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Nothing is sweeter than a big underdog win, against your main rival, and we'll bask in West Ham's win over United to make up for recent losses. Liverpool snatched a point at the Bridge, showing you can't always win them all but that's okay.

Only 1 premier league game so I'll take a parlay on the evening Serie A. Today, we see BetKing's slight advantage over BitcoinRush, which means they automatically beat Nitro (as Nitro is always lower than BCR), so a first parlay on BK.

Game 1. Parma vs Empoli. BK Over 2 goals @1.43. BCR odds: 1.43. Nitro odds:1.419
Odds advantage: 0.78%
Units advantage: 1.1 units

Game 2. Sassuolo vs AC Milan. BK Milan WIN @2.18. BCR odds: 2.16. Nitro odds:2.147
Odds advantage: 0.93%
Units advantage: 2 units

Parlay for 100 units (1 unit = 1,000 satoshi) BetKing @3.117. BCR Parlay @3.091. Nitro Parlay 3.047
Parlay Odds advantage: 0.84%
Parlay Units advantage: 2.6 units

Wrong upset to back last night, just goes to show nothing is guaranteed, not even with Bayern in the Bundesliga. But we return to the Premier League with an exciting round of games tonight.

Gambler in me keeps wanting to bet the underdog, so I will give West Ham a backing in this weekend's opener, and another on Liverpool to win at Chelsea, to avenge their League Cup exit.

Game 1. West Ham vs Man Utd. 100 units on Hammers to win @4.11. BK odds: 4.1. Nitro odds:4.095
Odds advantage: 0.24%
Units advantage: 1 unit

Game 2. Chelsea vs Liverpool. 100 units on Liverpool to win @2.64. BK odds: 2.64. Nitro odds:2.624
Odds advantage: 0.61%
Units advantage: 1.6 units

Bad luck and goes with my bad streak in Serie A, must really watch more games to understand them a bit better. Milan didn't win, and Sassuolo edged the game a lot better than expected, should have gone for yellow cards under 5 in both, would have netted 3.9.

Anyway. My BetKing account is created and funded (thanks DarkStar!). Will be much easier to choose odds now.

So for tonight's Friday lines, we go for a 2-game parlay pairing Bundesliga with Ligue 1. I'm betting for Monaco to put give us a slight upset and Bayern's steam roller to continue.

Game 1 Hertha Berlin vs Bayern Munich. Bayern WIN. BetKing: 1.32, BCR: 1.30, Nitro: 1.294

Game 2 St Etienne vs AS Monaco. Monaco WIN. BetKing: 3.82, BCR: 3.99, Nitro: 3.966

Parlay for 100 units (1 unit = 1,000 satoshi) BCR @5.1991. Betking Parlay @5.04. Nitro Parlay 5.132
Parlay Odds advantage: 1.3%
Parlay Units advantage: 6.71 units

Painful night, it simply wasn't meant to be for Liverpool, and we'll just have to accept it. One less cup worry and more focus on the Premier League is the silver lining. If Mourinho sees that, we should too... haha. We almost had the Watford game too, Spurs were on the ropes and needed a penalty to get the draw.

Women's UEFA last night was more predictable than the last round of games, pity. Tonight we do a Serie A parlay.

Game 1 Empoli vs Milan. Milan WIN @1.91. BK odds: 1.94, Nitro odds: 1.898
Odds advantage: -1.57%
Units advantage: -3

Game 2 Sassuolo vs SPAL. Over 2.5 @2.18. BK odds: 2.08, Nitro odds: 2.172
Odds advantage: 0.37%
Units advantage: 0.8

Parlay for 100 units (1 unit = 1,000 satoshi) @4.1618. Nitro Parlay @4.123. BetKing Parlay 4.0352
Parlay Odds advantage: 0.94%
Parlay Units advantage: 3.88 units

Beautiful parlay win last night to bring our record even on wins/losses. Could only follow Fulham and City updates, but apart from letting in a Milwall goal, Fulham still made it a comfortable 3-1 win, while the City game hit us 11 corners with 15 minutes to spare, courtesy of Oxford. Final corner count was 12, with 7 already in the first half, so yes, everything went to plan.

The United game made me sweat, with Derby only making it 2-1 in the 85th minute after a painful VAR decision wait, but the draw still ticked off our Over 2.5 goal to win the parlay.

Who else to bet on tonight but Liverpool beating Chelsea? Odds are just below a doubler but no worries, we'll parlay it with Arsenal.

And dare we spare a little money on Watford to beat Spurs? I say yes!

Game 1 Chelsea vs Liverpool. Liverpool WIN @1.86. BK odds:1.89 Nitro odds: 1.85
Odds advantage: -1.61%
Units advantage: -3 units

Game 2 Brentford vs Arsenal. Arsenal WIN @1.34. BK odds: 1.17. Nitro odds: 1.326
Odds advantage: 1.06%
Units advantage: 1.4 units

Parlay for 100 units (1 unit = 1,000 satoshi) @2.4869. Nitro Parlay @2.4531. BetKing Parlay 2.2113
Parlay Odds advantage: 1.38%
Parlay Units advantage: 3.38 units

Single Bet: Game 3 Watford vs Tottenham Hotspurs. 100 units on Watford WIN @6.69. BK odds: 6.13 Nitro odds: 6.646
Odds advantage: 0.66%
Units advantage: 4.4 units

Total units advantage: 7.78 units

Fairly comfortable doubler last night in the Segunda, even if the 2-0 lead was cut to half minutes from the end. Thank god for mid-week cup action as we see some pretty interesting games tonight in the English leagues.

We start with what surely must happen as City are playing Oxford Utd, Oxford must defend with their lives for any chance, so expect lots of corners. Handicaps and goals are not so good value, which is why we'll go for corners. United take on Derby, and Derby will probably sense there's blood to be had so 1 goal in them is for sure, while United have too much quality not to score at least 2. And finally, we see great odds for a Fulham win, who must surely beat Milwall!

Game 1 Oxford Utd vs Man City. Over 10 corners @1.93. Nitro odds: 1.918. BetKing odds: 1.72
Odds advantage: +0.63% Units advantage: +1.2

Game 2 Derby County vs Man Utd. Over 2.5 goals @1.52. Nitro @ 1.517. BetKing odds: 1.52
Odds advantage: +0.2% Units advantage: +0.3

Game 3 Milwall vs Fulham. Fulham WIN @2.03. Nitro @ 2.017. BetKing odds: 2.04
Odds advantage: -0.49% Units advantage: -1

Parlay for 100 units (1 unit = 1,000 satoshi) @5.9726. Nitro Parlay @5.8687. BetKing Parlay @5.3334
Total Odds advantage: 1.77%
Total Units advantage: 10.39 units

Spectacular parlay losses yesterday, with upsets for Chelsea, Celtic and Roma, but somehow feels less painful to lose 3 legs rather than 1. And that Chelsea and Sarri slipped up 3 days before the league cup encounter with Liverpool makes me happy to pay for it with a small loss.

Slim pickings since I'm only hunting in the evening, cup games coming up and waiting to make a new BK account, so we'll just place the one straight bet on Secunda Liga for tonight, for an old favourite Deportivo.

100 units on Deportivo La Coruna vs Granada. Deportivo WIN @1.97. Nitro @ 1.945. BK @1.97 (phew)

Total Odds advantage: 1.29%
Total Units advantage: 2.5 units

Thanks for the feedback. As I said, I do recall comparing previously but they must have really improved on margins or odds providers because the odds I checked since DS's feedback absolutely showed 1% advantages or thereabouts on Euro football... which really is what I mainly bet on. Rush is really my favourite and always has been but yeah, my loyalty lies with the odds, and of course the confidence with which I know I'll get paid from Rush is topmost but I won't mind trying a small bankroll at BK, setting it up soon so I can use them hopefully by Wednesday!

If what you're saying is right then BK is a traditional bookie. Seems a bit risky long term, but good odds worth it I'd feel.

Like you said, competition is healthy for all. We can only stand to gain.

yeah as darkstar stated , Betking is now looking great for some European soccer ML but overall the bookie still need improvement to compete with rush IMO
other lines aren't competitive with rush but also they have good boxing lines in case you are interested

would love to see them lowering the margin for all the selections but can't see that happening cause as I understood betking pays their players' profits out of their pocket unlike rush where the site makes money no matter if the players win or lose

would love to see them getting better than rush , at the end I don't have complete loyalty for any site and we are all here to make more money
if players started to think this way I guess nitrogen will run out of customers 

Yesterday, Burnley ended their winless streak in a superb result, but Newcastle played out a drab scoreless match, but we ended up with a small profit since both picks were good payouts. I'll probably want to keep backing Newcastle on a similar opponent because they're too good not to eventually win.

Missed Napoli's early game or I'd have made a ML bet on them, but doing a EPL/Serie A/Scottish league parlay still not out of the question.
I'll be damned if Chelsea's perfect start is snapped, and Arsenal are on a roll, so they form 2 legs of the parlay, while Roma, despite their problems should still see off Bologna. I'm feeling good for the favourites today, so I'll even throw in a Celtic win.


Game 1 West Ham vs Chelsea. Chelsea WIN @1.57. Nitro odds: 1.551. BetKing odds: 1.58
Odds advantage: +0.69% Units advantage: +1.3

Game 2 Arsenal vs Everton. Arsenal WIN @1.43. Nitro @ 1.423. BetKing odds: 1.43
Odds advantage: +0.64% Units advantage: +1.1

Game 3 Bologna vs Roma. Roma WIN @1.71. Nitro @ 1.698. BetKing odds: 1.72
Odds advantage: +0.64% Units advantage: +1.1

Game 4 Celtic vs Kilmarnock. Celtic WIN @1.5. Nitro @ 1.485. BetKing odds: 1.51
Odds advantage: +0.64% Units advantage: +1.1

Parlay for 100 units (1 unit = 1,000 satoshi) @5.771. Nitro @5.565. BetKing @5.8681
Total Odds advantage: -1.68%
Total Units advantage: -9.71 units

Big parlay, and DS turns out to be right, BetKing has a huge advantage of almost 10 units on this parlay. I'll be fair and since I don't yet have an account there, I'll take this hit. Looks like I better have a separate account at BK! Anyone want my referral? DarkStar? =)

Thanks again for that feedback, this is exactly the sort of sportsbook discussion I'd hope to coax out from the sports punters on this forum. I've always known I'm no more than an amateur gambler, but even a little bit more knowledge about how things work gives an advantage over the long term. I'll need to spend a bit more time looking up the various odds providers, and choosing 1 bookie for 1 provider. I guess I'm not wrong to say Rush is the lowest margins for Pinnacle provider.


Definitely not. I used Nitro because it seems to be the most popular (I don't do research but on evidence that Nitro appears in almost every related thread) and just want to show that most popular doesn't necessarily mean the best. I'm going to look at AH lines on UltraPlay now, I actually very seldom do the .25/.75s, so interesting feedback on this. Maybe can even start listing which providers seem to provide best odds. At the moment, when backing the long shot underdogs, Pinnacle seems to provide huge advantages.

Rush is still very competitive (I believe margin is about equal between them and BetKing), but they use different odds providers, so you'll see odds differences that could yield advantages. Nitrogen is always lower than Rush because they use the same odds provider.


I hope you're not betting there and just using it for comparison. An UltraPlay book such a mBitCasino has more AH lines than Nitro/Rush; I'd try looking there. Don't expect competitive odds, but lower odds is better than not getting paid. Generally more effective to build your own +2.25 or whatever by splitting between +2 and +2.5

Sassuolo completed their comeback to win, but Monaco only managed to level, so we lost our parlay yesterday.

Today, we move to the Premier League where several games look straightforward on paper, but recent string of results make things a little shaky for Spurs and City... so I'm going for 2 risky bet singles today, backing Burnley or Newscastle to win.

Game 1 Burnley vs Bournemouth. 100 units on Burnley WIN @3.18. Betking odds: 3.17. Nitro odds: 3.152.
Odds advantage with closest competitor: +0.32% Units advantage: +1

Game 2 Crystal Palace vs Newcastle. 100 units on Newcastle WIN @4.08. Betking odds: 3.99. Nitro odds: 4.056
Odds advantage with closest competitor: +0.59% Units advantage: +2.4




P.S.
Thanks to a note from DarkStar, I checked all my bets today. He's right, BetKing has some better odds, but not for everyone, and not for the picks I had anyway. I now added the odds from BetKing and Nitro, all checked within seconds of each other.

But where the differences are, they're really big. I'm now going to start eyeing them and start using them for betting. I guess things have changed since I first started following months ago, and the whole point of this thread is to show advantages of odds, so I will of course pick better odds when I can. So I will amend the format over the coming week, just have to get funds in order.

Some samples with really big variance!
Liverpool ML @1.19, Betking @1.18, Nitro @1.179
Draw @7.62, Betking @8 (Big difference!)

City ML @1.09, Betking @1.16
Cardiff @32.41, Betking @21
Draw @12.42, Betking @8.9

Thanks for your feedback, DS! Much appreciated! I have checked BetKing in the past, but not specifically on ML bets, it's possible Rush is no longer competitive on the big matches. I'll compare for future selections, especially on ML parlays. If you're right, then whoever's on Nitro will be using really high margins!

Actually I mainly use NitrogenSports, but when I can't find the same lines (typically on Asian handicaps) I use 1xbit... I know they may have a bad reputation from the complaints on forum but they advertise big online and have really big line selections. I tried using BitEdge sometimes but they're not real time apparently as the odds displayed are very different from when I do check.

For your soccer bets, check BetKing's line. I've been able to find better odds than Rush for quite a few ML selections (everything other than ML isn't worth comparing imo, much higher margin). I think you'll find that you're taking negative odds advantage around 1/3 of the time (if not higher) for popular European soccer matches.

ex: Lillie OSC vs FC Nantes (Ligue 1), BetKing offers @1.97 on Lillie OSC, while Rush only offers @1.94. From a quick glance at the closest competitor odds, you're really only comparing with Nitrogen which is the exact same odds provider as Rush (Pinnacle) but with a higher margin.

That turned out to be a tight parlay win, starting with Gerrard's plucky Rangers leveling the game to get the first leg won with the +1.25 handicap so I'm very pleased with that, followed by Chelsea firing a lone goal past PAOK, and then Rodger and Celtic leaving it till the 87th minute to win the game with a solitary goal. Brings our record to an even 8W and 8L. Not bad for selections mostly containing 2/3 leg parlays, but I know long term we should end up with majority losses on risky parlays.

From now on, I'll update the running totals to reflect change from the previous bet.

Today, slim pickings but let's go for the only games in Ligue 1 and Serie A.

Game 1 Sassuolo vs Empoli. Sassuolo WIN @1.91. Closest competitor odds: 1.897
Odds advantage: +0.69% Units advantage: +1.3

Game 2 Nimes Olympique vs AS Monaco, Monaco WIN @1.74. Closest competitor odds: 1.729
Odds advantage: +0.64% Units advantage: +1.1

Parlay for 100 units (1 unit = 1,000 satoshi) @3.3232. Competitor parlay @3.28
Total Odds advantage: +1.32%
Total Units advantage: +4.32 units

Very comfortable wins for all legs of our parlays... would actually have made close to 12x had we gone for 1.5 handicaps on all winners, but then I'm happy to book in a 5x win all the same.

Europa League beckons tonight, and I got my eyes on Steven Gerrard's side to start of their campaign with a thumping performance. Villareal are no pushovers, though, so I'll hedge with a +1.25 handicap. Completing the parlay will be a ML bet on Chelsea and Celtic.

Game 1 Rangers v Villareal, Rangers +1.25 @2.03. Closest competitor odds: 2.015
Odds advantage: +0.74% Units advantage: +1.5

Game 2 Chelsea vs PAOK, Chelsea WIN @1.64. Closest competitor odds: 1.631
Odds advantage: +0.45% Units advantage: +0.9

Game 3 Celtic vs Rosenberg, Celtic WIN @1.48. Closest competitor odds: 1.473
Odds advantage: +0.48% Units advantage: +0.7

Parlay for 100 units (1 unit = 1,000 satoshi) @4.9406. Competitor parlay @4.8409
Total Odds advantage: +2.06%
Total Units advantage: +9.97 units

I know! I actually also saw it at 2.3x at Rush even earlier, but by the time I booked it, it had dropped to 2.18 (which was still a nice win), and then as you saw from parlay above, 1.9x.

Lost the parlay because RS Belgrade parked the bus and Ancelotti couldn't get new Napoli to break them down. I didn't expect them to defend at home, really, because do they really expect to get points away against PSG and Liverpool?

Anyway, doesn't dampen my mood for another 3-legged parlay for tonight's games. Straightforward bets:

Game 1 Young Boys v Man U, Man U WIN @1.74. Closest competitor odds: 1.724
Odds advantage: +0.93% Units advantage: +1.6

Game 2 Bayern Munich vs Benfica, Bayern WIN @1.55. Closest competitor odds: 1.539
Odds advantage: +0.71% Units advantage: +1.1

Game 3 Juventus vs Valencia, Juve WIN @1.98. Closest competitor odds: 1.958
Odds advantage: +1.12% Units advantage: +2.2

Parlay for 100 units (1 unit = 1,000 satoshi) @5.2992. Competitor parlay @5.195
Total Odds advantage: +2%
Total Units advantage: +10.42 units

wow liverpool odds really dropped !! I was able to bet it yesterday at X2.33 , not thro rush but rush had a little bit lower odds than the other asian site I used
for today I have bets for all the selections that you chose
I took liverpool to win and Liverpool to score over 1.5 goals
took over 3.5 for dortmund game
and took Napoli -1

still watching the lines for Barcelona's game cause I want to bet BTTS but waiting for the odds to go over X2.00 , it was higher than that yesterday actually but didn't go for it and now the highest I can find is X1.93

anyways we should have a fun night 

And we now have more losses than wins, which is what to expect when most bets are parlays. That's not going to stop us from trying, especially with Liverpool playing tonight.

Odds have edged closer towards Liverpool who take on PSG at Anfield, dropping almost 7% since the Single Bet I made >2 weeks ago but it's still a decent doubler, but why not go big tonight and take a look at 3-way parlays for Europe's top dogs?


Game 1 Liverpool v PSG, Reds WIN @2.08. Closest competitor odds: 2.067
Odds advantage: +0.63% Units advantage: +1.3

Game 2 Borussia Dortmund vs Brugge, Dortmund WIN @1.94. Closest competitor odds: 1.931
Odds advantage: +0.47% Units advantage: +0.9

Game 3 Napoli vs Crvena Zvezda, Napoli WIN @1.63. Closest competitor odds: 1.618
Odds advantage: +0.74% Units advantage: +1.2

Parlay for 100 units (1 unit = 1,000 satoshi) @6.5846. Competitor parlay @6.537
Total Odds advantage: +0.73%
Total Units advantage: +4.76 units