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RicRock

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Quote from: mdude77 on October 18, 2012, 05:43:56 PM

Using that logic, we should have appointed congressmen and presidents too.

Atleast we have a choice between two clowns for president. We have no choice on federal judges, or the supreme court. Once they're in, they're in.

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Every representative/senator/president should be chosen randomly from "real" people... they'd do less damage on accident than a career politician does on purpose.

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Quote from: CoinDiver on October 19, 2012, 01:51:13 PM

Quote from: mdude77 on October 18, 2012, 05:43:56 PM

Using that logic, we should have appointed congressmen and presidents too.

That way people would understand they have no say in the matter. This is little more than a pretense of choice these days.

Actually, we still DO have a choice. Most are led to believe that they do not. Unlike countries like china, the people still have a say in the matter, if they choose to do so, and are educated enough to know so. The latter is the problem right now.

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Quote from: mdude77 on October 18, 2012, 05:43:56 PM

Using that logic, we should have appointed congressmen and presidents too.

That way people would understand they have no say in the matter. This is little more than a pretense of choice these days.

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You guys should really listen to today's No Agenda show.

http://feed.nashownotes.com/rss.xml

Watching these debates, so you don't have to.

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Quote from: mdude77 on October 18, 2012, 05:43:56 PM

Quote from: notme on October 18, 2012, 05:16:41 PM

I disagree about the judges, unless maybe if the term limit is one term with a really long length. Elections of people who are supposed to be objective and fair is a recipe for disaster.

Using that logic, we should have appointed congressmen and presidents too.

Atleast we have a choice between two clowns for president. We have no choice on federal judges, or the supreme court. Once they're in, they're in.

M

Where does it say congress or the president should be fair and objective? Wink

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Quote from: notme on October 18, 2012, 05:16:41 PM

I disagree about the judges, unless maybe if the term limit is one term with a really long length. Elections of people who are supposed to be objective and fair is a recipe for disaster.

Using that logic, we should have appointed congressmen and presidents too.

Atleast we have a choice between two clowns for president. We have no choice on federal judges, or the supreme court. Once they're in, they're in.

M

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Quote from: CoinDiver on October 18, 2012, 04:35:13 PM

Quote from: C10H15N on October 18, 2012, 04:33:49 PM

Actually, over 40% of that debt is owed to American citizens and corporations (no, they are not the same). Love my T-Bills

You do know it's a negative equity investment, right?

Tbills are less risk then gold (many people will disagree with that but my opinion), safer then cash and they do stop some of the loss of inflation. Tbills are a reasonable choice forsomeone with cash savings. I personally feel real estate is better right now due to it being undervalued but that is a risk just like gold.

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Quote from: mdude77 on October 18, 2012, 04:40:41 PM

Quote from: notme on October 18, 2012, 02:49:14 PM

If career politicians are an issue, why not just add term limits? Limiting our representatives to those with independent (or family) wealth is not a good plan IMO.

Speaking of representation, did you know the house of representatives used to grow with the population? There used to be an upper limit of 60k people per representative. In order to be that close to direct representation today would require 30,000 representatives rather than the measly 435 we have today. It seems to me that this is why only the powerful can influence politics... each representative has too much to handle to deal with the issues of the average constituent.

Term limits are a good idea. Especially with lifelong appointed judges. That, speaking of which, should be elected, not appointed.

I know about the house deal. That's one of my responses to people who claim the census is for adequate representation of the masses. I personally think we should have 30,000 reps. Then absolutely NOTHING would get done unless it had to. That'd be awesome! No more feel good legislation!!

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I disagree about the judges, unless maybe if the term limit is one term with a really long length. Elections of people who are supposed to be objective and fair is a recipe for disaster.

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Quote from: Atlas on October 18, 2012, 04:43:09 PM

Quote from: C10H15N on October 18, 2012, 04:33:49 PM

Quote from: bitcoinbear on October 18, 2012, 04:21:35 PM

That equates to about 50,000 usd per person in the US.

Actually, over 40% of that debt is owed to American citizens and corporations (no, they are not the same). Love my T-Bills

The Federal Reserve debt is certainly not nationalized but owed to shareholders of the NY bank.

That 6% statutory dividend looks pretty good right now.

Quote from: myrkul on October 18, 2012, 04:50:18 PM

Quote from: C10H15N on October 18, 2012, 04:37:23 PM

Of course. Backed by my faith in the American taxpayers.

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Pretty much what I would expect from someone who uses methamphetamine as their username.

Makes a great first impression. Wink

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FIAT LIBERTAS RVAT CAELVM

Quote from: C10H15N on October 18, 2012, 04:37:23 PM

Of course. Backed by my faith in the American taxpayers.

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Pretty much what I would expect from someone who uses methamphetamine as their username.

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Quote from: bitcoinbear on October 18, 2012, 04:40:05 PM

This means the return interest rate is lower than the rate of inflation, so it is worth less at the end than at the beginning, right? Why would anybody buy such a thing?

Capital preservation. Minimizing risk during economic upheaval may be more important than outperforming inflation.

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Quote from: C10H15N on October 18, 2012, 04:33:49 PM

Quote from: bitcoinbear on October 18, 2012, 04:21:35 PM

That equates to about 50,000 usd per person in the US.

Actually, over 40% of that debt is owed to American citizens and corporations (no, they are not the same). Love my T-Bills

The Federal Reserve debt is certainly not nationalized but owed to shareholders of the NY bank.

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Quote from: notme on October 18, 2012, 02:49:14 PM

If career politicians are an issue, why not just add term limits? Limiting our representatives to those with independent (or family) wealth is not a good plan IMO.

Speaking of representation, did you know the house of representatives used to grow with the population? There used to be an upper limit of 60k people per representative. In order to be that close to direct representation today would require 30,000 representatives rather than the measly 435 we have today. It seems to me that this is why only the powerful can influence politics... each representative has too much to handle to deal with the issues of the average constituent.

Term limits are a good idea. Especially with lifelong appointed judges. That, speaking of which, should be elected, not appointed.

I know about the house deal. That's one of my responses to people who claim the census is for adequate representation of the masses. I personally think we should have 30,000 reps. Then absolutely NOTHING would get done unless it had to. That'd be awesome! No more feel good legislation!!

M

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Quote from: CoinDiver on October 18, 2012, 04:35:13 PM

Quote from: C10H15N on October 18, 2012, 04:33:49 PM

Actually, over 40% of that debt is owed to American citizens and corporations (no, they are not the same). Love my T-Bills

You do know it's a negative equity investment, right?

This means the return interest rate is lower than the rate of inflation, so it is worth less at the end than at the beginning, right? Why would anybody buy such a thing?

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Of course. Backed by my faith in the American taxpayers.

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Quote from: C10H15N on October 18, 2012, 04:33:49 PM

Actually, over 40% of that debt is owed to American citizens and corporations (no, they are not the same). Love my T-Bills

You do know it's a negative equity investment, right?

C10H15N

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Quote from: bitcoinbear on October 18, 2012, 04:21:35 PM

That equates to about 50,000 usd per person in the US.

I can cover my part, how about you! Grin

Actually, over 40% of that debt is owed to American citizens and corporations (no, they are not the same). Love my T-Bills

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Quote from: C10H15N on October 18, 2012, 04:18:22 PM

It becomes much more personal (and important) when you're one of the monkeys. I can understand throwing the gays under the bus from a percentage of population standpoint, but women? The neocons have lost their mind.

The state has no business in marriage. Period. I will not support any legislation that defines anything to do with marriage, as it will only legitimize the states domain over it.

I'm not sure how you think women are under attack by anyone. Abortion is a matter of belief of when a person/body/fetus has enough rights to be protected against destruction. I don't fault either side for their belief in the matter.

The whole "war on women" is a fabrication. It's playing to the emotional nature or women. Don't fall for it.

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Quote from: C10H15N on October 18, 2012, 04:18:22 PM

Quote from: CoinDiver on October 18, 2012, 04:11:07 PM

Quote from: Atlas on October 18, 2012, 04:05:01 PM

...gays and women?

It is amazing to me that the country can be $16,000,000,000,000 in debt, and the big stories of the year are Chick-fil-a and Planned Parenthood.

"Pay no attention to the impending doom, watch these dancing monkeys!"

It becomes much more personal (and important) when you're one of the monkeys. I can understand throwing the gays under the bus from a percentage of population standpoint, but women? The neocons have lost their mind.

Nobody is throwing women under the bus. Denying women an entitlement to contraception is not oppression in any sense of the word. What is oppressive is increasing health care costs by making everyone pay for something by government decree.

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Quote from: CoinDiver on October 18, 2012, 04:11:07 PM

Quote from: Atlas on October 18, 2012, 04:05:01 PM

...gays and women?

It is amazing to me that the country can be $16,000,000,000,000 in debt, and the big stories of the year are Chick-fil-a and Planned Parenthood.

"Pay no attention to the impending doom, watch these dancing monkeys!"

That equates to about 50,000 usd per person in the US.

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