Topic: ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod] - page 1086. (Read 160633 times)

@ JSRAW, mersal & 7788bitcoin, thanks for the replies. I feel bad when they ban good players. Steve Smith is such a legendary player and we missed him for a full 12 month period. Shakib Al Hasan is another player who got banned recently. No one benefits from such bans.

Anyway... I don't want to divert the topic. Not many ODIs scheduled for this week and I guess most of the users will be busy with the PSL (which starts tomorrow with the first match to be played between Islamabad United and Quetta Gladiators).

A player who averages freaking 99.6 and played without any body protection or helmet when beamers were allowed and body line bowling was used to target the batsman's head when there were no helmets and the grounds were not small like today, to compare these two generation of players is not fair.
Don Bradman scored triple century in a day which is a feat no strikers with T20 hitting caliber will not achieve .

For the ball to reverse swing you need the ball to be rough on one side and shinny on the other and with the new rules of two new balls in ODI took away the reverse swing, Mitchell starc did not play many Test either during those period if i remember correctly.

That's what commentators do, what exactly they are supposed to do? Close their eyes and shut their mouth? when 100 cameras focusing on player's crotch "Hiding Sandpaper" 

Players using towel to keep the ball dry especially in humid condition so its justified to use as long as they are not tapering the balls but why using sand paper at the ground,just to cheat right that is why they got banned.

One who get caught of their illegal actions will be punished,bowlers may argue that they are not aware of it so its not possible to punish every player.

^^^^^ The "so called ball tampering" was not noticed by the umpires. It was the South African ex-player Fanie De Villiers who first noticed it and went ballistic during the live coverage.

I never said that what they did was the right thing. My only complaint was about the quantum of punishment. I felt that it was excessive and was influenced by the South African media's witch hunt against Smith and Warner.

I had pointed out one very important thing in the past. Many of the legendary pace bowlers had previously admitted that they used to tamper the original condition of the ball, using Vaseline, sweat, towels.etc. The so called "banana swing" was achieved by roughening one side of the ball by erasing it with a rough towel and then applying sweat or saliva on it (thereby increasing the weight of that half).

This has been going on for many decades and very few of the bowlers got punished for that. Smith and Warner went a step further and used sand paper (instead of towel). But the ICC laws don't differentiate between a towel and sand paper.

My questions are:

1. Why players using sand paper are banned, while those using towels are not punished at all?
2. Why three Australian batsmen were banned for ball tampering, when they didn't bowled a single ball during the entire innings? Are you saying that these three players are more guilty when compared to the bowlers who delivered those balls?

Lowly South Africans --- lol why?

It was Australian team (Warner) who started fight first, Followed by Ball Tempering.


Don Bradman never played ODI or T-20 format too so its okay for any Aussie fan to compare Smith and Bradman as both are good in Test format.

Is it too much to compare any player to the quality or run machine like Don Bradman, Smith is a really great Test player and in good form but he is yet to perform the same level like he plays in Test in ODI and T20. I am expecting Australia to white wash South Africa as the Australian players are in really good form and are playing the best cricket in the past one year and South Africa players are not in great form as they are still scrabbling to find the best combination.

Warner and Smith will be having their revenge against the lowly South Africans. The best batsmen since the time of Don Bradman lost precious 12 months, as a result of all this drama by the South Africans. What they did was against the law, but it is something almost every fast bowler does in test matches. They were unlucky to be caught. And the South Africans blew it out of proportion. Anyway... that's all past. This time, the South African bowlers are going to get destroyed by Smith.

3 New Bilateral Tours are coming up fellas.

- Australia Tour of South Africa 21st Feb (4 t-20 and 2 ODI)   
- West Indies Tour of Sri Lanka 22nd Feb ( 4 ODI and 2 T-20 )
- Zimbabwe tour of Bangladesh 22nd Feb ( 1 Test , 3 ODI and 2 T-20)

ODI series seems pointless this year TBH. Anyways some interesting encounter are coming, Warner-Smith duo entering in the South Africa's territory after "Sandpaper gate" Scandal (It happened in SA). Let's see if they face any backlash from the spectators.

 

Rohit Sharma is one of the most important players for India, but only in ODI and T20 formats. He doesn't have the patience to play long innings in test format and therefore I don't think that his absence (in case he is not fit) will have a large impact on the outcome of the series. He is 32 years old, and so far he has played just 32 test matches. Now compare this to Virat Kohli, who is younger than Rohit and has 84 test matches against his name. Personally I would prefer Mayank Agarwal instead of Rohit Sharma in the test format.

^^ guys let's continue test match discussion here. Just for heads up kl Rahul is not in test squad and Rohit fitness level still not clear due to injury along with ishant Sharma.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53835246

If Rohit Sharma returns to the squad then it will strengthen the batting line up as KL Rahul is in good form and if Virat Kohli can chip in with the runs then India can be a challenge as they have the fast bowlers to trouble any batsman in a good pitch and the spinners might not be that effective but India will play on spinner and the toss will be between Ravichandran Ashwin and Jadeja and i wont be surprised if they play four premier fast bowlers if it is a green surface.

Indian pacers (Ishant, Shami, Bumrah.etc) will perform on green pitches. But the problem is with the batsmen. During the past, none of the batsmen (apart from Virat Kohli) have performed consistently on pitches that are supportive of pace bowling. And the performance of spinners on such surfaces have been pathetic as well. Kuldeep Yadav and Yuzvendra Chahal may be better when compared to Ravichandran Ashwin in this regard, but even their bowling has been below par.

Right now New Zealand is in top 4 of test ranking and if they win this series then they will be on 3rd position I also feel this could be not upset as India is depending on Kohli which will hurt them badly as its happen in ODI series they cannot exist on one player for long time even bowlers able to perform better but now problems coming from batting.

Why would any consider it as an upset as New Zealand does perform better in their own back ground and if they prepare green wickets India does have the fast bowling pedigree to challenge any team and the Indian batting depends upon Virat Kohli and if he fails to deliver they loose the match and that is what we saw in the ODI.

In the recent years, India has performed well in overseas pitches that supported pace bowling. But this was mostly due to the effort put in by seam bowlers such as Mohammad Shami and Ishant Sharma, as well as due to consistent performances with the bat by Virat Kohli. But the spinners and the other batsmen have not yet proved themselves in such conditions. And therefore, New Zealand has a real chance of upsetting India.

India vs New Zealand test match series won’t be a one sided contest as New Zealand has shown during the ODI series that they won’t be pushed around by team India, and hence I believe that they’ll make it very difficult for team India to win this series. Furthermore team India will be out for revenge as they have suffered a humiliating white wash in the ODI series, and therefore it’ll be interesting to see what kind of tactics will they deploy to beat New Zealand in their home.

Absolutely correct over confidence and substandard bowling were the main reason for India's humiliating defeat in the ODI. I am sure by now they know what went wrong and what they need to do for their test series. There will be too much pressure on Indian team to perform well in the up coming test series.

New Zealand has nothing to lose. India is currently the number 1 test side and odds are heavily stacked against New Zealand. On top of that, many of their star players are not playing due to injury. But as we have seen during the ODI series, overconfidence from the part of the Indians can prove to be their disadvantage. And some of the newcomers are performing well for New Zealand, such as Kyle Jamieson.

Technically India is on the upper edge in test matches as compared to newzealand. India played it's last test match in Nov of 2019 against  Bangladesh. Virat Kohli is the most successful test captain in India's cricket history and India is the highest ranking team in ICC test championship. But, you never know as anything can happen in  Cricket.