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June 06, 2014, 07:25:00 AM
A little while back, my 80GH/s model just basically exploded. I haven't bothered with trying to get proper compensation because my experience thus far has been terrible. Like everybody else, I am yet to receive my 1.2TH/s model which I ordered in December. And my 80GH/s model which I did actually receive in February, despite being essentially a really expensive paperweight; has been falling apart basically since I got it. The USB ports on BOTH boards came unsoldered, one then the other. The wiring must not have been proper gauge for the voltage because they have burned to a crisp. There were no power surges on that circuit, that I am aware of. It simply began to cook itself. The original configuration was honestly just retarded, I'm sorry. Both heatsinks were about a centimeter apart, facing each other, with fans blowing hot air onto one another.

I remember the first time I looked at it, I thought "I paid money for this? You'd think a $1500 machine would look a little more professional than this". The wires were fastened with electrical tape. There were wires all over the place with no organization of any kind. There was some odd configuration where the boards went into a third party 4-port USB hub, which was plugged into a smaller network card. Neither if which were fastened anywhere; just stuffed in the side. And to top it all off, the case fan was blowing the absurdly hot exhaust, straight onto the power supply. There was maybe 3cm (a little over an inch) of space for the exhaust. Terrible configuration planning, rather poor craftsmanship, horrible quality. Despite my disappointment, I remained polite and understanding, fixed the USB ports myself (because God forbid if I actually got assistance from AMT). I continued to be optimistic about my purchase, maybe to justify spending the money I did and not just being upset with myself.

But then one day, it just flat out exploded. I watched it happen. I moved the boards apart so there's about 2" of space between them so they didn't melt each other. I moved the power supply outside of the case, and took the top & bottom panels off and put it on it's side to allow proper ventilation. I even had two more computer case fans for added cooling, which were hooked up to a separate power supply. It ran like this for over a month, but all of this was apparently not enough. Mind you, I did all this work for an 80GH/s which makes, what? $80 a month (BEFORE added power consumption costs)? Anyway, one day, I was in my office. It was located on a shelf right below the A/C vent for even MORE cooling. I started to smell an odd metallic/static electricity smell. I looked up to see it begin to spark. Then I watched it literally explode and catch fire. The top board is all scorched, half the fuses are blown, and the wires were fried.

At that point, I had so wasted so much energy being upset about my 1.2TH STILL not having been delivered; that I just honestly didn't even care enough to put any more energy into this entire horrible situation I got myself into. This was at the end of March. I just accepted that the $7000+ that I was so eager to invest in AMT, was gone from my life never to return; and gave up. Even now, I still empathize some, because I have started businesses of my own and I know the challenges, but never in my life have I made such a terrible debacle out of any business. If I am going to attach my name with anything, I take all known measures to ensure that it will be something I am proud to be associated with. I am sorry to say this about fellow entrepreneurs because there needs to be more of us in this country, but in my experience; AMT is a poorly run company. It would seem that AMT was ill prepared to handle fulfilling their own claims. It would seem they did not take adequate preparations or precautions when starting their business, to ensure a quality experience for all.

This is flat out irresponsible. You cannot be hasty when starting a business, and it would seem that is what they did. It seems AMT wanted to cash in on the whole bitcoin thing when it was booming, and did not take necessary measures to ensure success. The classic eyes being bigger than the stomach. I am still just accepting that I have a bricked machine that was useless long before it exploded, as well as another $6000 that I will never see. Just letting any potential investors know that you probably want to stay away. I would avoid buying preorders from anywhere. Preorder business model for bitcoin miners just indicate that a few people with a little cash can brand a logo and do some web design, and don't have the funds to purchase the supplies outright and build it ahead of time. Especially in a market like bitcoins. NEVER go with a preorder. Everywhere I look I see situations like this.
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June 06, 2014, 07:23:42 AM
legendary
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June 06, 2014, 05:26:00 AM

Okay,  so after months of complaints and lack of responses you finally area accepting returns?

So what happens when the unit in returned?  When can we expect a new machine?

Is this the same kind of machine that is returned or will this be the Technobit version?

How long will it take for you to return a machine?

Wait... why are you just posting it here?  Should you not have a broadcast email to all your users?
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June 05, 2014, 10:02:33 PM
Sirminesalot - Does not mine a lot.



sad thing is... neither does AMT.

Neither does AMT is correct. Thank you clenell.

just pointing out the obvious.

It is obvious.

obvious you can't make a working miner?

Craig, as much as you would love us to get on your case, and get us all riled up, we wont.  And it is solely because of you that we have been delayed, had to spend money on lawyers, had to not focus on the business which caused the business to suffer. And when this all said and done, people will use your name as an adjective to describe the worst clients of the industry.  They'll say stuff like "this guy wont shut up, we probably have another lenell on our hands". Once our biggest fan, friend and colleague has turned against us.




How stupid do you think everyone else is? You're a scammer, caught in lies. Blaming a customer for problems caused by your incompetence? Really? You need to grow a pair, apologize and refund money to your customers. Or just run away and never talk to them again. Either way, end this garbage.
I completely agree. Own up to your mistakes.
sr. member
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June 05, 2014, 09:46:53 PM
Sirminesalot - Does not mine a lot.



sad thing is... neither does AMT.

Neither does AMT is correct. Thank you clenell.

just pointing out the obvious.

It is obvious.

obvious you can't make a working miner?

Craig, as much as you would love us to get on your case, and get us all riled up, we wont.  And it is solely because of you that we have been delayed, had to spend money on lawyers, had to not focus on the business which caused the business to suffer. And when this all said and done, people will use your name as an adjective to describe the worst clients of the industry.  They'll say stuff like "this guy wont shut up, we probably have another lenell on our hands". Once our biggest fan, friend and colleague has turned against us.




How stupid do you think everyone else is? You're a scammer, caught in lies. Blaming a customer for problems caused by your incompetence? Really? You need to grow a pair, apologize and refund money to your customers. Or just run away and never talk to them again. Either way, end this garbage.
hero member
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June 05, 2014, 09:26:29 PM
I may have said the 10th, but according to others it's mid-month or the 16th. But even so, why is AMT waiting, why not just call the lawyer and spill the beans on what they are going to do for us now? I live in North NJ, about an hour and 15 from IMET. I am sure IMET is not just going to give me some free parts.

Call IMET and ask to buy some boards for cost. IMET might love to get some money out of this disaster.

That actually might not be a terrible idea if we know the stuff works. The problem is its more money to piss away.....ROI and all that as has been stated. But not a terrible idea. Last resort situation....

As I understand it,  cost for IMET are just the components minus the A1 asic chips.  If that is the case and assuming they work as IMET has claimed, then it is certainly a deal.   

Go with that Carlos, hopefully it gets you somewhere. Wish you all the best of luck bud.

Unless you are going to share what was discussed with Josh on the phone, you are of no help. I'm sorry that you are so dense to see that since the beginning, Josh has been cherry picking people to talk to about his "plans to turn things around", instead of addressing all of the investors at once. Anyone who spent a dime with AMT, negative or not - deserves to be informed on what the plan to fix this shitstorm. I'm happy for you that Josh made you an AMT believer with his phone call to you, but most of us others left out in the dark aren't convinced.

Joshua plays favorites with users on this board, anyone that has something positive to say about AMT gets an update. Very similar to his "Anti-troll discount offer" at the beginning, real companies DO NOT conduct business this way.

Here's a question, maybe you can enlighten us. Josh GAVE away a free miner to Bruno for making the trip down to AMT HQ. Do you find that to be reasonable? Who paid for that miner??? What funds were used to build that miner??? Do you think it's OK for AMT to be giving away product for free, to get a positive review out of it?

I was ripping into AMT's bullshit business practices long before you showed up, and will continue to do so. The fact that Joshua Zipkin has become synonymous with FRAUD @ Google, makes it all the more sweeter. He will have a hard time trying to con potential investors in the future.


------HOPE YOU HAVE ALL DAY TO DELETE THESE POSTS JOSHY BOY--------

How long you have been here is irrelevant...what you did with that time tho....from post number 1 you were already hating. And you joined up a couple weeks week before I did...a little more than that. Feb 4th 2014 was your reg date. I joined up on the 26th of Feb...not LONG before....but you started out of the gate with nothing but your trolling. Well formatted too. very SEO. I am glad you acknowledge that. You have no motivation but a so called friend. No actual motivation. This must be one hell of a friend.... paying you, sexual favors perhaps? If so my comment stands that someone is paying you for this. Its clear from the obvious pattern of posts you have. Its the same thing OVER AND OVER again. Was not until I originally called you out to contribute that you even started but even then it was for failure for us. Now its all about going to jail....your posts are escalating.

The problem is you have NOTHING at stake here and you are giving extremely bad ideas that will hurt everyone here. In the process you are instigating more virtual mob mentality. So far you have been successful and I cant believe I didn't catch it before. Your SEO formatted posts only served contributed to ruin AMT which ultimately screwed us too as now they cant even get sales which MIGHT have been a way to get us back in shape sooner rather than go through all this shit.
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June 05, 2014, 08:30:20 PM
Friction, you are correct. They have all those miners. Perhaps I was the first to get one that "really" worked. It backfired, the miner got damaged and I guess they realized they should just keep all the miners and make Bitcoins due to the cost and problems with shipping mine.

So what about the 43 user's here that have yet to receive a miner?

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June 05, 2014, 08:06:33 PM
Friction, you are correct. They have all those miners. Perhaps I was the first to get one that "really" worked. It backfired, the miner got damaged and I guess they realized they should just keep all the miners and make Bitcoins due to the cost and problems with shipping mine.
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June 05, 2014, 06:46:38 PM
Sirminesalot - Does not mine a lot.



sad thing is... neither does AMT.

Neither does AMT is correct. Thank you clenell.

just pointing out the obvious.

It is obvious.

obvious you can't make a working miner?

Craig, as much as you would love us to get on your case, and get us all riled up, we wont.  And it is solely because of you that we have been delayed, had to spend money on lawyers, had to not focus on the business which caused the business to suffer. And when this all said and done, people will use your name as an adjective to describe the worst clients of the industry.  They'll say stuff like "this guy wont shut up, we probably have another lenell on our hands". Once our biggest fan, friend and colleague has turned against us.

Let's make something clear here. The delays are not solely because of Craig. If miners wouldn't have been delayed and such (no need to go into the details that we all know) no lawsuit would've been filed. The reason why everyone is so unhappy is because of the lies. If you would've just told us through email and other forms of communication, I think that people would've been much more supportive. What about the clients not on this forum??? What are they thinking??? They have no clue what's going on. The business is "suffering" because of the countless lies that were told and you refusing to be transparent. That business SHOULD suffer because that is no way to run a business. Unfortunately it has to be like this and there's noting we the customer of amt can do.
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June 05, 2014, 04:27:19 PM
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Yes we have admitted to having tons of non working boards.
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I find it hard to believe that the boards don't work. I was able to get my miner working, although it was only 2 boards out of the 5 (maybe not all ASIC are mining) 350Gh/s. The point is it does work. How is it that I could get them to work, but not you AMT? The other 3 boards are smashed up.
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I had 2 of five boards working for a few days then not so much. I'm think it's likely they are sitting on pile of boards that likely will die out shortly. I'd not call that a working product.

My boards are still working, I have been running them for a while now. Is there a way to show total running hours? My trick was not changing anything but the username.

I don't have a way, I should have been keeping track. I thought the boards that were hashing would continue to do so. I just figured I got some dead boards. I didn't realize they were slowly dying on me. Which is unfortunate. So with very little exception I've been without working hardware. I think I mined like $30 bucks worth. Then put it in to pb mining. so at least now I'm hashing away at 52 ghash versus nothing. So maybe the price will go astronomical.

How do you know PB mining will stay in business if the price of bitcoin does go astronomical?


I don't, but I don't have a huge store of value in there right now. I bought most of that with the three usb stick miners I was using in september. I'd bought them for $30 total mined with them. Worked the couple days with the amt miner. Now I can just used that bit for the time being and it auto pays out on sundays.

I'd have to think about it differently if I had a TH or two in there.
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June 05, 2014, 04:05:52 PM
Seriously guys, is it so hard to use quote tags properly or reply without quoting 15 levels of embedded quotes each time you want to say something?

Here is a tutorial:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrqLv__bFzk
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June 05, 2014, 03:56:32 PM
Sirminesalot - Does not mine a lot.



sad thing is... neither does AMT.

Are you certain about that?  Does AMT have bitcoin miner assets that they are not revealing?  

A total of 60 miners were delivered by IMET to AMT.

Here is a an incomplete list:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=463922.0

Which counts to 48 1.2 TH/s miners in the order list.   4 520 GH/s ... equivalent to 2-3 miners.  1 miner donated to Phin.

8 miners not accounted for in the list.  

Out of the 48 + 4 miners,  how many were shipped and working?



Where did you come up with that number, just wondering.

Maybe you should devulge the actual numbers?

It is beginning to look like you may have kept the working miners for yourselves and shipped all the broken ones to customers.  

You could only afford 60 miners total (strike that,  you couldn't.... you sent IMET a bad check).  Anyway, 300 boards were delivered to AMT (you said it yourself).   So clearly there are miners in the original list that are not accounted for or alternatively you kept those working miners for yourself.

Where are you getting these numbers from Carlos, your just pulling them out of your ass.  And it clearly looks like your trying to make it look like that.

You were delivered 300 boards by IMET (that's what you claim),  so you have around 60 miners to be delivered.  You did not deliver half of those miners,  as indicated by the order list.

Anyway,  the question is,  do you or do you not have miners that are mining on your behalf?  

Are you mining bitcoin using customers mining rigs?

What are you talking about dude, you've lost it. We have not mentioned numbers. Where are you getting your numbers from?

Well you did not give exact numbers but you did reveal approximate numbers.   300 boards right?

IMET is obviously on the forum, why don't you ask them.

You already told me, 1/3rd of 900 boards were delivered before you ran off with a bounced check.

Now how can you tell me how many miners you shipped to customers?  

Based on this list,  you only delivered 11 miners.  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=580180

You have not delivered around 49 miners.   43 miners are on the list of not having been delivered to customers.

That leaves 6 miners unaccounted for in the list.

Yet...  we are still speaking about 49 miners here that you have sitting in your premised.  You mean to tell me they are all not working?





No one told you that.
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June 05, 2014, 03:54:02 PM
Sirminesalot - Does not mine a lot.



sad thing is... neither does AMT.

Are you certain about that?  Does AMT have bitcoin miner assets that they are not revealing?  

A total of 60 miners were delivered by IMET to AMT.

Here is a an incomplete list:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=463922.0

Which counts to 48 1.2 TH/s miners in the order list.   4 520 GH/s ... equivalent to 2-3 miners.  1 miner donated to Phin.

8 miners not accounted for in the list.  

Out of the 48 + 4 miners,  how many were shipped and working?



Where did you come up with that number, just wondering.

Maybe you should devulge the actual numbers?

It is beginning to look like you may have kept the working miners for yourselves and shipped all the broken ones to customers.  

You could only afford 60 miners total (strike that,  you couldn't.... you sent IMET a bad check).  Anyway, 300 boards were delivered to AMT (you said it yourself).   So clearly there are miners in the original list that are not accounted for or alternatively you kept those working miners for yourself.

Where are you getting these numbers from Carlos, your just pulling them out of your ass.  And it clearly looks like your trying to make it look like that.

You were delivered 300 boards by IMET (that's what you claim),  so you have around 60 miners to be delivered.  You did not deliver half of those miners,  as indicated by the order list.

Anyway,  the question is,  do you or do you not have miners that are mining on your behalf?  

Are you mining bitcoin using customers mining rigs?

What are you talking about dude, you've lost it. We have not mentioned numbers. Where are you getting your numbers from?

Well you did not give exact numbers but you did reveal approximate numbers.   300 boards right?

IMET is obviously on the forum, why don't you ask them.

You already told me, 1/3rd of 900 boards were delivered before you ran off with a bounced check.

Now how can you tell me how many miners you shipped to customers?  

Based on this list,  you only delivered 11 miners.  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=580180

You have not delivered around 49 miners.   43 miners are on the list of not having been delivered to customers.

That leaves 6 miners unaccounted for in the list.

Yet...  we are still speaking about 49 miners here that you have sitting in your premised.  You mean to tell me they are all not working?

When you look at the numbers,  it is just insane that even of the 11 you delivered almost 90% of them don't work. 

Did you not test them prior to delivery?
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June 05, 2014, 03:46:43 PM
Sirminesalot - Does not mine a lot.



sad thing is... neither does AMT.

Are you certain about that?  Does AMT have bitcoin miner assets that they are not revealing?  

A total of 60 miners were delivered by IMET to AMT.

Here is a an incomplete list:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=463922.0

Which counts to 48 1.2 TH/s miners in the order list.   4 520 GH/s ... equivalent to 2-3 miners.  1 miner donated to Phin.

8 miners not accounted for in the list.  

Out of the 48 + 4 miners,  how many were shipped and working?



Where did you come up with that number, just wondering.

Maybe you should devulge the actual numbers?

It is beginning to look like you may have kept the working miners for yourselves and shipped all the broken ones to customers.  

You could only afford 60 miners total (strike that,  you couldn't.... you sent IMET a bad check).  Anyway, 300 boards were delivered to AMT (you said it yourself).   So clearly there are miners in the original list that are not accounted for or alternatively you kept those working miners for yourself.

Where are you getting these numbers from Carlos, your just pulling them out of your ass.  And it clearly looks like your trying to make it look like that.

You were delivered 300 boards by IMET (that's what you claim),  so you have around 60 miners to be delivered.  You did not deliver half of those miners,  as indicated by the order list.

Anyway,  the question is,  do you or do you not have miners that are mining on your behalf?  

Are you mining bitcoin using customers mining rigs?

What are you talking about dude, you've lost it. We have not mentioned numbers. Where are you getting your numbers from?

Well you did not give exact numbers but you did reveal approximate numbers.   300 boards right?

IMET is obviously on the forum, why don't you ask them.
sr. member
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June 05, 2014, 03:43:35 PM
Sirminesalot - Does not mine a lot.



sad thing is... neither does AMT.

Neither does AMT is correct. Thank you clenell.

just pointing out the obvious.

It is obvious.

obvious you can't make a working miner?

Craig, as much as you would love us to get on your case, and get us all riled up, we wont.  And it is solely because of you that we have been delayed, had to spend money on lawyers, had to not focus on the business which caused the business to suffer. And when this all said and done, people will use your name as an adjective to describe the worst clients of the industry.  They'll say stuff like "this guy wont shut up, we probably have another lenell on our hands". Once our biggest fan, friend and colleague has turned against us.


reap what you sow zipkin. plow time is coming. i promise.


Plow time? So you want to plow us now? Careful now, that can be misconstrued as sexual harassment buddy. God knows we have the voicemails left on Josh's phone from your number threatening his family. "where's my money josh, i'm gonna come get you, i'm gonna come into your home and find you where you sleep, i'm gonna get you!".
sr. member
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June 05, 2014, 03:37:24 PM
Sirminesalot - Does not mine a lot.



sad thing is... neither does AMT.

Neither does AMT is correct. Thank you clenell.

just pointing out the obvious.

It is obvious.

obvious you can't make a working miner?

Craig, as much as you would love us to get on your case, and get us all riled up, we wont.  And it is solely because of you that we have been delayed, had to spend money on lawyers, had to not focus on the business which caused the business to suffer. And when this all said and done, people will use your name as an adjective to describe the worst clients of the industry.  They'll say stuff like "this guy wont shut up, we probably have another lenell on our hands". Once our biggest fan, friend and colleague has turned against us.


reap what you sow zipkin.


You are one of the main reasons we are all in this mess. Go back to your corner and stop annoying the hell out of your counsel.
sr. member
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June 05, 2014, 03:27:37 PM
Sirminesalot - Does not mine a lot.



sad thing is... neither does AMT.

Neither does AMT is correct. Thank you clenell.

just pointing out the obvious.

It is obvious.

obvious you can't make a working miner?

Craig, as much as you would love us to get on your case, and get us all riled up, we wont.  And it is solely because of you that we have been delayed, had to spend money on lawyers, had to not focus on the business which caused the business to suffer. And when this all said and done, people will use your name as an adjective to describe the worst clients of the industry.  They'll say stuff like "this guy wont shut up, we probably have another lenell on our hands". Once our biggest fan, friend and colleague has turned against us.


reap what you sow zipkin. plow time is coming. i promise.
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June 05, 2014, 03:24:41 PM
Even though you have 9/10, my point is some of the board still work. I have 2 that works out of 5. While it may be 10%-40% of the boards that work, some still may work is my point.  The only reason the 3 other cards don't work is because they were smashed in shipping. My point is some of the cards are still able to mine.

Some of them yes, about 10-20% of the production passed all test and were shipped to clients. The rest went to the bone yard.
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June 05, 2014, 03:20:16 PM
Sirminesalot - Does not mine a lot.



sad thing is... neither does AMT.

Are you certain about that?  Does AMT have bitcoin miner assets that they are not revealing?  

A total of 60 miners were delivered by IMET to AMT.

Here is a an incomplete list:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=463922.0

Which counts to 48 1.2 TH/s miners in the order list.   4 520 GH/s ... equivalent to 2-3 miners.  1 miner donated to Phin.

8 miners not accounted for in the list.  

Out of the 48 + 4 miners,  how many were shipped and working?



Where did you come up with that number, just wondering.

Maybe you should devulge the actual numbers?

It is beginning to look like you may have kept the working miners for yourselves and shipped all the broken ones to customers.  

You could only afford 60 miners total (strike that,  you couldn't.... you sent IMET a bad check).  Anyway, 300 boards were delivered to AMT (you said it yourself).   So clearly there are miners in the original list that are not accounted for or alternatively you kept those working miners for yourself.

Where are you getting these numbers from Carlos, your just pulling them out of your ass.  And it clearly looks like your trying to make it look like that.

You were delivered 300 boards by IMET (that's what you claim),  so you have around 60 miners to be delivered.  You did not deliver half of those miners,  as indicated by the order list.

Anyway,  the question is,  do you or do you not have miners that are mining on your behalf?  

Are you mining bitcoin using customers mining rigs?

What are you talking about dude, you've lost it. We have not mentioned numbers. Where are you getting your numbers from?

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