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October 26, 2012, 06:00:11 PM
Voting for Obama.

But isn't american voting system is kind of screwed up. They should have a scoring system, where you score every candidate and then the person with most scores win.

instant runoff voting; a lot of us have been talking about that lately
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1RichyTrEwPYjZSeAYxeiFBNnKC9UjC5k
October 26, 2012, 05:56:08 PM
Voting Democrat in a blue state: supporting the status quo.

It's even worse than that. By helping make sure it's a landslide in your state, you ensure that the candidate will pay zero attention to your state next time around. If you love your state, try and make it a swing state. Cheesy
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October 26, 2012, 05:47:06 PM
Voting Democrat in a red state is effectively a wasted vote, so I was curious as to why you would do such a thing.
Ehhh, voting Democrat in a blue state is effectively a wasted vote as well.  The only states where voting makes a difference is in the "battleground" states.

True, but to a lesser degree. After all, those blue states have to stay blue somehow.

To sum-up: (note that the opposites of each statement are also true)
Voting Democrat in a blue state: supporting the status quo.
Voting Democrat in a red state: shouting into the wind.

I thought WA was always a blue state. Did I miss out on the news  Shocked
I know that he said things, but some things things takes time. I am pretty sure if any of us would have become a president we would have to go through congress/ or other places like that before we make a change.
Green energy is a big investment I agree, and it will pay off itself in a decade or so. But it is good for us, for environment. Same reason electric cars gaining popularity.
No, I just didn't know where you were. Wink
For the first two years, he had a Democrat controlled congress. Both houses. He could have put through anything he wanted. The fact that he didn't is what won the republicans back their seats.
I agree that renewable energy sources are important. Throwing good money after bad, however, is stupid. If the gov't wants clean, abundant energy, LFTR is the way to go.
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October 26, 2012, 05:38:48 PM
I guess I look at it more in a way of everyone being healthy and that is important. I wish that everyone would be wealthy, happy and healthy. I believe in education, I think you should have a right to learn and make a better of yourself. If we don't care about each other then who will?
I pay taxes and I would like then to pay for my health too and not just for people who are old.

Don't take this the wrong way but why did you leave Russia? I suspect those reasons and the differences in healthcare are not completely unrelated.

As an immigrant myself, I can say I definitely prefer the freedom and such here (for what it is and for as long as it lasts) compared to where I come from and the difference in healthcare is a small price to pay.
Because when I was 11 yeard old I was amused by how everything is wonderful in states. Then when I was 17 my mom "forced" me to come here.
Don't take this wrong, I am not saying that I absolutely love how the life is in Russia. There are some things that I miss. I do love living in US and I so used to it, going back would be pointless. You could call it americanized. As sad to say don't even have russian friends.   
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October 26, 2012, 05:35:59 PM
Voting at all is wasted votes, since the only difference between the 2 candidates that will actually be on the ballot is that one is black and one is white. One says he will do idiotic things, the other performs idiotic things. So I suggest writing in votes for Stephen Colbert, at least he is funny when he is at their podium.
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October 26, 2012, 05:35:28 PM
I like the idea when I was in Russia I could go see a doctor for free.
Did you actually see any doctor aside from a general practitioner (ухо, горло, нос) in Russia? Seems that you just like the idea, in reality the healthcare in Russia is pretty much non existant.
Yeah I was sick when I was a kid so I had to stay in hospital every year, and that was free.
Of course I also visited clinics that are paid, and met one of the most nicest doctors.

I guess when I phrased free I over exaggerated, Obama system wants to make insurance affordable or actual doctors. Paying $500 just to visit a doctor is way to much, or a decent insurance that is about $250/month. I mean if you have a full-time job with benefits than yes, it's very cheap. I used to have work with benefits, but when you don't.

I don't see any proof that he supports any of that. I hear him saying he does, but one of his central campaign promises was that he would shut down Guantanamo Bay. Still running strong. He said he'd bring all the troops home. Still plenty over there, and no plan to change that drastically. As has been pointed out, "free" healthcare, isn't.

The collapse may have been inevitable, but what he did was the equivalent of sitting down in the pilot's chair of a falling airplane, and shoving the stick as far forward as it can go. Nearly everything he did hurt the economy.

I do not understand what do you mean by "red" state?
Coming from Russia, I can see how that would be confusing. Some political pundit a few years back marked states on a map in red and blue to show their support for one of the two candidates. Red for Republicans, blue for Democrats. It stuck, so now we call states which consistently vote Republican (like Texas) "red" states, and states which consistently vote Democrat (Like California) "blue" states.

Voting Democrat in a red state is effectively a wasted vote, so I was curious as to why you would do such a thing.

I thought WA was always a blue state. Did I miss out on the news  Shocked
I know that he said things, but some things things takes time. I am pretty sure if any of us would have become a president we would have to go through congress/ or other places like that before we make a change.
Green energy is a big investment I agree, and it will pay off itself in a decade or so. But it is good for us, for environment. Same reason electric cars gaining popularity.
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October 26, 2012, 05:32:26 PM
Voting Democrat in a red state is effectively a wasted vote, so I was curious as to why you would do such a thing.
Ehhh, voting Democrat in a blue state is effectively a wasted vote as well.  The only states where voting makes a difference is in the "battleground" states.
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October 26, 2012, 05:30:26 PM
I guess I look at it more in a way of everyone being healthy and that is important. I wish that everyone would be wealthy, happy and healthy. I believe in education, I think you should have a right to learn and make a better of yourself. If we don't care about each other then who will?
I pay taxes and I would like then to pay for my health too and not just for people who are old.

Don't take this the wrong way but why did you leave Russia? I suspect those reasons and the differences in healthcare are not completely unrelated.

As an immigrant myself, I can say I definitely prefer the freedom and such here (for what it is and for as long as it lasts) compared to where I come from and the difference in healthcare is a small price to pay.
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October 26, 2012, 05:24:13 PM
Voting for Obama.

Mind if I ask why? Especially if you live in a "red" state?

I support his views on how we should plan for the future and now just for now. I like that he supports green energy, woman rights to be equal, end war, free healthcare. I like the idea when I was in Russia I could go see a doctor for free, right now I cannot afford health insurance and I cannot see a doctor.  Undecided
I know some ppl don't like him because they blame him for ruining the economy, but after what has been happening I believe collapse was inevitable.
I don't see any proof that he supports any of that. I hear him saying he does, but one of his central campaign promises was that he would shut down Guantanamo Bay. Still running strong. He said he'd bring all the troops home. Still plenty over there, and no plan to change that drastically. As has been pointed out, "free" healthcare, isn't.

The collapse may have been inevitable, but what he did was the equivalent of sitting down in the pilot's chair of a falling airplane, and shoving the stick as far forward as it can go. Nearly everything he did hurt the economy.

I do not understand what do you mean by "red" state?
Coming from Russia, I can see how that would be confusing. Some political pundit a few years back marked states on a map in red and blue to show their support for one of the two candidates. Red for Republicans, blue for Democrats. It stuck, so now we call states which consistently vote Republican (like Texas) "red" states, and states which consistently vote Democrat (Like California) "blue" states.

Voting Democrat in a red state is effectively a wasted vote, so I was curious as to why you would do such a thing.
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October 26, 2012, 05:20:22 PM
I like the idea when I was in Russia I could go see a doctor for free.

Did you actually see any doctor aside from a general practitioner (ухо, горло, нос) in Russia? Seems that you just like the idea, in reality the healthcare in Russia is pretty much non existant.


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October 26, 2012, 05:12:58 PM
You don't get to see a doctor for free in Russia, you get to see a doctor, and the taxpayers get to foot the bill for you.  If that's the sort of system you want, then vote for it.  It's not the sort of system I want, and I wish the people who like that sort of system would simply move to a country that already has it than ruin one of the few that doesn't.

I guess I look at it more in a way of everyone being healthy and that is important. I wish that everyone would be wealthy, happy and healthy. I believe in education, I think you should have a right to learn and make a better of yourself. If we don't care about each other then who will?
I pay taxes and I would like then to pay for my health too and not just for people who are old.
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October 26, 2012, 05:08:49 PM
Voting for Obama.

Mind if I ask why? Especially if you live in a "red" state?

I support his views on how we should plan for the future and now just for now. I like that he supports green energy, woman rights to be equal, end war, free healthcare. I like the idea when I was in Russia I could go see a doctor for free, right now I cannot afford health insurance and I cannot see a doctor.  Undecided
I know some ppl don't like him because they blame him for ruining the economy, but after what has been happening I believe collapse was inevitable.

I do not understand what do you mean by "red" state?


They do use a system like that, thats why they visit certain states only when they campaign. Those states have more potential points so they can win the game.
I guess I mean when you actually go inside and you mark points for each candidate.
You don't get to see a doctor for free in Russia, you get to see a doctor, and the taxpayers get to foot the bill for you.  If that's the sort of system you want, then vote for it.  It's not the sort of system I want, and I wish the people who like that sort of system would simply move to a country that already has it than ruin one of the few that doesn't.
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October 26, 2012, 05:06:57 PM
Voting for Obama.

Mind if I ask why? Especially if you live in a "red" state?

I support his views on how we should plan for the future and now just for now. I like that he supports green energy, woman rights to be equal, end war, free healthcare. I like the idea when I was in Russia I could go see a doctor for free, right now I cannot afford health insurance and I cannot see a doctor.  Undecided
I know some ppl don't like him because they blame him for ruining the economy, but after what has been happening I believe collapse was inevitable.

I do not understand what do you mean by "red" state?


They do use a system like that, thats why they visit certain states only when they campaign. Those states have more potential points so they can win the game.
I guess I mean when you actually go inside and you mark points for each candidate.
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October 26, 2012, 05:01:48 PM
Voting for Obama.

But isn't american voting system is kind of screwed up. They should have a scoring system, where you score every candidate and then the person with most scores win.

They do use a system like that, thats why they visit certain states only when they campaign. Those states have more potential points so they can win the game.
legendary
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October 26, 2012, 04:57:48 PM
Voting for Obama.

But isn't american voting system is kind of screwed up. They should have a scoring system, where you score every candidate and then the person with most scores win.
If you mean scoring in the same sense that a glassworker does, then I'm all for it!
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October 26, 2012, 04:56:11 PM
Voting for Obama.

Mind if I ask why? Especially if you live in a "red" state?
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October 26, 2012, 04:51:09 PM
Voting for Obama.

But isn't american voting system is kind of screwed up. They should have a scoring system, where you score every candidate and then the person with most scores win.
420
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October 26, 2012, 12:32:27 PM
Newest documentary of 1000 showing romney flip flop:

(it also gets into Obama and their similarities interestingly enough):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eERIU4JC6s
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October 19, 2012, 06:08:25 PM
Every representative/senator/president should be chosen randomly from "real" people... they'd do less damage on accident than a career politician does on purpose.

+2
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October 19, 2012, 06:04:39 PM

Using that logic, we should have appointed congressmen and presidents too.

Atleast we have a choice between two clowns for president.  We have no choice on federal judges, or the supreme court.  Once they're in, they're in.

M

Every representative/senator/president should be chosen randomly from "real" people... they'd do less damage on accident than a career politician does on purpose.

I like that idea!

M
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