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Quote from: romero121 on March 25, 2021, 04:09:57 PM

Dawid Malan has got highest chance to open for England. Eon Morgan used to perform good on home ground than touring. India being a country with completely different climate conditions too is a reason for his bad performance. Eon Morgan used to give promising performance on unexpected matches. This time it looks like a self rest knowing his performance.

Malan is considered as a T20 specialist and I don't know how successful he will be in ODI format. From what we have seen in the first match, England top order is doing OK. Their middle order and lower order is in horrible shape and they are unable to handle both the Indian spinners and pacers. If Malan could strengthen the middle order, then that would be good for the England prospects. Morgan was a big disappointment BTW.

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on March 25, 2021, 06:39:39 PM

When it comes to Morgan i do agree that he is struggling now but he has won matches from unexpected circumstances and he is an integral part of the team.

If England is looking at Morgan to lead the team for the next world cup later this year he needs to gain the experience in playing in these conditions and i am not sure whether he is a part of any IPL team and if that is the case if he is getting the opportunity it will help him out. His lack of experience in playing in these conditions might be the reason for his struggles and one good innings and he will be back in form.

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Quote from: romero121 on March 25, 2021, 04:09:57 PM

Dawid Malan has got highest chance to open for England. Eon Morgan used to perform good on home ground than touring. India being a country with completely different climate conditions too is a reason for his bad performance. Eon Morgan used to give promising performance on unexpected matches. This time it looks like a self rest knowing his performance.

Will see whether Malan will open or come down the order as England is safe with their opening partnership but they struggle in the middle order and Malan should come at one down and then try to play the anchor role which we have not seen, hopefully he will change according to the situation. When it comes to Morgan i do agree that he is struggling now but he has won matches from unexpected circumstances and he is an integral part of the team.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on March 25, 2021, 12:23:53 PM

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Not a good news for English team. Their middle order was already struggling now England skipper Eoin Morgan is also out from the ODI series due to hand injury.

Maybe a blessing in disguise for the England team. So far Eoin Morgan has played 6 matches in the Indian tour (5 T20Is and 1 ODI) and his highest score is 28. His poor form was one of the reasons why they struggled after getting so many good starts. Dawid Malan was really good in the T20 series, and I guess he will be able to boost the English batting in the remaining matches. Also, Liam Livingstone is a promising young player.

Dawid Malan has got highest chance to open for England. Eon Morgan used to perform good on home ground than touring. India being a country with completely different climate conditions too is a reason for his bad performance. Eon Morgan used to give promising performance on unexpected matches. This time it looks like a self rest knowing his performance.

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Quote from: JSRAW on March 25, 2021, 10:26:28 AM

Not a good news for English team. Their middle order was already struggling now England skipper Eoin Morgan is also out from the ODI series due to hand injury.

England is having injury issues and with Eoin Morgan out of the series and the reports are that Liam Livingstone will be making his debut along with Dawid Malan.

For India Shreyas Iyer is out of the tournament as well as for the IPL as he injured his shoulders and it will take months for recovery.

Quote from: bryant.coleman on March 25, 2021, 12:23:53 PM

Maybe a blessing in disguise for the England team. So far Eoin Morgan has played 6 matches in the Indian tour (5 T20Is and 1 ODI) and his highest score is 28. His poor form was one of the reasons why they struggled after getting so many good starts. Dawid Malan was really good in the T20 series, and I guess he will be able to boost the English batting in the remaining matches. Also, Liam Livingstone is a promising young player.

Might be, we can judge after the conclusion of the series. You cannot put the entire blame on Morgan for their middle order struggle, everyone was struggling even though they have one of the strongest teams in papers they are yet to showcase that in the series.

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Quote from: JSRAW on March 25, 2021, 10:26:28 AM

Not a good news for English team. Their middle order was already struggling now England skipper Eoin Morgan is also out from the ODI series due to hand injury.

Maybe a blessing in disguise for the England team. So far Eoin Morgan has played 6 matches in the Indian tour (5 T20Is and 1 ODI) and his highest score is 28. His poor form was one of the reasons why they struggled after getting so many good starts. Dawid Malan was really good in the T20 series, and I guess he will be able to boost the English batting in the remaining matches. Also, Liam Livingstone is a promising young player.

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Quote from: mersal on March 24, 2021, 01:54:25 PM

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The England team has been in India for about 50 days and has played 10 matches. Haven't they able to adapted to the weather yet? Didn't they understand the condition of the pitch yet? You have to admit, the England team is really failing to perform well. They are playing badly, and the players are not in form. The Indian team is doing great on their own ground.

But its a different captain now and also different grounds so this is not going to be same as before for the every ENG players whereas IND certainly knows that what kind of pitch they are going to get and what are their strength and weakness but I am not denying that India is performing well but ENG us yet to play to their full potential.

The Indian players know how to play on which pitch. They know how to play well on any pitch, that's why they are ahead of England. The pitches are known to every player in India. They are aware of the behavior of the pitch. And that is why India is being able to perform exceptionally well in every match.

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Not a good news for English team. Their middle order was already struggling now England skipper Eoin Morgan is also out from the ODI series due to hand injury.

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Quote from: vella85 on March 24, 2021, 04:47:08 PM

It seems as though England have lost all confidence now and India have all the momentum after fighting back in the T20 series. England just don't have an answer right now and now they risk losing the ODI series also which will give India a clean sweep of all formats.

My guess is that the England players are tired of being inside the bio-secure bubble and they want to finish the tour as soon as possible and go home. Remember that they were in Sri Lanka before arriving in India. That means that they have been following the security protocols for almost 3 months now. It can be really tough, to stay inside the bubble without much direct contact with the outside world. And that may be one of the reasons for their poor performance, especially during the second half of the tour.

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It seems as though England have lost all confidence now and India have all the momentum after fighting back in the T20 series. England just don't have an answer right now and now they risk losing the ODI series also which will give India a clean sweep of all formats.

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Quote from: Iranus on March 24, 2021, 09:56:59 AM

The England team has been in India for about 50 days and has played 10 matches. Haven't they able to adapted to the weather yet? Didn't they understand the condition of the pitch yet? You have to admit, the England team is really failing to perform well. They are playing badly, and the players are not in form. The Indian team is doing great on their own ground.

But its a different captain now and also different grounds so this is not going to be same as before for the every ENG players whereas IND certainly knows that what kind of pitch they are going to get and what are their strength and weakness but I am not denying that India is performing well but ENG us yet to play to their full potential.

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on March 24, 2021, 01:24:33 PM

As long as India is able to defend the score which we have seen in three consecutive matches i agree with the bowling line up India is having right now but what happens if the batsman fails one day and i do not think that the bowlers could defend that, may be if India is playing with their full strength bowling unit they might but not this team if its a small total.

During the first ODI, the Indian bowlers got thrashed all around the park for the first 14 overs. England was at 136/0. Both the spinners and the pacers conceded a lot of runs at this stage. But then Prasidh Krishna took some quick wickets and that enabled the Indian bowlers to come back in to the game. But concern should be there, especially about their bowling in the first 10-15 overs. I would say that the only Indian bowler who has been consistent is Bhuvneshwar Kumar.

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Quote from: Iranus on March 24, 2021, 07:38:15 AM

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India are a very stable team and their bowling lineup is just awesome. It is very difficult to win by chasing a high run target against a good bowling lineup. And the biggest thing is that after losing badly in two series, the England players are now mentally upset. They need to be stronger mentally if they are to win against India now.

As long as India is able to defend the score which we have seen in three consecutive matches i agree with the bowling line up India is having right now but what happens if the batsman fails one day and i do not think that the bowlers could defend that, may be if India is playing with their full strength bowling unit they might but not this team if its a small total.

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Quote from: Iranus on March 24, 2021, 09:56:59 AM

The England team has been in India for about 50 days and has played 10 matches. Haven't they able to adapted to the weather yet? Didn't they understand the condition of the pitch yet? You have to admit, the England team is really failing to perform well. They are playing badly, and the players are not in form. The Indian team is doing great on their own ground.

Even before arriving in India, the England team was in Sri Lanka, where the climatic conditions are not very different from that in India. They made the preparations in a planned manner before the tour and they even had a very promising start (by winning the first match). Normally the visiting sides are have bad starts during the tour, but in England's case their performance deteriorated as the tour progressed.

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Quote from: mersal on March 24, 2021, 09:40:26 AM

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Quote from: Iranus on March 24, 2021, 07:38:15 AM

India are a very stable team and their bowling lineup is just awesome. It is very difficult to win by chasing a high run target against a good bowling lineup. And the biggest thing is that after losing badly in two series, the England players are now mentally upset. They need to be stronger mentally if they are to win against India now.

Their morale seems to be down. The way they lost the first match is the perfect testimony to this. The current England side doesn't have the ability to perform under pressure. If things go against them, they quickly lose motivation and end up losing the match. And this is happening regularly despite the presence of experienced players such as Eoin Morgan and Ben Stokes in the team.

England's approach was right, it's just they need to assess the situation at certain stages. India continues dominate but England keeps losing their control over the game. The circumstance as of now I have doubt if Morgan don't play England hardly will get any win in remaining of ODI series.

Still, two games remaining, probably they now understand about the pitch and also weather conditions so it would help them for the better approach. I won't say that there is a lack of good players in ENG team but don't forget not every time a team can win a match series and this is happening in India so obviously, they are having a better advantage than ENG.

The England team has been in India for about 50 days and has played 10 matches. Haven't they able to adapted to the weather yet? Didn't they understand the condition of the pitch yet? You have to admit, the England team is really failing to perform well. They are playing badly, and the players are not in form. The Indian team is doing great on their own ground.

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Quote from: Iranus on March 24, 2021, 07:38:15 AM

India are a very stable team and their bowling lineup is just awesome. It is very difficult to win by chasing a high run target against a good bowling lineup. And the biggest thing is that after losing badly in two series, the England players are now mentally upset. They need to be stronger mentally if they are to win against India now.

Their morale seems to be down. The way they lost the first match is the perfect testimony to this. The current England side doesn't have the ability to perform under pressure. If things go against them, they quickly lose motivation and end up losing the match. And this is happening regularly despite the presence of experienced players such as Eoin Morgan and Ben Stokes in the team.

England's approach was right, it's just they need to assess the situation at certain stages. India continues dominate but England keeps losing their control over the game. The circumstance as of now I have doubt if Morgan don't play England hardly will get any win in remaining of ODI series.

Still, two games remaining, probably they now understand about the pitch and also weather conditions so it would help them for the better approach. I won't say that there is a lack of good players in ENG team but don't forget not every time a team can win a match series and this is happening in India so obviously, they are having a better advantage than ENG.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on March 24, 2021, 07:55:30 AM

Quote from: Iranus on March 24, 2021, 07:38:15 AM

India are a very stable team and their bowling lineup is just awesome. It is very difficult to win by chasing a high run target against a good bowling lineup. And the biggest thing is that after losing badly in two series, the England players are now mentally upset. They need to be stronger mentally if they are to win against India now.

Their morale seems to be down. The way they lost the first match is the perfect testimony to this. The current England side doesn't have the ability to perform under pressure. If things go against them, they quickly lose motivation and end up losing the match. And this is happening regularly despite the presence of experienced players such as Eoin Morgan and Ben Stokes in the team.

England's approach was right, it's just they need to assess the situation at certain stages. India continues dominate but England keeps losing their control over the game. The circumstance as of now I have doubt if Morgan don't play England hardly will get any win in remaining of ODI series.

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Quote from: Iranus on March 24, 2021, 07:38:15 AM

India are a very stable team and their bowling lineup is just awesome. It is very difficult to win by chasing a high run target against a good bowling lineup. And the biggest thing is that after losing badly in two series, the England players are now mentally upset. They need to be stronger mentally if they are to win against India now.

Their morale seems to be down. The way they lost the first match is the perfect testimony to this. The current England side doesn't have the ability to perform under pressure. If things go against them, they quickly lose motivation and end up losing the match. And this is happening regularly despite the presence of experienced players such as Eoin Morgan and Ben Stokes in the team.

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on March 23, 2021, 06:17:46 PM

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I thought it would be a tough job for indian bowlers but I was wrong. As usual shardul thakur was good, he took 3 wickets. Krishna proved he can do the damage. As usual kumar showed he is still in the game. All of a sudden I think the Indian team is playing exceptionally well. I thought England would easily reach tha target as they are capable of but I might have under estimatedthe Indian bowlers.

India is exposing the batting order of England when they are under pressure, they lost the last two T20 matches chasing high scores and India was able to pick wickets at regular intervals to put pressure back to the players and the same happened in the first ODI. England needs to find a balance in the position and role of the players to win against a tough India.

India are a very stable team and their bowling lineup is just awesome. It is very difficult to win by chasing a high run target against a good bowling lineup. And the biggest thing is that after losing badly in two series, the England players are now mentally upset. They need to be stronger mentally if they are to win against India now.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on March 23, 2021, 05:03:17 PM

The England opening strategy worked and so is the reason they were able to put a partnership of 135 runs and then loose the next 10 wickets for 116 runs was not the best situation they wanted, the run rate was par with the target but England started loosing wickets at regular interval and India once again pulled off a victory which i thought was impossible when the England openers were dominating every bowler.

If Jason Roy and Jonny Bairstow had remained for another 5 overs, then England could have won the match with relative ease. England made so many mistakes in this match. Even during India's innings, England was firmly in control until the 40th over. India was struggling at 205/4 at the end of the 40th over and 5th wicket also fell soon when Hardik Pandya got out. But then there was a shocking display of wayward bowling from the England bowlers, which allowed India to score 111 runs from 9 overs. And it proved costly for them when they came out to bat.

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