Topic: Nominate (insert name here) to the default trust list - page 10. (Read 15588 times)

I never said that's the main reason, It's one of them. I do know about other users and I do trust them, I know some of them from past 5-6 years. I know if they got any issues in future they will pay from their own pocket but I can't say the same thing about you.
I'm not sure why did you even asked me those questions if you didn't had any issue, I do trust Benson alot but even he is not on my trust list.

Ps: We did only 3 online trades, I've paid you instantly except one case which I'm not sure happened with you or someone else in which I've sent funds to a wrong guy due to nickname issues, It was my mistake and I transferred funds to correct account immediately after I realized it.


Maybe you are sleepy.  I referred him as "my customer" not "my personal or private customer" since I did deals with him when you were not even registered on this forum.
Frankly he wouldn't have done deal with you If I didn't referred him to you, you can still ask him about that. He called me and asked about you before doing first deal.

Anyways I do not want to hijack this thread so I'm out.

Hahah I have good laugh.

First of all no one is your personal customer you can say that your known person.
And from your that customer I did trade many times after that. And he did by mistake sent me 10 lac INR(more then 15k $) because of we were dealing through 3rd person and was not doing direct deal and I did deal for 20 BTC trade and he sent me fund for 50 BTC so it was not my mistake.
And after that I returned all his fund because he did not want 20 BTC.

If it was someone else who had any bad intention then try to scam. But I did called him directly and said him show me your account details and give me details I did sent him all funds after that.

P.S. I also don't have any personal issue with you.

Glad that you admitted that by yourself.
And yes I agree, the way this trust system IS being used is to tell people if someone is trustworthy or not the way it was intended to be used - which was to show who's a genuine trader vs who is not.

The fact that a lot of people who have had NO financial transaction with you have vouched for you and based on that vouch you can paint someone 'trustworthy' or 'untrustworthy' is downright disgusting.

I am not against the way the forum is run, and yes someone might just say if I have so much problem with this place then why dont I leave it. But to those people I'll say very honestly that I LOVE the bitcoin world and I love what this forum has done for me. I would rather want to help the forum members interact here in a positive way with no cheap tricks to gain 'sainthood'.

So yes when I receive a 'trust score' I am furious ~ less furious if it is a green, perhaps even a tad bit happy ~ as to why anyone should be trusted based on someone else's reference ? Similarly when I dont receive a trust score I am furious because I want to know what makes me 'unworthy' or 'unequal' to all the people who have received a trust point.

If you are trading with someone and worry about the positive trust you are receiving from them then you are doing something wrong. The reason why you should trade with someone is because you have a need for what they have and they have a need for what you have.

Not only that but we do not have a trade feedback system, we have a trust feedback system. You should receive feedback based on trust not trades. A good portion of the feedback I have received from people I have not traded with. Also it is pretty rare that I leave feedback for someone after a single trade, especially if I risked nothing.

I understand your point. Obviously who you want to trust & not to trust has to be your choice.

But the whole topic of this post here is about people using the trust page (not you) as a tool to show who's boss around here instead of reflecting someone's trade history.

I can like North Korea, have shark fin soups, worship Hitler and create 'Death to America' banners but thats me & my personality which does not warrant the fact that I am here to scam anyone, most people here are using the trust page as a way to express their personal grudge against someone else instead. This is apart from all the other abuse of this system that has happened over the time since the system was implemented.

To me this just makes no sense.

Besides in a trade even if someone was an acting escrow the trade is still between 2 people. No one is obligated to send someone rep points but they should - ethically. But like I said I understand your point as well.

Lol, after removing me from DT did I ever tell you to add me. Nope. I asked you when I was not DT in beginning because I trust you and and you also trust me that is why you put me on your trust list. I do trade on currency exchange so it's easy to mark scammer. and you know this I did sent you always first even you messed up many times. But that was not that big deal.

Everyone put some limit to every trader. No one do unlimited trade blindly even you trust someone at any level.

I told you to not sent first because It was big deal and you told me to come your way or you will find other seller and I told you ok find other seller. So it's not my mistake you show the arrogance by saying that either agree to my TOS or you will find other and I said ok go find other seller.
After that you wrote me message ok I don't trust you don't trust me.

But you can also asked me that I will come to your house and will provide cash but you did not asked me. If you remember you once came to my house so I did not had any problem if you want to come to my house.

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You are buying and selling skrill and multiple other currencies which does not allows bitcoin trades or exchanges. [/quote]

lol, If I show you on your trust list who also dealing on skrill or other exchange currency. It's just excuse don't mixup these thing.

You removed me I accepted that it's ok but don't give bullshit excuse.

P.S. We did twice face to face deals and many through bank accounts.

You did not read my next post where I clearly said I did not refer to you about giving freely feedback.

Tell me one thing why you removed me. Either I was/am doing risky business or I was inactive on forum.

Neither I was doing risky business nor I was inactive on forum and that is you know. Because I did not sent you that 30-40 BTC first so you removed me from your trust list after that.

I told you we will doing face to face trade, but you were in hurry and I did not sent that BTC. After that you removed me.
So I was doing risky business or you were doing.

@red: Thanks for proving it. But I don't get why was it necessary to waste your 2 cents on an irrelevant fact.

@bold: I don't know how gender becomes a joke.  The forum should have a warning regarding this if it does matter.

If you don't respect any woman as you respect your mom/sister, I don't have any words to say. The least I expect people to respect each other regardless of their gender as they are then called gender biased.

I hope that you hadn't made this a joke and kindly delete your post from here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/quicksellers-feedback-on-my-account-1065347 as it is nowhere related to my thread.

No reason why you should know why Pankaj did or did not do certain thing. The feedback issue was not really of dire importance to me until you mentioned it here. If indeed he hasnt left a rating because of his DT status then it is a sad issue.

I don't know why Escrow.ms did not gave you feedback.

BTW I did not referred Escrow.ms when I talked DT user give feedback without thinking. Even sometime I msg'd the DT user that don't give newbie trust feedback without thinking because they are misusing.

I dont think of my mother when I think of boobies. I just proved that you are not a girl. If all the women in the world were my mothers and sister who'd I choose to procreate with ?

(Its a joke take it likely, your gender is of no interest to me)

Is that the reason why Escrow.ms has instantly left a feedback for Benson (who acted as an escrow) but none for me ?

That is a very gross misuse of power. I specifically chose to do the deal with him despite getting your offer chronologically first - to get a trade rating from him. But I didnt get it, not even a reference on my rep trade which I have already asked him to do twice.

Maybe he hasnt got the time to do it yet but if he could rep up Benson he could have repped up me as well.

All the more reason I am starting to hate this DT power trippers.
Also doing another trade currently where Ognasty is the escrow, lets see if he does the same thing.


This just goes to show you that how a 'fake' feedback left as a personal grudge from Johniewalker has still affected me from 'smoothly' doing business with people without having to worry about being blamed for scamming or running away. This is despite 2 + years on this forum and more than $2000+ in trade value.

What do you mean? If/not I am a girl, your mother too is a girl/women? I'm a human and this thing isn't related to your post.

but but boobies !! YOU ARE A GIRL !!!

Some people really very obsessive about default trust. I know many DT member who even did not think when they give feedback to newbie who did even 10$ trade. I saw so many newbie, who always try to trade with those DT members so they will gain so many feedback without doing much or spending time here on forum.

That is why when I was on DT trusted by Escrow.ms later he removed me. I always try to don't give feedback to specially newbie till they won't do 3-4 genuine trade with me, not because when they trade 3-4 times I will give them feedback.

That is why I always prefer we can only allow to give 1 feedback to 1 account it will reduce so much stress from DT. Because they know they can only give 1 feedback so they will give when they will think other guy is really good to get those feedback and respect that feedback.

 

I absolutely agree with this statement. Just because any user is a scam buster or is known for outing scammers, the user shouldn't be considered trustworthy himself and be blindly trusted. People have been doing this just to earn trust which can prove out to be very dangerous in the coming days. Nobody is selfless to continue doing good without a motive behind and definitely they want something in return for this. After all, cops themselves get arrested if they commit any crime.

Lending money and acting as an escrow are the easiest methods to gain trust on this forum and this gets them added faster to the DF trust system (and then they want to remain there all their life).

After tradefortess, I really hope no other DF trust member turns out to be a scammer.

Well yeah that is a fair point, but they do 'deserve' to showcase their trade experience / seniority here over other members, but that has to be in a way that does not encourage the use of the 'Trust page'.

In my opinion default trust should be given to those most active and most trustworthy on the forum. Beesbrothers aren't THAT active here. Are they trustworthy? Yes. But they are not active enough to watch over those they have on their trust list and ultimately have given default trust to if they were on the default trust tier one. That is where I was going with that post.

You are missing the whole point, this post opposes giving trust points to scam busting. Scam busting is ethically wrong and is a short cut to gain massive amounts of trust without doing anything other than trolling around playing pretend cop.

Users should be encouraged to trade with even the most trusted people like Theymos / John K with one eye opened. The moment you introduce the age old 'reference' system it is a cocktail of disaster because then you are simply encouraging people to blindly trust the 'most trusted' person - who could turn out to be a scammer. Example : Tradefortress.

But then the post will lose it's seriousness. The real reason behind holding a 'fun poll' is to promote a 'serious cause' i.e. the failure of the trust score system.

Now stop butt hurting cuz you're not on my list