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This is a fair point. But again the simplest thing would be to just get third party miners as suggested.


 FYI good job for all keeping things civil. There are certain people who I will name publicly (clenell) who hate that we are having a civil discussion. He keeps pming me and apparently others about how we are "sucking AMT's dick" Mostly referring to me really. I do happen to think having a civil discussion is necessary to get results. And AMT has been more forthcoming because of it. Hopefully now tho we get actual tangible results from it.

all of the "we want to make it right" talk, yet, their prices have not gone down, like every other competitor.  maybe $500-1000 on a $6000 rig, where the competition has cut their prices by half or more.

they still have the MPP up, catching more unsuspecting suckers.  if you are trying to do the right thing, take down the MPP page, or start making good on it.  that's what an ethical business would do.

i can understand being in business to make a profit.  that's the point of running a business.  but, there are ethical ways to do business, and there's this mess.  false advertising and price gouging.  

i know people don't have to pay those prices, and if they shop around, they would see the prices are way out of line.  but someone who is trying to remain competitive would lower them by a lot.  who in their right mind would pay $1500 for an 80GH rig with all of the lower cost, better performance options out there?  


the doubt and speculation of being a scam will not go away, until people start actually seeing your business operated in a manner that doesn't scream scam at the top of its lungs.  

it's really very simple.  nobody to blame but yourselves.  posts like this are not pulled out of the asses of random people, because "they are out to get you".  they are based on actual instances of people doing business with AMT, and getting screwed.

I do my best to keep it civil, but I will admit I start to get upset at the situation here. I don't curse because I know other ways to express myself. I try to be friends and help anyone I can, but there comes breaking point where I can't be a drinking buddy (I don't drink either) when there is an issue of owed money. I understand we are all upset in different ways, some more than others. Let's keep it all positive between ourselves, we have been through the ringer trying to obtain some kind of solution to our problem.

Ditto all around.
As for clenell, considering he is lawyered up already he should ask them about guidance regarding the laws against cyber harassment... A 'difference of opinion' and 'Freedom of Speech' is one thing - continued targeted harassment of people over it is a whole 'nother matter and in most locations is a civil offense. Report him to the Forum Admin at least.

This is a fair point. But again the simplest thing would be to just get third party miners as suggested.

 FYI good job for all keeping things civil. There are certain people who I will name publicly (clenell) who hate that we are having a civil discussion. He keeps pming me and apparently others about how we are "sucking AMT's dick" Mostly referring to me really. I do happen to think having a civil discussion is necessary to get results. And AMT has been more forthcoming because of it. Hopefully now tho we get actual tangible results from it.

Hello everyone,
I just noticed something very very interesting. On the AMT website, there are new, more in detail pictures of the lower power miners.
1. How could they possibly sell any of these for such a high price?
2. Why would they want to try to sell more of them if no one will buy them???
3. Does this mean that they're trying to make themselves look more professional?
4. Coincraft chip page is also updated and moved to the front of the list. Maybe they want to sell out all of the chips?
What do you guys think?

Also to AMT-
If you hadn't received my last message I will go with option 1. Please confirm. Thanks. (Order #1275)

@AMT

I understand that you were throwing out some ideas to get a feel for what people might find acceptable, but now the professional approach would be to choose which are most viable, then get out your list and your email machine, and starting at the top (lowest unfulfilled order # ) send out a n email with a detailed description of options and what each one will entail so you can get back on track and get this show on the road in the fairest possible manner.
I don't think a public forum is the place to book peoples preferences as I know of at least one customer in the upper 600's who doesn't fallow this forum and has not received any kind of response to his 3 non-harassing phone messages, left over the last several months.

if you don't plan on compensating people who have waited the longest with extra hash power at least make them your top #1 priority.

Thanks

Heck,  I got quoted from a Chinese manufacturer of coincraft A1 systems.... 1 THs for $2,000.  Bulk

wait what? what sucks? Our hardware? yes I would agree. The dragon miner would still command a much higher premium. I would rather have stable miners that work at their advertised rate than something that is overclocked and prone to failure. All said and done lets see where AMT weighs in on this. Hopefully its just to get replacement hardware to get us off their backs.

ALso the comment on the dragon miners is not workable. Again doing the math. The idea is to make this something that is a win-win for everyone. IF they go with this proposal, we would get two antminers for every 1.2THs miner bought which at the FULL retail would be 5198 for both....Thats 400 bucks they get to pocket...if they can work out some kind of bulk discount with bitmaintech......they get to pocket over 1k of the money we paid them......AND they fulfill the MPP at the same time by giving us 2Ths in the process. Its not a perfect solution but a much better one. The dragon miners are 2800....that is not a workable number here. The sweetspot would be for them to be able to gain something but also allow us to gain as well. This is the idea. Everyone wins. Again this is something AMT would have to weigh in on. Hopefully we hear from them tonight on this. It would be interesting to hear details on the individual options. I think really option 2 is the only viable one at any rate. Anything else is going to cost us or them more money to do. Option 1 still opens them up to legal issues as they are basically sending out hardware that is known to already be defective. The other options would be far too time consuming to implement.

At this point in the game, S2s are $2500 retail. Now minus coupons and bulk pricing, probably $2000 each 1T miner. This sucks ..

Thanks for understanding and agreeing guys, it means a lot. An even easier option than the s2 would be to get the Chinese dragon miners. I have some and they run great at 1th and seem to be the best price on the market. As low as $2800 a terahash seems pretty good to me... Much better than $6,000. I would accept 3 of these machines for the 2 terahash amt miners I have on order. 2800*3=8400. I spent 12000 with you and have lost revenue in the two months I could've been mining. But I'll take what I can get.

+1

Hence why if they are looking to do the right thing the best option is the bitmain s2's Since they would be buying them in bulk it would be simple to have them also shipped directly to the customers with outstanding complaints and zero out the obligation completely. Consider the fact that if they do that they can at least start over and do it right. Get the rest of us customers with issues off their backs.

Its dead simple. We get what we paid for plus a little extra on their end they pay ALOT less for each miner and we all walk away from this with something instead of negotiating subpar parts and assembly and less than what we got. Otherwise the situation just turns into something uglier for everyone and we all lose. But you are right Stan...they do need to do the right thing. And that means honoring the MPP...hence my suggestion for the Antminer S2s. easily the best option to run with to get this all done. After they fulfill that with existing customers they can get rid of the MPP and do what they wish from then on.

My question exactly.  with the changing MPP story, I'm getting close to the newly stated "mine with your machine for 6 months, and if it hasn't ROI'd we'll upgrade" point.  which is complete and utter BS, but still, which one is it?  the falsely advertised one, or the new one that was made up to buy another 6 months?

The MAIN reason i made my purchase, was because of the MPP.  putting such an offer as a selling point, and then not following through on it is a perfect example of false advertising.

i started this post with the intention of being nice, since  the "nice" people  people get preferential treatment over those that make noise about wanting to get what they've paid for.  which also is complete BS.  

I really feel for you guys that are on the hook for many thousands of dollars.

the MPP was the only thing that made the extra cost of these miners "seem" like they would be worth it, and they are showing no signs of making good on that promise.  what does that say?

The new plan they've laid out is less than palatable.  I'd shit myself if that's what i was being told were the options for my $6000 spent.
If thy still have your money, they are using it to further their business, instead of making good to the orders already placed.  Why not ship what's been paid for, zero out the obligations and start over with what's left, if any.  if nothing left, then walk away and lick your wounds.

do the right thing AMT.  for once.  so far, not so good.

Hello everyone,
I just noticed something very very interesting. On the AMT website, there are new, more in detail pictures of the lower power miners.
1. How could they possibly sell any of these for such a high price?
2. Why would they want to try to sell more of them if no one will buy them???
3. Does this mean that they're trying to make themselves look more professional?
4. Coincraft chip page is also updated and moved to the front of the list. Maybe they want to sell out all of the chips?
What do you guys think?

Also to AMT-
If you hadn't received my last message I will go with option 1. Please confirm. Thanks. (Order #1275)