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FIAT LIBERTAS RVAT CAELVM
November 08, 2012, 07:01:56 PM

Well, the first revolutionary war wouldn't have happened if George had simply said, "OK, you guys do your thing, and we'll do ours. Good luck, and all that." Neither would the second if Abe had said the same. It is the nature of rulers to rule. Allowing people to do their own thing, if it so pleases them, is the nature of leaders. When Abe said "No, you're part of the union, you're not going anywhere," he effectively ended the experiment in freedom which was the United States. The irony is that he did it, ostensibly, in the name of freedom.

True. It's probably just a matter of semantics but George (amongst others) "owned" the colonies whereas the Union was a union of the individual states. At least until ol' Abe got going.

Owned in the sense that they had drawn lines on a map. Did anyone ask the people who were already there?
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1RichyTrEwPYjZSeAYxeiFBNnKC9UjC5k
November 08, 2012, 06:30:19 PM

Well, the first revolutionary war wouldn't have happened if George had simply said, "OK, you guys do your thing, and we'll do ours. Good luck, and all that." Neither would the second if Abe had said the same. It is the nature of rulers to rule. Allowing people to do their own thing, if it so pleases them, is the nature of leaders. When Abe said "No, you're part of the union, you're not going anywhere," he effectively ended the experiment in freedom which was the United States. The irony is that he did it, ostensibly, in the name of freedom.

True. It's probably just a matter of semantics but George (amongst others) "owned" the colonies whereas the Union was a union of the individual states. At least until ol' Abe got going.
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November 08, 2012, 05:21:46 PM
I believe there will be a point where all labor jobs will be completely eliminated. This is why I believe education should be important and those people who worked in labor could study something else and get a higher level job.

Don't confuse education with intelligence. I know a lot of well educated idiots, that would more more useful doing manual labor.

Education should be no more important than it is useful.
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FIAT LIBERTAS RVAT CAELVM
November 08, 2012, 04:27:53 PM
Thus everyone could live where they would feel closer to their views.

That was the idea in the US. The Federal government was to do little more than protect our rights. You could pick a state that more more closely reflected your views. That all basically ended with the civil war.

You mean the Second American Revolution?

Not really so much a revolution as arguably seceding was a legal option. "Federal conquest" maybe?

Well, the first revolutionary war wouldn't have happened if George had simply said, "OK, you guys do your thing, and we'll do ours. Good luck, and all that." Neither would the second if Abe had said the same. It is the nature of rulers to rule. Allowing people to do their own thing, if it so pleases them, is the nature of leaders. When Abe said "No, you're part of the union, you're not going anywhere," he effectively ended the experiment in freedom which was the United States. The irony is that he did it, ostensibly, in the name of freedom.
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November 08, 2012, 04:18:23 PM
Thus everyone could live where they would feel closer to their views.

That was the idea in the US. The Federal government was to do little more than protect our rights. You could pick a state that more more closely reflected your views. That all basically ended with the civil war.

You mean the Second American Revolution?

Not really so much a revolution as arguably seceding was a legal option. "Federal conquest" maybe?
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November 08, 2012, 03:52:12 PM
Thus everyone could live where they would feel closer to their views.
That was the idea in the US. The Federal government was to do little more than protect our rights. You could pick a state that more more closely reflected your views. That all basically ended with the civil war.
So in the end people ended it.
Well most people are also voting on the lack of knowledge. It seems to me that whenever president talks about religion ppl like him. Shouldn't be the government controlled by logical assumptions?
Also so many people want a president who could create jobs. Well. I believe there will be a point where all labor jobs will be completely eliminated. This is why I believe education should be important and those people who worked in labor could study something else and get a higher level job. Interesting point not everyone wants to do that. I worked in retail for minimum wage (still do not as much though) while going to school because obviously I couldn't get anything better. I've met so many people who doesn't want education and they just want to work where they don't have to think. O_o
It seems that with progression of our technology we are just moving closer to that line. One day we could possibly create ai as ours, I could see ai controlling the government (people) because everything they do will be based on logic and it's results.
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FIAT LIBERTAS RVAT CAELVM
November 08, 2012, 01:46:30 PM
Thus everyone could live where they would feel closer to their views.

That was the idea in the US. The Federal government was to do little more than protect our rights. You could pick a state that more more closely reflected your views. That all basically ended with the civil war.

You mean the Second American Revolution?

The Failed revolution?

Mmmhm.
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November 08, 2012, 01:34:53 PM
Thus everyone could live where they would feel closer to their views.

That was the idea in the US. The Federal government was to do little more than protect our rights. You could pick a state that more more closely reflected your views. That all basically ended with the civil war.

You mean the Second American Revolution?

The Failed revolution?
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FIAT LIBERTAS RVAT CAELVM
November 08, 2012, 11:07:59 AM
Thus everyone could live where they would feel closer to their views.

That was the idea in the US. The Federal government was to do little more than protect our rights. You could pick a state that more more closely reflected your views. That all basically ended with the civil war.

You mean the Second American Revolution?
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November 08, 2012, 11:06:22 AM
Thus everyone could live where they would feel closer to their views.

That was the idea in the US. The Federal government was to do little more than protect our rights. You could pick a state that more more closely reflected your views. That all basically ended with the civil war.
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November 08, 2012, 05:21:57 AM
That is what I have been trying to explain earlier, with american voting system in place there is really no chance for other candidates.
And as I wanted to vote for someone else the choice really stood up between 2.  Undecided
Gary Johnson (libertarian) was on the ballot.  I voted for him.  There ARE other choices.  The media won't tell you that, but the media is bought and paid for like most of the federal government.
M
I guess what I was trying to say more is that voted don't really count do they, but states do. There were a lot of votes for Johnson but no actual states gave him points.
But since we have colonized all possible space on this planet, we shall move to another planet and spit it into other political parties. Thus everyone could live where they would feel closer to their views. '
I really believe colonizing another planet could be in our lifetime..(my lifetime???)
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November 07, 2012, 11:49:42 PM
I voted for M'Johnson. M'Johnson can slip past the taint of corruption and into the flowery land of goodness better than Obama or Romney.

Dirty joke for dirty tyrants.
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November 07, 2012, 10:43:02 PM
I can't believe so many people voted for either of these guys.  America, you deserve what you're getting.

M
That is what I have been trying to explain earlier, with american voting system in place there is really no chance for other candidates.
And as I wanted to vote for someone else the choice really stood up between 2.  Undecided

Gary Johnson (libertarian) was on the ballot.  I voted for him.  There ARE other choices.  The media won't tell you that, but the media is bought and paid for like most of the federal government.

M
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November 07, 2012, 10:04:17 PM
I can't believe so many people voted for either of these guys.  America, you deserve what you're getting.

M
That is what I have been trying to explain earlier, with american voting system in place there is really no chance for other candidates.
And as I wanted to vote for someone else the choice really stood up between 2.  Undecided
legendary
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November 07, 2012, 09:59:48 PM
In your smug face Mitt Romney!

I can't believe so many people voted for either of these guys.  America, you deserve what you're getting.

M
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The North Remembers
November 07, 2012, 09:53:02 PM
In your smug face Mitt Romney!
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November 07, 2012, 12:35:54 AM
Ron Paul!

wait...


Who is neither an atheist nor bald.
zvs
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November 05, 2012, 07:36:37 AM
Ron Paul!

wait...

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Democracy is vulnerable to a 51% attack.
November 05, 2012, 12:27:05 AM
Credit to the American people

Give credit to the American people. I realized that they really don't mind if their president is a Mormon.  They would not mind if the president is pagan or Satan worshiper, as long as he/she is not a Muslim.
Well, he can't be an atheist either, nor can he be bald.
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FIAT LIBERTAS RVAT CAELVM
November 04, 2012, 01:15:24 PM

No, but I get a kick every time I hear her name.  Cheesy
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