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Quote from: Sithara007 on March 19, 2021, 11:47:29 PM

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As you can see the 18 men squad, already 4 openers are sitting there (KL Rahul, Rohit, Sikhar, Gill). Hard to add another opener in the squad, competition is tough but Prithvi Shaw/Devdutt Padikkal time will come as Sikhar Dhawan seems to losing his charm nowadays. They will move up to the ranks anyway in the next 2-3 years.

Shikhar Dhawan is well past his prime. If he doesn't perform in the next 2-3 outings, then he should be dropped from the squad and sent back to his domestic team (Delhi). Devdutt deserves a chance now, after performing consistently with the bat over the last two years. Almost everyone else have got a chance, including Shaw, Gill, Kishan and Surya. So I don't know why Devdutt is getting overlooked.

The Indian board has a lot of young talented players. Those who are unable to express their abilities due to lack of opportunities. If they get a chance in the national team, maybe they will be able to perform well. They should be given a chance. Although many players have done well in the domestic league, but they have failed to deliver as expected in the national team. Yet the board should give young players a chance. As if there will no shortage of qualified players for the Indian national team in the future.

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Quote from: JSRAW on March 19, 2021, 10:58:28 PM

As you can see the 18 men squad, already 4 openers are sitting there (KL Rahul, Rohit, Sikhar, Gill). Hard to add another opener in the squad, competition is tough but Prithvi Shaw/Devdutt Padikkal time will come as Sikhar Dhawan seems to losing his charm nowadays. They will move up to the ranks anyway in the next 2-3 years.

Shikhar Dhawan is well past his prime. If he doesn't perform in the next 2-3 outings, then he should be dropped from the squad and sent back to his domestic team (Delhi). Devdutt deserves a chance now, after performing consistently with the bat over the last two years. Almost everyone else have got a chance, including Shaw, Gill, Kishan and Surya. So I don't know why Devdutt is getting overlooked.

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The selection of Prasidh Krishna doesn't make any sense. He was not that impressive during last year's IPL. Went for plenty of runs, although he had a couple of good outings. Also I believed that Ishan Kishan deserved a chance in the ODI squad as well, as he was dropped from the T20 playing XI after just two matches. One of the positives is the return of T Natarajan, who will add more variety to the otherwise monotonous bowling attack.

Prasidh Krishna inclusion in the squad is for ODI series, T-20 or IPL record doesn't matter atm because he has been performing quite well in the Vijay Hazare Trophy consistently. 3 back to back good season, hence maiden India call up.

If Vijay Hazare Trophy was the main reason for Krishna's inclusion in the ODI then I fear Prithvi Shaw will not be getting a another chance in the future. His performance in Vijay Hazare Trophy was quite good but his inconsistency in International cricket might be the reason he did not get a chance this time or may be in the future.

As you can see the 18 men squad, already 4 openers are sitting there (KL Rahul, Rohit, Sikhar, Gill). Hard to add another opener in the squad, competition is tough but Prithvi Shaw/Devdutt Padikkal time will come as Sikhar Dhawan seems to losing his charm nowadays. They will move up to the ranks anyway in the next 2-3 years.

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The selection of Prasidh Krishna doesn't make any sense. He was not that impressive during last year's IPL. Went for plenty of runs, although he had a couple of good outings. Also I believed that Ishan Kishan deserved a chance in the ODI squad as well, as he was dropped from the T20 playing XI after just two matches. One of the positives is the return of T Natarajan, who will add more variety to the otherwise monotonous bowling attack.

Prasidh Krishna inclusion in the squad is for ODI series, T-20 or IPL record doesn't matter atm because he has been performing quite well in the Vijay Hazare Trophy consistently. 3 back to back good season, hence maiden India call up.

If Vijay Hazare Trophy was the main reason for Krishna's inclusion in the ODI then I fear Prithvi Shaw will not be getting a another chance in the future. His performance in Vijay Hazare Trophy was quite good but his inconsistency in International cricket might be the reason he did not get a chance this time or may be in the future.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on March 19, 2021, 10:11:06 PM

The selection of Prasidh Krishna doesn't make any sense. He was not that impressive during last year's IPL. Went for plenty of runs, although he had a couple of good outings. Also I believed that Ishan Kishan deserved a chance in the ODI squad as well, as he was dropped from the T20 playing XI after just two matches. One of the positives is the return of T Natarajan, who will add more variety to the otherwise monotonous bowling attack.

Prasidh Krishna inclusion in the squad is for ODI series, T-20 or IPL record doesn't matter atm because he has been performing quite well in the Vijay Hazare Trophy consistently. 3 back to back good season, hence maiden India call up.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on March 19, 2021, 01:36:46 AM

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Just because KL Rahul is not able to bat does not mean Indian team is struggling. Every team has home advantage but it still does not mean home team will dominate the series. A lot of new players are being tested in this T20 series before the T20 worldcup which I think is a good idea before Indian selectors sit and choose the final worldcup squad.

It is not just KL Rahul. Rohit Sharma has scores of 12 and 15 so far in the T20 series. Virat Kohli was dismissed for single digits three times in his last 5 innings (twice for 0, and 1 in his last match). Shikhar Dhawan is also not in great touch recently (he was a failure even during the recent domestic tournaments - Vijay Hazare Trophy & Syed Mushtaq Ali Trophy). Right now, I would say that Rishabh Pant is the only batsmen who is being consistent.

Unless these seniors stop performing how will you know which newbie is better. I think it is a great opportunity for new boys to concrete their presence in the national team. In due time most of the seniors will either be dropped and eventually they will retire and these boys will then take their seat.

But it still does not mean that Indian team is struggling, it's is just that a few batsmen are not in form.

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The selection of Prasidh Krishna doesn't make any sense. He was not that impressive during last year's IPL. Went for plenty of runs, although he had a couple of good outings. Also I believed that Ishan Kishan deserved a chance in the ODI squad as well, as he was dropped from the T20 playing XI after just two matches. One of the positives is the return of T Natarajan, who will add more variety to the otherwise monotonous bowling attack.

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Quote from: JSRAW on March 19, 2021, 02:32:25 AM

India's 18 Men Squad ODI team against England.

-Prasidh Krishna got call due to good domestic season.
-Surya Kumar Yadav another good addition.
-Good to see Bhuvi in the final list.

Manish Pandey, Mayank Aggarwal, Samson, Shami (recovery) Jadeja (recovery), Bumrah (leave) and Saini are missing out.

Bumrah and Pandey will be missed by indians in the series. However it a good opportunity for Krishna and Surya Yadav to proof themselves in the tournament and make a permanent spot in the national team.

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India's 18 Men Squad ODI team against England.

-Prasidh Krishna got call due to good domestic season.
-Surya Kumar Yadav another good addition.
-Good to see Bhuvi in the final list.

Manish Pandey, Mayank Aggarwal, Samson, Shami (recovery) Jadeja (recovery), Bumrah (leave) and Saini are missing out.

https://twitter.com/BCCI/status/1372774961484468224

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on March 19, 2021, 12:38:13 AM

Just because KL Rahul is not able to bat does not mean Indian team is struggling. Every team has home advantage but it still does not mean home team will dominate the series. A lot of new players are being tested in this T20 series before the T20 worldcup which I think is a good idea before Indian selectors sit and choose the final worldcup squad.

It is not just KL Rahul. Rohit Sharma has scores of 12 and 15 so far in the T20 series. Virat Kohli was dismissed for single digits three times in his last 5 innings (twice for 0, and 1 in his last match). Shikhar Dhawan is also not in great touch recently (he was a failure even during the recent domestic tournaments - Vijay Hazare Trophy & Syed Mushtaq Ali Trophy). Right now, I would say that Rishabh Pant is the only batsmen who is being consistent.

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I am yet to see a strong performance from New Zealand outside their home ground advantage and India does have a strong team but they are not playing with their strongest team in recent times, they might be experimenting to get the right combination or whatever but i said what i said with the established team they will be playing during the World cup.

India do have a very strong lineup, but they are struggling against England in the ongoing T20 series, although they are having the home advantage. Everything else is working for India - spin/pace bowling, middle order batting.etc. But the openers are not in good form. KL Rahul had yet another pathetic outing yesterday, and Kohli wants to stick with him instead of giving opportunity to some of the younger players such as Shubman, Devdutt, Ishan Kishan or Prithvi Shaw.

Just because KL Rahul is not able to bat does not mean Indian team is struggling. Every team has home advantage but it still does not mean home team will dominate the series. A lot of new players are being tested in this T20 series before the T20 worldcup which I think is a good idea before Indian selectors sit and choose the final worldcup squad.

Sometime home advantage become as a disadvantage because there is also a lot of home pressure. If your openers are not performing well consistently, this will impact a lot of pressure on the middle order and can impact their performance also. Sometimes shuffling in the batting line up also works good for the team.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on March 18, 2021, 11:44:55 PM

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I am yet to see a strong performance from New Zealand outside their home ground advantage and India does have a strong team but they are not playing with their strongest team in recent times, they might be experimenting to get the right combination or whatever but i said what i said with the established team they will be playing during the World cup.

India do have a very strong lineup, but they are struggling against England in the ongoing T20 series, although they are having the home advantage. Everything else is working for India - spin/pace bowling, middle order batting.etc. But the openers are not in good form. KL Rahul had yet another pathetic outing yesterday, and Kohli wants to stick with him instead of giving opportunity to some of the younger players such as Shubman, Devdutt, Ishan Kishan or Prithvi Shaw.

Just because KL Rahul is not able to bat does not mean Indian team is struggling. Every team has home advantage but it still does not mean home team will dominate the series. A lot of new players are being tested in this T20 series before the T20 worldcup which I think is a good idea before Indian selectors sit and choose the final worldcup squad.

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on March 18, 2021, 11:03:05 PM

I am yet to see a strong performance from New Zealand outside their home ground advantage and India does have a strong team but they are not playing with their strongest team in recent times, they might be experimenting to get the right combination or whatever but i said what i said with the established team they will be playing during the World cup.

India do have a very strong lineup, but they are struggling against England in the ongoing T20 series, although they are having the home advantage. Everything else is working for India - spin/pace bowling, middle order batting.etc. But the openers are not in good form. KL Rahul had yet another pathetic outing yesterday, and Kohli wants to stick with him instead of giving opportunity to some of the younger players such as Shubman, Devdutt, Ishan Kishan or Prithvi Shaw.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on March 18, 2021, 07:51:47 AM

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IMO, West Indies and England are the favorites, with New Zealand being another team with strong chances to win the world cup. I would have added India to the list, but their performance during the ICC tournaments is not that good, even with the presence of star players. Australia is not in good form right now and the remaining teams can't even compete properly against the top sides.

I am yet to see a strong performance from New Zealand outside their home ground advantage and India does have a strong team but they are not playing with their strongest team in recent times, they might be experimenting to get the right combination or whatever but i said what i said with the established team they will be playing during the World cup.

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In papers England and West Indies has the strongest team, West Indies has Carlos Brathwaite, Jason Holder, Sunil Narine, Pollard and Russel who can turn a match with their sole performance and England has Eoin Morgan, Bairstow, Jos Buttler, Ben Stokes and Jason Roy on his day will smash any bowlers.

The reason for West Indies in the lower side of rankings is that they never play with their best team due to multiple reasons and if they come together they will be a huge challenge for the rest of the teams.

IMO, West Indies and England are the favorites, with New Zealand being another team with strong chances to win the world cup. I would have added India to the list, but their performance during the ICC tournaments is not that good, even with the presence of star players. Australia is not in good form right now and the remaining teams can't even compete properly against the top sides.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on March 18, 2021, 07:26:02 AM

With players such as Pollard and Russell, West Indies should be the favorites for this year's T20 World Cup. Also, many of the West Indies players have good experience of playing in India, as they are participating in the IPL. They are the defensing champions as well, and therefore a lot of people expect them to perform well during this edition. However, as per the ICC T20 ranking, West Indies is ranked 9th.

In papers England and West Indies has the strongest team, West Indies has Carlos Brathwaite, Jason Holder, Sunil Narine, Pollard and Russel who can turn a match with their sole performance and England has Eoin Morgan, Bairstow, Jos Buttler, Ben Stokes and Jason Roy on his day will smash any bowlers.

The reason for West Indies in the lower side of rankings is that they never play with their best team due to multiple reasons and if they come together they will be a huge challenge for the rest of the teams.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on March 18, 2021, 04:50:35 AM

Pollard is a hard hitter if he stays in pitch for just a couple of overs he can destroy the opponent team. With captainship on his shoulders, he is not playing any risky shot. That is why you are seeing a different pollard on the field. He did play very well in the last IPL and I do not think he will have any issues in the upcoming T20 world cup.

With players such as Pollard and Russell, West Indies should be the favorites for this year's T20 World Cup. Also, many of the West Indies players have good experience of playing in India, as they are participating in the IPL. They are the defensing champions as well, and therefore a lot of people expect them to perform well during this edition. However, as per the ICC T20 ranking, West Indies is ranked 9th.

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Pollard is a T20 specialist, but nowadays the 50-over format is also becoming more like T20. Totals in excess of 350 are no longer rare in this format. Only negative is that he is not consistent. Also, he doesn't have the patience to stay at crease for some time, if the situation demands that. He is really good if he comes out to bat after the 40th over in an ODI. But if the team is in trouble and needs to build a partnership, then Pollard is not the most suitable person.

Pollard can hit the ball and never seen him performing that well in international matches even though he is a power house in T20 franchise cricket but now he is showing maturity when he was given the captaincy as he performed decently well and the big test will be if his team plays against England, Australia and New Zealand and if he could come out with the same performance and lead from the front he might continue till the next World cup.

@bryant.coleman he doesn’t need to last till the end of the innings to do the damage, because irrespective of the situation if he plays his natural game then he can single handedly win them the games. @ene1980 he should definitely perform well in the T20 World Cup, because he’s performed well in India during IPL, and this time the T20 World Cup is in India hence I feel he’ll deliver for WI in the T20 World Cup.

Pollard is a hard hitter if he stays in pitch for just a couple of overs he can destroy the opponent team. With captainship on his shoulders, he is not playing any risky shot. That is why you are seeing a different pollard on the field. He did play very well in the last IPL and I do not think he will have any issues in the upcoming T20 world cup.

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Pollard is a T20 specialist, but nowadays the 50-over format is also becoming more like T20. Totals in excess of 350 are no longer rare in this format. Only negative is that he is not consistent. Also, he doesn't have the patience to stay at crease for some time, if the situation demands that. He is really good if he comes out to bat after the 40th over in an ODI. But if the team is in trouble and needs to build a partnership, then Pollard is not the most suitable person.

Pollard can hit the ball and never seen him performing that well in international matches even though he is a power house in T20 franchise cricket but now he is showing maturity when he was given the captaincy as he performed decently well and the big test will be if his team plays against England, Australia and New Zealand and if he could come out with the same performance and lead from the front he might continue till the next World cup.

@bryant.coleman he doesn’t need to last till the end of the innings to do the damage, because irrespective of the situation if he plays his natural game then he can single handedly win them the games. @ene1980 he should definitely perform well in the T20 World Cup, because he’s performed well in India during IPL, and this time the T20 World Cup is in India hence I feel he’ll deliver for WI in the T20 World Cup.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on March 15, 2021, 10:10:00 AM

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Pollard is a T20 specialist, but nowadays the 50-over format is also becoming more like T20. Totals in excess of 350 are no longer rare in this format. Only negative is that he is not consistent. Also, he doesn't have the patience to stay at crease for some time, if the situation demands that. He is really good if he comes out to bat after the 40th over in an ODI. But if the team is in trouble and needs to build a partnership, then Pollard is not the most suitable person.

Pollard can hit the ball and never seen him performing that well in international matches even though he is a power house in T20 franchise cricket but now he is showing maturity when he was given the captaincy as he performed decently well and the big test will be if his team plays against England, Australia and New Zealand and if he could come out with the same performance and lead from the front he might continue till the next World cup.

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