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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on February 03, 2023, 12:36:27 PM

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All that said, the vulnerability for England was their bowling, and not any other department. Even Archer bowled poorly in the first match, when he conceded 81 runs from his 10 overs. No one among the England bowlers performed in a consistent manner.

Agreed. England have so many amazing batsmen, but they have very few amazing bowlers these days which is why they are dominating all the formats like before. They need consistent bowlers like Broad, Anderson etc in their squad.

This is why I feel that their chances of winning the upcoming ODI World Cup are lower when compared to teams like Australia, India etc.

I would say that England is not favorites for the upcoming ODI World Cup. Because we know that England has some explosive batsmen. Every batsman is in very good form. Scoring 300 runs is easy for England batsmen. However, the performance of England's bowlers is very poor. If the bowlers are not good, I do not see the possibility of England's good results in the World Cup.

India and South Africa teams are in very good form now. I think the chances of these two teams winning the title are very high. I want to place the Australian team in third place. Australia's performance is now quite stable. I guess India will be able to win the title.

South Africa are now back to their old performances. In the middle they really disappointed the fans. However, there are many qualified veteran players in the team who have been able to re-fit themselves and make the team stronger.

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Jos freaking Buttler! Wow! This man is the new run machine these days. He keeps delivering consistently great performances in the ODI and test formats in recent times which makes him someone to watch out for in the upcoming World Cup.

Archer returned with a bang, but one epic performance isn't enough to state whether he is back in form or not.

Yes Jos Buttler was in good form in the last match and continuously he is making good scores and I think he is good for England in the coming ODI ICC world cup.
I was looking the prediction board before this match and I was looking much more votes in the favor of England team and as it is we saw a great performance from England team. Now the series is finished with 2-1.

I did not get the performance I expected from England against South Africa. Because in almost every match, England's batsmen performed well, but the bowlers' performance was poor. They bowled very badly. They lost even after giving a big score target of 343 runs. I will say that if the performance of the bowlers is not stronger in the coming days, then I do not consider the England team to be the favorite for the next World Cup. India and South Africa teams are much stronger and stable now.

England have been badly beaten in the first two matches against South Africa. As England lost the first two matches, South Africa secured their series. But in the last match, England was able to perform well. Jos Buttler has to be mentioned. He has been able to do his excellent performance.

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Quote from: Haunebu on February 03, 2023, 09:59:23 AM

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All that said, the vulnerability for England was their bowling, and not any other department. Even Archer bowled poorly in the first match, when he conceded 81 runs from his 10 overs. No one among the England bowlers performed in a consistent manner.

Agreed. England have so many amazing batsmen, but they have very few amazing bowlers these days which is why they are dominating all the formats like before. They need consistent bowlers like Broad, Anderson etc in their squad.

This is why I feel that their chances of winning the upcoming ODI World Cup are lower when compared to teams like Australia, India etc.

I would say that England is not favorites for the upcoming ODI World Cup. Because we know that England has some explosive batsmen. Every batsman is in very good form. Scoring 300 runs is easy for England batsmen. However, the performance of England's bowlers is very poor. If the bowlers are not good, I do not see the possibility of England's good results in the World Cup.

India and South Africa teams are in very good form now. I think the chances of these two teams winning the title are very high. I want to place the Australian team in third place. Australia's performance is now quite stable. I guess India will be able to win the title.

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Quote from: Haunebu on February 03, 2023, 09:59:23 AM

but they have very few amazing bowlers these days which is why they are dominating all the formats like before. They need consistent bowlers like Broad, Anderson etc in their squad.

This is why I feel that their chances of winning the upcoming ODI World Cup are lower when compared to teams like Australia, India etc.

I agree with part of it. But, Not completely. Because England Already has some young talent like Jofra Archer. If you watched the last match, You will agree with me. Jofra Archer win the match alone from the bowlers' side. He got six wickets and his economy was 4.40 which is very good in ODI. Chris Woakes and Sam Curran are other talented bowlers as well. Of course they need more time and you have to give them chance as well to prove theirself.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on February 02, 2023, 10:35:17 PM

All that said, the vulnerability for England was their bowling, and not any other department. Even Archer bowled poorly in the first match, when he conceded 81 runs from his 10 overs. No one among the England bowlers performed in a consistent manner.

Agreed. England have so many amazing batsmen, but they have very few amazing bowlers these days which is why they are dominating all the formats like before. They need consistent bowlers like Broad, Anderson etc in their squad.

This is why I feel that their chances of winning the upcoming ODI World Cup are lower when compared to teams like Australia, India etc.

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England won the match because of Jofra Archer's brilliant bowling. Otherwise, the England team would have been defeated in today's match as well. Except for Jofra Archer, all the bowlers gave a lot of runs. However, this match was not important for South Africa. They won the series. But South Africa would have been able to win if the top order players had started the match well. But I would say South Africa's bowling line-up is still not strong enough. They need to strengthen their bowling line-up if they want to do well in the upcoming ODI World Cup.

Agreed. It was a spectacular comeback from Jofra Archer. He has been out of action for almost one and half years and then returns to take 6 wickets in his 9 overs, and that too against a team that successfully chased a target of 343 only a few days back. All the other England bowlers were leaking plenty of runs. Archer was the only one with an economy rate of less than 6.00. So it would be safe to say that without him, England would have lost the match. South Africa didn't looked like they were comfortable, at any point in the chase. They were regularly losing wickets.
Archer is just 27-years old and therefore he has the potential to become one of the legends in pace bowling. But he needs to stay away from injury. One encouraging sign is that he hasn't lost any of his pace. Throughout the match, he maintained an average speed of around 90 mph.

Jofra Archer is still a young player. And he is a great bowler. He was not in form for a long time. But his transformation was remarkable. He has shown excellent bowling against South Africa. England won only on Jofra Archer's performance. It is a relief for England that Jofra Archer has returned to form. The England team for the next World Cup could use Jofra Archer well. But England needs one more seasoned talented pace bowler. Relying on just one bowler would be risky.

England did not do well in the India series. But they will definitely be able to learn from the mistakes they made with this series. They should probably make big changes in bowling ‍action. In my perspective there are two more good bowlers needed along with Jofra Archer who can pick up wickets quickly. In the last match, Jofra Archer changed the picture of the match even though the player of the match was Jos Buttler. His good innings of 131 gave England a big target at the same time Jofra Archer's contribution was appreciable.

In recent series both teams were good but South Africa was more good with batting and that's the reason for their win . England balling except for the last match was bit weak and for preparation of world cup they have to work on that.
Batting wise both teams managed to collect good runs.

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Quote from: kro55 on February 03, 2023, 03:10:11 AM

Jofra Archer is still a young player. And he is a great bowler. He was not in form for a long time. But his transformation was remarkable. He has shown excellent bowling against South Africa. England won only on Jofra Archer's performance. It is a relief for England that Jofra Archer has returned to form. The England team for the next World Cup could use Jofra Archer well. But England needs one more seasoned talented pace bowler. Relying on just one bowler would be risky.

Well... they have Mark Wood. And if Chris Woakes get back to form by then, England would be one of the favorites to win this year's world cup. Their main problem at this moment is the absence of a quality spinner. Adil Rashid and Moeen Ali are not in good form, while Rehan Ahmed doesn't have much experience with white ball cricket. World cup matches will be played in India, and without a quality spinner it will be impossible for England to restrict the opposing teams to totals of less than 300. There are some good spinners emerging from the county system, such as Liam Patterson-White, Jack Carson and Amar Virdi. But I don't know whether the selectors want to expose them to high level cricket now.

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England won the match because of Jofra Archer's brilliant bowling. Otherwise, the England team would have been defeated in today's match as well. Except for Jofra Archer, all the bowlers gave a lot of runs. However, this match was not important for South Africa. They won the series. But South Africa would have been able to win if the top order players had started the match well. But I would say South Africa's bowling line-up is still not strong enough. They need to strengthen their bowling line-up if they want to do well in the upcoming ODI World Cup.

Agreed. It was a spectacular comeback from Jofra Archer. He has been out of action for almost one and half years and then returns to take 6 wickets in his 9 overs, and that too against a team that successfully chased a target of 343 only a few days back. All the other England bowlers were leaking plenty of runs. Archer was the only one with an economy rate of less than 6.00. So it would be safe to say that without him, England would have lost the match. South Africa didn't looked like they were comfortable, at any point in the chase. They were regularly losing wickets.
Archer is just 27-years old and therefore he has the potential to become one of the legends in pace bowling. But he needs to stay away from injury. One encouraging sign is that he hasn't lost any of his pace. Throughout the match, he maintained an average speed of around 90 mph.

Jofra Archer is still a young player. And he is a great bowler. He was not in form for a long time. But his transformation was remarkable. He has shown excellent bowling against South Africa. England won only on Jofra Archer's performance. It is a relief for England that Jofra Archer has returned to form. The England team for the next World Cup could use Jofra Archer well. But England needs one more seasoned talented pace bowler. Relying on just one bowler would be risky.

England did not do well in the India series. But they will definitely be able to learn from the mistakes they made with this series. They should probably make big changes in bowling ‍action. In my perspective there are two more good bowlers needed along with Jofra Archer who can pick up wickets quickly. In the last match, Jofra Archer changed the picture of the match even though the player of the match was Jos Buttler. His good innings of 131 gave England a big target at the same time Jofra Archer's contribution was appreciable.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on February 01, 2023, 11:11:26 PM

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England won the match because of Jofra Archer's brilliant bowling. Otherwise, the England team would have been defeated in today's match as well. Except for Jofra Archer, all the bowlers gave a lot of runs. However, this match was not important for South Africa. They won the series. But South Africa would have been able to win if the top order players had started the match well. But I would say South Africa's bowling line-up is still not strong enough. They need to strengthen their bowling line-up if they want to do well in the upcoming ODI World Cup.

Agreed. It was a spectacular comeback from Jofra Archer. He has been out of action for almost one and half years and then returns to take 6 wickets in his 9 overs, and that too against a team that successfully chased a target of 343 only a few days back. All the other England bowlers were leaking plenty of runs. Archer was the only one with an economy rate of less than 6.00. So it would be safe to say that without him, England would have lost the match. South Africa didn't looked like they were comfortable, at any point in the chase. They were regularly losing wickets.
Archer is just 27-years old and therefore he has the potential to become one of the legends in pace bowling. But he needs to stay away from injury. One encouraging sign is that he hasn't lost any of his pace. Throughout the match, he maintained an average speed of around 90 mph.

Jofra Archer is still a young player. And he is a great bowler. He was not in form for a long time. But his transformation was remarkable. He has shown excellent bowling against South Africa. England won only on Jofra Archer's performance. It is a relief for England that Jofra Archer has returned to form. The England team for the next World Cup could use Jofra Archer well. But England needs one more seasoned talented pace bowler. Relying on just one bowler would be risky.

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Quote from: BALIK on February 03, 2023, 12:57:29 AM

I did not get the performance I expected from England against South Africa. Because in almost every match, England's batsmen performed well, but the bowlers' performance was poor. They bowled very badly. They lost even after giving a big score target of 343 runs. I will say that if the performance of the bowlers is not stronger in the coming days, then I do not consider the England team to be the favorite for the next World Cup. India and South Africa teams are much stronger and stable now.

England has performed poorly recently. But I still believe that they are one of the favorites to win the 2023 ODI World Cup. If Jofra Archer and Joe Root are included in the squad, then they can be very formidable. Unfortunately for them, Ben Stokes is not available. But batting looks quite formidable with the likes of Jason Roy and Jos Buttler, in addition to Dawid Malan and Jonny Bairstow (still recovering from injury). Bowling is the concern, and if they can find one quality spin bowler, then it will make their lives much easier during the world cup.

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Jos freaking Buttler! Wow! This man is the new run machine these days. He keeps delivering consistently great performances in the ODI and test formats in recent times which makes him someone to watch out for in the upcoming World Cup.

Archer returned with a bang, but one epic performance isn't enough to state whether he is back in form or not.

Yes Jos Buttler was in good form in the last match and continuously he is making good scores and I think he is good for England in the coming ODI ICC world cup.
I was looking the prediction board before this match and I was looking much more votes in the favor of England team and as it is we saw a great performance from England team. Now the series is finished with 2-1.

I did not get the performance I expected from England against South Africa. Because in almost every match, England's batsmen performed well, but the bowlers' performance was poor. They bowled very badly. They lost even after giving a big score target of 343 runs. I will say that if the performance of the bowlers is not stronger in the coming days, then I do not consider the England team to be the favorite for the next World Cup. India and South Africa teams are much stronger and stable now.

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Quote from: Haunebu on February 02, 2023, 01:49:30 PM

Jos freaking Buttler! Wow! This man is the new run machine these days. He keeps delivering consistently great performances in the ODI and test formats in recent times which makes him someone to watch out for in the upcoming World Cup.

Archer returned with a bang, but one epic performance isn't enough to state whether he is back in form or not.

That partnership between Jos Buttler and Dawid Malan took England to a total of close to 350 and after that Archer finished things for the Poms. Buttler scored 261 runs in total in this series, at an average of over 130. Malan scored a total of 189 runs and none of the other England batsmen comes even close. All that said, the vulnerability for England was their bowling, and not any other department. Even Archer bowled poorly in the first match, when he conceded 81 runs from his 10 overs. No one among the England bowlers performed in a consistent manner.

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Quote from: Haunebu on February 02, 2023, 01:49:30 PM

Jos freaking Buttler! Wow! This man is the new run machine these days. He keeps delivering consistently great performances in the ODI and test formats in recent times which makes him someone to watch out for in the upcoming World Cup.

Archer returned with a bang, but one epic performance isn't enough to state whether he is back in form or not.

Yes Jos Buttler was in good form in the last match and continuously he is making good scores and I think he is good for England in the coming ODI ICC world cup.
I was looking the prediction board before this match and I was looking much more votes in the favor of England team and as it is we saw a great performance from England team. Now the series is finished with 2-1.

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Jos freaking Buttler! Wow! This man is the new run machine these days. He keeps delivering consistently great performances in the ODI and test formats in recent times which makes him someone to watch out for in the upcoming World Cup.

Archer returned with a bang, but one epic performance isn't enough to state whether he is back in form or not.

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England won the match because of Jofra Archer's brilliant bowling. Otherwise, the England team would have been defeated in today's match as well. Except for Jofra Archer, all the bowlers gave a lot of runs. However, this match was not important for South Africa. They won the series. But South Africa would have been able to win if the top order players had started the match well. But I would say South Africa's bowling line-up is still not strong enough. They need to strengthen their bowling line-up if they want to do well in the upcoming ODI World Cup.

Agreed. It was a spectacular comeback from Jofra Archer. He has been out of action for almost one and half years and then returns to take 6 wickets in his 9 overs, and that too against a team that successfully chased a target of 343 only a few days back. All the other England bowlers were leaking plenty of runs. Archer was the only one with an economy rate of less than 6.00. So it would be safe to say that without him, England would have lost the match. South Africa didn't looked like they were comfortable, at any point in the chase. They were regularly losing wickets.
Archer is just 27-years old and therefore he has the potential to become one of the legends in pace bowling. But he needs to stay away from injury. One encouraging sign is that he hasn't lost any of his pace. Throughout the match, he maintained an average speed of around 90 mph.

These are absolutely great performances from Jofra Archer. He picked up 6 wickets and he was also very economical. After all, he was the reason why England was able to win this match in my opinion. South Africa was unable to form any meaningful partnership in this match. Thanks to Jofra Archer, South Africa was all out and they could not even get close to the total. I hope he will be able to continue performing like this and also will be able to avoid the injuries as well.

And the best thing is I did not see his speed fall off too much. His injury did not have any effect on his speed in my opinion.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on February 02, 2023, 05:58:05 AM

If not for Jofra Archer, England would have lost the match by a big margin. None of the other bowlers were able to trouble the South African batsmen, but Archer was regularly chipping England away with his raw pace. But it needs to be seen whether he can take heavy workload. T20I/ODI matches won't be a problem, but IMO ECB should wait a bit more before reintroducing him to the test format. That said, sometimes I wonder what would have happened in case Archer continued with West Indies rather than moving to England. If players regularly migrate from the smaller boards such as West Indies and South Africa to stronger boards such as England and New Zealand, it will have a detrimental impact on the balance of power in cricket.

No doubt this was Jofra Archer Heroics which helps England to safe their face from whitewash in this series even their batting was at his best, but sadly things are not favouring them for having positive results after amazing end of this ODI series which give good hopes for the direct entry to South Africa into ODI world cup2023.

Even after having 346 this was not easy task to achieve but Jofra Archer done good job after his comeback and give them good win having back to back 340+ runs is also amazing stuff from English team, but their bowling was not good enough which needs some improvement in coming days for to defend of title in ODI World Cup 2023 in India Buttler and Malan done good job in this last ODI for the England, and they were able to have big score even after losing early wickets.

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Even South Africa is still favorite for the direct qualification into world cup after winning series against England at home, but their chances are hit by a bad news slow over-rate during their defeat to England in the third ODI in Kimberley on Wednesday.

Now things are interesting but for me still they are favorite for the direct qualification into world cup.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/2023-world-cup-south-africas-chances-of-direct-qualification-hit-by-over-rate-penalty-1357046

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England were able to save their face after struggling in the last two matches. As usual the English batted very well but the real reason they won the match was because of Archer. 6 wicket for just 40 runs is an incredible achievement after coming back from an injury. I hope he stays fit throughout this year and especially in the ODIWC. He is the only bowler that the English have who can easily snatch away the game from the opponent team.

Jofra Archer took 6 wickets and all important ones at right and crucial time and because of his smashing balling England won their 3rd ODI. South Africa was good throughout the series and if Archer didn't took thier wickets SA would have won last ODI too.

Jofra Archer back to the form have helped England win the match, if not this could've been a winning match for South Africa. I expected Jofra Archer to be presented with the man of the match for his 40/6 bowling 9.1 overs. Fortunately the man of the match is given to Jos Butler.

This young bowler has taken England from a difficult situation. He joined the squad after returning from injury for a long time. After losing two matches against South Africa, it was convinced that they had to lose in the next match. But from that situation, the bowler has been able to bring them back completely. The bowler picked up 6 wickets by bowling 9.1 overs. However, England will be somewhat relaxed by winning the last match.

Great comback from archer after injury. I think Jofra Archer is not too young anymore because he play for IPL in 2018 as as he made his debut in ODI, Test, T20 in 2019, but no doubt he is the game changer , through his pace and swing he destroyed almost entire South Africa team lineup and got half dozen wickets, I think if he got chance in early two matches he will definitely make changes in result of this series. But still he give his 100% in last match and safe his team from whitewash.

He played 35 matches in the IPL carrier, this player cannot be said to have played too many matches in the international area. Despite being ahead in terms of experience, the number of matches is very limited. He played only 19 ODIs in international cricket, 13 in Test career and 12 in T20s. In that respect I can definitely consider him as an young player and he is only 27 years old. In this regard i can call him as a young players.

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England were able to save their face after struggling in the last two matches. As usual the English batted very well but the real reason they won the match was because of Archer. 6 wicket for just 40 runs is an incredible achievement after coming back from an injury. I hope he stays fit throughout this year and especially in the ODIWC. He is the only bowler that the English have who can easily snatch away the game from the opponent team.

Jofra Archer took 6 wickets and all important ones at right and crucial time and because of his smashing balling England won their 3rd ODI. South Africa was good throughout the series and if Archer didn't took thier wickets SA would have won last ODI too.

Jofra Archer back to the form have helped England win the match, if not this could've been a winning match for South Africa. I expected Jofra Archer to be presented with the man of the match for his 40/6 bowling 9.1 overs. Fortunately the man of the match is given to Jos Butler.

This young bowler has taken England from a difficult situation. He joined the squad after returning from injury for a long time. After losing two matches against South Africa, it was convinced that they had to lose in the next match. But from that situation, the bowler has been able to bring them back completely. The bowler picked up 6 wickets by bowling 9.1 overs. However, England will be somewhat relaxed by winning the last match.

Great comback from archer after injury. I think Jofra Archer is not too young anymore because he play for IPL in 2018 as as he made his debut in ODI, Test, T20 in 2019, but no doubt he is the game changer , through his pace and swing he destroyed almost entire South Africa team lineup and got half dozen wickets, I think if he got chance in early two matches he will definitely make changes in result of this series. But still he give his 100% in last match and safe his team from whitewash.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on February 02, 2023, 01:13:51 AM

So I do not see a lot of chatting going on about the coming ICC Women's Cricket World Cup? It is scheduled to be held in South Africa, from 10 to 26 February 2023. The tournament had been moved from its original date at the end of 2022 to February 2023 due to the 2022 FIFA World Cup.

What is your predictions for this Women's Cricket World Cup and do you think the host country will have a higher chance of winning, seeing that it is going to be in front of their home crowd?

The ICC Women's T20 World Cup will start from February 10. It is very difficult to estimate how much South Africa deserves to win the World Cup as the host country. South Africa will face Sri Lanka Women's team in the ICC Women's Twenty20 World Cup as the host nation. But South Africa Women's Cricket Team is much stronger than Sri Lanka Women's Team. As the host nation, South Africa must win the first match.

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