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Quote from: Haunebu on October 06, 2022, 12:58:49 PM

Lol. Sure looks like it. I never expected India to get this close to the target when it looked like South Africa would win comfortably against them thanks to Dhawan and some other players playing like crap.

Samson relying on a tail-ender towards the end was so weird. Indian fielding seriously needs to improve across all formats.

LOL.. there seems to be some sort of a deal between South Africa and the BCCI. Maybe the BCCI will help South Africa to qualify for the world cup. In return, CSA can support the BCCI nominee (N Srinivasan) for the post of ICC chairman. Anyway, South Africa qualifying for the world cup will give more diversity to the tournament. We need at least one team from the African continent. If Sri Lanka fails to qualify, then I don't care much. We already have over-representation from the South-Asian region.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on October 06, 2022, 12:10:56 PM

BCCI wants SA to qualify for the ODIWC!
1. They dropped easy four catch.
2. Sanju Samson doesn't want to bat in those crucial overs when every one knows he is the in form batter.
3. Lower order throwing wickets by hitting shots which are nothing but lofted catches.
4. BCCI testing with new players in this series.

Lol. Sure looks like it. I never expected India to get this close to the target when it looked like South Africa would win comfortably against them thanks to Dhawan and some other players playing like crap.

Samson relying on a tail-ender towards the end was so weird. Indian fielding seriously needs to improve across all formats.

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Quote from: BobK71 on October 06, 2022, 04:44:57 AM

India vs South Africa, ODI Series
The way they performed in the last T20 match, I must say that they will not go away from this series easily. But it is true that ODI cricket and T20 are not the same. In African cricket team there are 3 or 4 batsman are good enough to score more runs. Especially De Kock, Rossouw, Aiden Markram and David Miller are renowned batsman in the world cricket. I deserve that they will perform well in this ODI cricket.

South Africa bat first and gave an excellent target of 249 runs 4 wickets (40 overs) great batting by David Miller, Heinrich Klaseen and qunitin de kock. India on other hand is not performing well balling and batting both sides.
All of their important players are not playing in this match seems like they are not taking these ODI's seriously.

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Quote from: JSRAW on October 06, 2022, 12:17:25 PM

Quote from: pakhitheboss on October 06, 2022, 12:10:56 PM

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2. Sanju Samson doesn't want to bat in those crucial overs when every one knows he is the in form batter.

I freaking hate his guts now, I used to give him benefit of doubts most of time but he fucked up tonight.

He was supposed to take a strike and not rely on a tailender, don't know why he let him play full over and that too crucial 39th over.

Guess he was just playing for records or securing his place in the playing XI.

Exactly the reason why the selectors are not very fond of him. Even as the captain of the Rajasthan Royals, he attracted a lot of criticism for his bias. He insisted on including Riyan Parag over Karun Nair, just because his relation with the latter was not good. Anyway, Samson is just another over-rated guy, just like Siraj and Saini. These guys don't have the capability to guide the team to a win. He really has an attitude problem and his inclusion in the playing XI doesn't do a lot of good to the team bonding.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on October 06, 2022, 12:10:56 PM

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2. Sanju Samson doesn't want to bat in those crucial overs when every one knows he is the in form batter.

I freaking hate his guts now, I used to give him benefit of doubts most of time but he fucked up tonight.

He was supposed to take a strike and not rely on a tailender, don't know why he let him play full over and that too crucial 39th over.

Guess he was just playing for records or securing his place in the playing XI.

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. Edit: Shardul Thakur is gone.

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What's happening with Indian fielding nowadays? Quite surprising tbh as fielding was one of the departments they've improved a lot in recent times but out of nowhere they are looking like headless chickens on the field, dropping, missing catch opportunities regularly and even misfielding are very common.
Guess Proteas has enough runs on the board.

It is a young team and may be ring rust as they are not playing much to get into the rhythm and hence leaking runs in the field and missing catches Cheesy

. Looks like South Africa got enough runs on board as India need 44 runs from 18 balls even with Sanju Samson and Shardul Thakur in the crease it is a difficult target as one wicket here will expose the tail end players.

Edit: Shardul Thakur is gone.
Kuldeep Yadav is gone the next ball.

India lost by just 10 runs. I thought India couldn't score more than 200-210. But with the help of Sanju Samson and Shreyes Iyer's brilliant batting, India managed to collect 240 runs. Samson scored 86 runs off 63 balls and Iyer managed to score 50 runs off 37 balls. India lost the match due to a poor performance by the top order batsmen. At the same time, Indian players missed a lot of fielding in this match. If the Indian players had performed a little carefully, they would have been able to win this match quite easily. Because India's batsmen are talented enough.

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BCCI wants SA to qualify for the ODIWC!
1. They dropped easy four catch.
2. Sanju Samson doesn't want to bat in those crucial overs when every one knows he is the in form batter.
3. Lower order throwing wickets by hitting shots which are nothing but lofted catches.
4. BCCI testing with new players in this series.

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Quote from: JSRAW on October 06, 2022, 08:24:03 AM

What's happening with Indian fielding nowadays? Quite surprising tbh as fielding was one of the departments they've improved a lot in recent times but out of nowhere they are looking like headless chickens on the field, dropping, missing catch opportunities regularly and even misfielding are very common.

Guess Proteas has enough runs on the board.

It is a young team and may be ring rust as they are not playing much to get into the rhythm and hence leaking runs in the field and missing catches Cheesy

. Looks like South Africa got enough runs on board as India need 44 runs from 18 balls even with Sanju Samson and Shardul Thakur in the crease it is a difficult target as one wicket here will expose the tail end players.

Edit: Shardul Thakur is gone.

Kuldeep Yadav is gone the next ball.

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Quote from: onecall123 on October 06, 2022, 10:26:36 AM

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What's happening with Indian fielding nowadays? Quite surprising tbh as fielding was one of the departments they've improved a lot in recent times but out of nowhere they are looking like headless chickens on the field, dropping, missing catch opportunities regularly and even misfielding are very common.

Although Indian players have improved in the batting sector, they are now very weak in fielding and bowling. A few days ago, Indian players used to do amazing fielding. I'd say now they've gotten a bit lazy so that's what's happening. Players should be more professional and responsible.

South Africa set a target of 250 runs in 40 overs. Quite a good collection. India must collect more than 6 per over if they want to win. Shikhar Dhawan and Shubman Gill returned to the fold with 4 and 3 runs respectively. At the end of 12 overs, India collected only 30 runs. I don't think winning this match is possible if you bat like this.

David Miller and Heinrich Klaasen have worked together to take SA from 110-4 to 249-4. The target South Africa set was good. Does the quality of Indian teams decline with time? There was a clear quality difference in both bowling attacks, with SA faring better. As a result of poor fielding and poor bowling, India failed to produce quality batting. There are four wickets down for India as South African bowlers are on a roll. The ball has been handled superbly by South Africa so far!

Quinton de Kock and David Miller have continued their performances. de Kock scored 48 and Millar remained unbeaten on 75. Temba Bavuma continued his poor performance. Even in today's match, he returned to the dressing room after collecting only 8 runs. 250 runs in 40 overs was a big enough target.
India collected 191 runs in 366 overs. Samson and Shardul are batting well enough. But the performance of India's top-order players was very disappointing. India collected only 45 runs in the first 15 overs. If the top-order players played well, India would have been able to win this match for sure.

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What is going on? Looks like a fixed match. In a match where the the required run rate is greater than 6 runs per over, Shikhar Dhawan made 4 runs from 16 balls. Shubman Gill made 3 runs from 7 balls. Ruturaj Gaikwad and Ishan Kishan both had strike rate of less than 50. This is not the way to play, if they actually wanted to win the match. And I perfectly understand if they want to help South Africa with the world cup qualification. Proteas desperately needed a win in this series, and now they got that.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on October 06, 2022, 09:47:41 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on October 06, 2022, 08:24:03 AM

What's happening with Indian fielding nowadays? Quite surprising tbh as fielding was one of the departments they've improved a lot in recent times but out of nowhere they are looking like headless chickens on the field, dropping, missing catch opportunities regularly and even misfielding are very common.

Although Indian players have improved in the batting sector, they are now very weak in fielding and bowling. A few days ago, Indian players used to do amazing fielding. I'd say now they've gotten a bit lazy so that's what's happening. Players should be more professional and responsible.

South Africa set a target of 250 runs in 40 overs. Quite a good collection. India must collect more than 6 per over if they want to win. Shikhar Dhawan and Shubman Gill returned to the fold with 4 and 3 runs respectively. At the end of 12 overs, India collected only 30 runs. I don't think winning this match is possible if you bat like this.

David Miller and Heinrich Klaasen have worked together to take SA from 110-4 to 249-4. The target South Africa set was good. Does the quality of Indian teams decline with time? There was a clear quality difference in both bowling attacks, with SA faring better. As a result of poor fielding and poor bowling, India failed to produce quality batting. There are four wickets down for India as South African bowlers are on a roll. The ball has been handled superbly by South Africa so far!

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Quote from: JSRAW on October 06, 2022, 08:24:03 AM

What's happening with Indian fielding nowadays? Quite surprising tbh as fielding was one of the departments they've improved a lot in recent times but out of nowhere they are looking like headless chickens on the field, dropping, missing catch opportunities regularly and even misfielding are very common.

Although Indian players have improved in the batting sector, they are now very weak in fielding and bowling. A few days ago, Indian players used to do amazing fielding. I'd say now they've gotten a bit lazy so that's what's happening. Players should be more professional and responsible.

South Africa set a target of 250 runs in 40 overs. Quite a good collection. India must collect more than 6 per over if they want to win. Shikhar Dhawan and Shubman Gill returned to the fold with 4 and 3 runs respectively. At the end of 12 overs, India collected only 30 runs. I don't think winning this match is possible if you bat like this.

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What's happening with Indian fielding nowadays? Quite surprising tbh as fielding was one of the departments they've improved a lot in recent times but out of nowhere they are looking like headless chickens on the field, dropping, missing catch opportunities regularly and even misfielding are very common.

Guess Proteas has enough runs on the board.

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India vs South Africa, ODI Series
The way they performed in the last T20 match, I must say that they will not go away from this series easily. But it is true that ODI cricket and T20 are not the same. In African cricket team there are 3 or 4 batsman are good enough to score more runs. Especially De Kock, Rossouw, Aiden Markram and David Miller are renowned batsman in the world cricket. I deserve that they will perform well in this ODI cricket.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on October 05, 2022, 02:32:31 PM

Quote from: pakhitheboss on October 05, 2022, 06:09:32 AM

The first ODI will be played tomorrow. In total 3 ODI's will be played between these two teams. All three would be day and night matches. After defeating South Africa for the first time in T20 series in India, I am sure the men in blue would be trying to do the same in this ODI series. The Indian side will have a lot of new talents and it would be interesting to watch them.

India is not taking this ODI series seriously and you can understand that with the team that is announced for the series. All the main players are preparing for the upcoming T20 World Cup and even the coach will be flying to Australia while a second string India will be facing South Africa but on the other hand it is an important series for South Africa as they will be looking to get league points for the ODI World Cup.

Because they are not worried about qualification due to hosting rights, which ensure automatic entry to the host nation, then there is WC. This bilateral tour was just a practice series and a kind of a waste of time, even Ind vs Aus series too. Tbh I really don't understand, they know WC is in Australia and for some weird reason Australian team visiting India for random T-20 series.

And Proteas only have themselves to blame for being in a such tricky situation, they canceled the ODI series against Australia to facilitate their domestic league.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on October 05, 2022, 02:32:31 PM

India is not taking this ODI series seriously and you can understand that with the team that is announced for the series. All the main players are preparing for the upcoming T20 World Cup and even the coach will be flying to Australia while a second string India will be facing South Africa but on the other hand it is an important series for South Africa as they will be looking to get league points for the ODI World Cup.

The series may not be important for India, but it is extremely important for South Africa. The Proteas need to avoid a whitewash. If they lose by 0-3, then their chances of assuring direct qualification for the 2023 ODI World Cup will be slim. 2-1 series victory would be good, but even a 1-2 defeat won't be too bad for South Africa. And after this they have 3 ODI matches against Australia and 2 against Netherlands. If they lose all the matches, then they are out of the direct qualification even if they win all the remaining 5 matches.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on October 05, 2022, 06:09:32 AM

The first ODI will be played tomorrow. In total 3 ODI's will be played between these two teams. All three would be day and night matches. After defeating South Africa for the first time in T20 series in India, I am sure the men in blue would be trying to do the same in this ODI series. The Indian side will have a lot of new talents and it would be interesting to watch them.

India is not taking this ODI series seriously and you can understand that with the team that is announced for the series. All the main players are preparing for the upcoming T20 World Cup and even the coach will be flying to Australia while a second string India will be facing South Africa but on the other hand it is an important series for South Africa as they will be looking to get league points for the ODI World Cup.

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In current world every sport's organization is working on this motto more profit more facilities and better structure for their teams and players so if ICC is doing this we have no issue because this is happening for development of the game and increasing teams is also not issue but right now biggest threat is they are not working on solid policies which is surely killing the beauty of this game and many countries which are going with their native players are suffering because they have no enough quality right now, and they can improve, but they need funds and help from ICC which is not providing from them right now.

Many Gulf region countries are coming with fake teams which is surely no good same happening in few European teams and Canada as well, so they must think about this and bring good fair policy which help otherwise it's all just waste of time nothing else.

Really don't understand how having teams made out of foreign players can help the game at all.

If anything I think the biggest problem in cricket right now is teams and cricket boards not having equal rights with each other. Even the boating system looks unfair to me in cricket. All of these are done because the top 4 or the big four want to stay in power. And the ICC is also getting the most amount of money from these teams. So, the ICC is also not doing something about it.

If the teams can always be made out of 11 foreign players the poor cricket boards are always going to suffer because they are always going to try to find genuine talent. That's because foreigners don't go to those countries for opportunities.

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@Sithara007 the ODI format can be revamped by changing the existing rules for power play, and by arranging more Night ODI matches. Lastly in my personal opinion the ODI is a lucrative format that ICC will continue, but it needs more changes otherwise people will soon lose interest in this format too, thus it’ll be interesting to see what kind of changes does ICC implement for the ODI format.

ODI is lucrative, because an ODI match lasts for 7 hours compared to 3 hours for a T20I match. The number of advertisements that can be shown is greater, and even after taking in to account lower prices for the ODI ad space, I believe that in the end revenues from a single ODI match is more than that from a single T20I match. But the big question is whether this situation will remain in the long run. Younger fans are more interested in T20 format, and with every passing year people are having less amount of spare time to watch sports events.

I think with time people are going to be much more interested in those sports which are not so time-consuming like cricket and move towards those sports which take less time like football or UFC.

A simple reason why boxing is so popular is because it is very easy to understand and it does not take two or three hours to watch a boxing match. It didn't take two or three hours even when it was 15 rounds per match. I think obviously cricket is going to need ad revenue. And there are still a lot of people very interested in ODI cricket. People who generally actually like to see some skillful gameplay instead of smashing everything out of the field. But at the same time, it is also true that ODI cricket is also going to die just like test cricket if changes are not made.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on October 05, 2022, 02:47:53 AM

@Sithara007 the ODI format can be revamped by changing the existing rules for power play, and by arranging more Night ODI matches. Lastly in my personal opinion the ODI is a lucrative format that ICC will continue, but it needs more changes otherwise people will soon lose interest in this format too, thus it’ll be interesting to see what kind of changes does ICC implement for the ODI format.

ODI is lucrative, because an ODI match lasts for 7 hours compared to 3 hours for a T20I match. The number of advertisements that can be shown is greater, and even after taking in to account lower prices for the ODI ad space, I believe that in the end revenues from a single ODI match is more than that from a single T20I match. But the big question is whether this situation will remain in the long run. Younger fans are more interested in T20 format, and with every passing year people are having less amount of spare time to watch sports events.

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