like LTCgear have went under and they look pretty reputable. There is no shop or storefront, just a forum thread that says 'gimmie BTC and I give you this miner at this speed kthxbai'.

You can directly compare what's happening right now with x11(and variants) to what Claymore did with his miner and see how different it is. This isn't remotely professional.

i agree ... there is NOTHING that stops him or any other doing that ...

but thats the difference between BUYING the miner and DONATING to something that YOU believe is going to be a product that you are going to use ...

i understand your point - i just dont agree with it ...

its OUR choice whether we want to DONATE or walk away ... im donating ... and if i get screwed in the process - then its MY decision and you can come back and taunt ...

until then - i am dreaming of a neoscrypt miner that is better than the neoscrypt miners i have running at the moment ... its a dream - but its MINE ... and im willing to DONATE for it ...

this means i run the risk of losing the money that i WANTED to throw away in the first place ... u know - DONATION ....

now off to build more of my farm ... i have some 750ti cards that need to get going ... and working tanx to the devs that made the mining optimizations possibly for x11 in the first place ...

hehehe ...

#crysx

Dude, because you don't know what he's selling you. There is no proof that he's selling you the best version of his miner. There is no proof that he's not selling you a widdled down version of his miner. There is nothing saying he wont continue to improve this miner and sell it again. There is nothing saying someone else wont simply say they have a better (or him on a alt account) after this is done and ask for more money.

Read my whole post in it's entirety before you reply. I definitely didn't say he wasn't selling the kernel. I'm sure he will and would, that's not all there is to it though. I also never said I wanted anything for free and would encourage both Djm and Wolf0 to open a thread detailing their wares or a actual storefront which we could buy from - but they aren't going to do that, because then they need to compete, and then they need to continue supporting their products in addition to improving them, you also then know what's available on the market.

how? because he is NOT SELLING the miner ... he is selling his HARD WORK that he put into the optimizations of the miner ... SHEESH!

and we are NOT talking about a one off dev that has his head up his backside ... this djm ... respected ... unlike some of the rabble thats here and there in these forums ...

here is an idea ... the sourcecode is FREE ... go download it and do a better job and stop hassling people ...

hmmm ... nice idea that ...

#crysx

Yup, and what's stopping him from improving it and selling it again or making sure this doesn't become obsolete immediately? Who is to say it's not already obsolete? What version of his miner does he promise to sell? There is no agreement he can't simply sell a better version and shiv you the moment this is released. You don't even know if he's giving you the best version. This may be a shitty version of his already better miner.

That's the problem with these unprofessional and backwater deals. Nothing here is transparent, you're just giving him BTC for whatever he's willing to throw on the floor.

I don't have any problems paying for a service either. I used Claymore miner for quite awhile and I didn't mind paying the fee on it. The problem is these aren't 'services', you're basically donating and he'll give you whatever he wants. That's really the biggest problem with GPU mining right now are these trade you once, shiv you later private kernels that you may or may not even know exist. Claymore was a actual product I could look at, choose to use, and see continued improvement of.

There is no continued support or no constant effort put forth by the developer to keep this competitive with the market, other private kernels, or even his own kernels.


Once again this is not about paying devs for their time! It's about them not making a professional product and deciding to fuck you over every which way of sunday whenever they feel like it. Wolf0 said in another thread he doesn't even want to sell his kernels to people with less then 50 miners because he doesn't want to deal with them - even if they have the money. How is this remotely professional or even transparent enough that the community can even see it?

They don't want to make a thread or storefront of any shape or size because then it actually turns into a market (in addition to them having to put actual effort in). They then need to compete and actually try and of course attract other developers who will see this market and start developing as well. Competition. For how much they rant and rave about capitalism and getting paid for their work, they really don't like actually having to work and don't like the other less savy parts of capitalism, a open competitive market.

No I did not want to quote the post.

So should these devs work for free? I don't know for sure but I would guess they probably have not gotten 5 BTC in donations for supplying these miners.

Funny you should bring up Claymore. Of course he updates regularly. Wouldn't you when you get 5% (yes I know he drops the fee down eventually) of what is being mined by that miner. It is in his best interest to update. The faster miner's mine. The faster he gets income. And ask the Prime Coin miners how they felt about his updates once Monero became big. There are rumors floating in his threads that he made high 5 figures to low 6 figures for all his miners. And you know what, if he did good for him. He provided a product that people used.

And wolf. He has the ability to make a miner 20-50% or more faster. Why should he not be compensated for his time.

Same thing with these Nvidia devs. I have openly said I wished they could do the same but I guess prohibited from the license in the code. So djm34 is crowdfunding to make something available that is not available at this time. Should he do it for free?

If any of you go to work and do it for free then let me know. Better yet if something should be given for free, pm me and I will give you a BTC address and you can give me something for nothing. Because that is what is being said here.

Really though if anyone has issues then don't use the miners and make your own and this whole point is moot.

hear hear ... and +1 many times the btc its worth ...

well said ...

#crysx