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Quote from: JSRAW on July 30, 2022, 10:15:59 AM

BCCI has announced their ODI team for Zimbabwe tour. They are again going with 2nd string team and keep testing their bench strength.
Kohli, Bumrah and Shami are taking long break. Rishab, Rohit and Chahal (wasn't necessary) are also rested. KL Rahul still not fit i suppose.
Washington Sundar, Kuldeep Yadav and Deepak Chahar are finally back. Maiden call for Rahul Tripathi in the squad.

Against Zimbabwe, do they need players such as Shikhar Dhawan and Shardul Thakur? Anyway, another chance for Sanju Samson. This should be the last opportunity for him. He has failed at international level and if he can't perform this time as well, then other younger keepers such as Anju and Bharat should be given a chance instead. But good choice of Shikhar as the captain. I have always maintained that he is a much better captain when compared to the other choices such as Rishabh, Rohit and Rahul.

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Quote from: JSRAW on July 30, 2022, 12:20:49 PM

That was one possible solution to get his form back but i guess BCCI hardly believe in this narrative for right and wrong reasons.

Virat Kohli would get far better practice if he starts featuring in Domestic matches because next 6 WTC tests are in subcontinent and ODI WC is also in India so no brainer imo. At least it would be a lot better playing against Zim.

Now talking about Virat Kohli is completely waste of time and energy because his personal ego is bigger than his career and game, so he is paying for this all but here I am feeling happy about this announcement because they are doing right job with their youths which are going to be good for their preparations for next World Cup giving rest to Sr Members and having good faith with youths will surely help them in coming day with these practices matches they are going to take some good experience.

Bringing back few top ranked players and mixing with youths are going to be good as right now Zimbabwe is also in good form, and they are enjoying much success after qualifying for T-20 World cup.

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Quote from: JSRAW on July 30, 2022, 10:15:59 AM

BCCI has announced their ODI team for Zimbabwe tour. They are again going with 2nd string team and keep testing their bench strength.

Kohli, Bumrah and Shami are taking long break. Rishab, Rohit and Chahal (wasn't necessary) are also rested. KL Rahul still not fit i suppose.

Washington Sundar, Kuldeep Yadav and Deepak Chahar are finally back. Maiden call for Rahul Tripathi in the squad.

Virat Kohli should have been given a chance in the series against Zimbabwe. He has been out of form for three long years. Zimbabwe's bowling line-up is weak. Virat Kohli might have been able to play well against such a team. If he returns to form, he might be able to perform consistently well again. But BCCI rested Virat Kohli. It doesn't look like he will be able to return to form for the next World Cup. Kohli is probably going to be kicked out of the Indian team very quickly.

That was one possible solution to get his form back but i guess BCCI hardly believe in this narrative for right and wrong reasons.

Virat Kohli would get far better practice if he starts featuring in Domestic matches because next 6 WTC tests are in subcontinent and ODI WC is also in India so no brainer imo. At least it would be a lot better playing against Zim.

If he wants to return to form, he will have to be diligent. At the same time he has to perform in the match. Now if Virat Kohli is given a chance to practice in the domestic league matches to get back in form, then it might be good for Virat Kohli. I don't see any other way to return to form except by performing well in the match.

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Quote from: JSRAW on July 30, 2022, 10:15:59 AM

BCCI has announced their ODI team for Zimbabwe tour. They are again going with 2nd string team and keep testing their bench strength.

Kohli, Bumrah and Shami are taking long break. Rishab, Rohit and Chahal (wasn't necessary) are also rested. KL Rahul still not fit i suppose.

Washington Sundar, Kuldeep Yadav and Deepak Chahar are finally back. Maiden call for Rahul Tripathi in the squad.

Virat Kohli should have been given a chance in the series against Zimbabwe. He has been out of form for three long years. Zimbabwe's bowling line-up is weak. Virat Kohli might have been able to play well against such a team. If he returns to form, he might be able to perform consistently well again. But BCCI rested Virat Kohli. It doesn't look like he will be able to return to form for the next World Cup. Kohli is probably going to be kicked out of the Indian team very quickly.

That was one possible solution to get his form back but i guess BCCI hardly believe in this narrative for right and wrong reasons.

Virat Kohli would get far better practice if he starts featuring in Domestic matches because next 6 WTC tests are in subcontinent and ODI WC is also in India so no brainer imo. At least it would be a lot better playing against Zim.

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Quote from: JSRAW on July 30, 2022, 10:15:59 AM

BCCI has announced their ODI team for Zimbabwe tour. They are again going with 2nd string team and keep testing their bench strength.

Kohli, Bumrah and Shami are taking long break. Rishab, Rohit and Chahal (wasn't necessary) are also rested. KL Rahul still not fit i suppose.

Washington Sundar, Kuldeep Yadav and Deepak Chahar are finally back. Maiden call for Rahul Tripathi in the squad.

Virat Kohli should have been given a chance in the series against Zimbabwe. He has been out of form for three long years. Zimbabwe's bowling line-up is weak. Virat Kohli might have been able to play well against such a team. If he returns to form, he might be able to perform consistently well again. But BCCI rested Virat Kohli. It doesn't look like he will be able to return to form for the next World Cup. Kohli is probably going to be kicked out of the Indian team very quickly.

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Quote from: Haunebu on July 29, 2022, 11:38:09 PM

You forgot about Sunil Narine who is easily one of the best spinners and all-rounders these days. I primarily like the fact that he is always calm and stable no matter what.

Oh.. I didn't forgot about him. The fact is that he is not interested in playing for the national team. Sunil Narine last played test cricket for West Indies almost a decade ago. His last ODI match for West Indies was in 2016. Right now he is playing county cricket for Surrey in England. If a player is not available, how can we count him as a part of the team? The same with players such as Pollard, Russell and Bravo as well. If these players were available for the series, then who knows. The outcome would have been different.

Sunil Narine was a good all rounder in his early days. At the moment he is another cricket veteran who plays county cricket and league cricket to make his end meet. There was time when batters would hesitate to attack him as a bowler and bowlers would try to avoid those lose balls. He made his name at a very early stage but now he is just no one in my opinion. He is already 34 and is not that fit anymore considering other players of the same age. He was selected by KKR in 2012 and is still in the team. I some how believe that his days as a cricket player are outnumbered.

I still remember the IPL days of Sunil Narine. We always knew him as a bowler but in the T-20 format, he has proved that he is a capable all-rounder. And I can only imagine how he could give his services to his national team. But of course because of all the problems in the West Indies national team he did not play for long. He is a talented player and I am quite sure that a lot of other players like him also got lost through time. Once West Indies was a crate team and a force to be reckoned with. It is sad to see the situation they are in now.

Yes, I also remember the KKR days of Sunil Narine. The only spinner who knows how to spin the ball both ways without changing his bowling action. The batsmen had to guess where the ball would spin by looking at the line.

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BCCI has announced their ODI team for Zimbabwe tour. They are again going with 2nd string team and keep testing their bench strength.

Kohli, Bumrah and Shami are taking long break. Rishab, Rohit and Chahal (wasn't necessary) are also rested. KL Rahul still not fit i suppose.

Washington Sundar, Kuldeep Yadav and Deepak Chahar are finally back. Maiden call for Rahul Tripathi in the squad.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 30, 2022, 05:18:57 AM

Quote from: Haunebu on July 29, 2022, 11:38:09 PM

You forgot about Sunil Narine who is easily one of the best spinners and all-rounders these days. I primarily like the fact that he is always calm and stable no matter what.

Oh.. I didn't forgot about him. The fact is that he is not interested in playing for the national team. Sunil Narine last played test cricket for West Indies almost a decade ago. His last ODI match for West Indies was in 2016. Right now he is playing county cricket for Surrey in England. If a player is not available, how can we count him as a part of the team? The same with players such as Pollard, Russell and Bravo as well. If these players were available for the series, then who knows. The outcome would have been different.

Sunil Narine was a good all rounder in his early days. At the moment he is another cricket veteran who plays county cricket and league cricket to make his end meet. There was time when batters would hesitate to attack him as a bowler and bowlers would try to avoid those lose balls. He made his name at a very early stage but now he is just no one in my opinion. He is already 34 and is not that fit anymore considering other players of the same age. He was selected by KKR in 2012 and is still in the team. I some how believe that his days as a cricket player are outnumbered.

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Quote from: Haunebu on July 29, 2022, 11:38:09 PM

You forgot about Sunil Narine who is easily one of the best spinners and all-rounders these days. I primarily like the fact that he is always calm and stable no matter what.

Oh.. I didn't forgot about him. The fact is that he is not interested in playing for the national team. Sunil Narine last played test cricket for West Indies almost a decade ago. His last ODI match for West Indies was in 2016. Right now he is playing county cricket for Surrey in England. If a player is not available, how can we count him as a part of the team? The same with players such as Pollard, Russell and Bravo as well. If these players were available for the series, then who knows. The outcome would have been different.

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Quote from: Iranus on July 30, 2022, 01:05:39 AM

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Now revival of West Indies cricket is just a dream because they are not near to have any positive fight back in near future their biggest concern is bowling department which is not bringing any quality bowler for them in last two decades after due of Walsh and Ambrose

It's not just that West Indian bowlers are facing the bad condition but their batting line-up is also fragile and becomes more vulnerable. Overall their current cricketing condition is not so good in all format. T20 World Cup cricket will be held after few months later but if they can't change the current situation they won't be able to go far in their T20 World Cup cricket. At this moment they have to perform well on both sites.

West Indies players performed well against relatively weaker teams. But they cannot play well against strong teams. Even though they played well against Bangladesh in the T20 format, their batting in the ODI format was terrible. West Indies will probably be eliminated from the first round in the next World Cup. In India vs West Indies match we see Indian dominance every match. Every match is one sided. India is winning very easily.

Though West Indies lost recent odi series against India but there performance was almost as good as India in first two ODIs. The lost lost first and second ODI by very close margin. Still they need to work hard to improve there performance with such performance they can't play with teams like Australia, Pakistan etc.

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Now revival of West Indies cricket is just a dream because they are not near to have any positive fight back in near future their biggest concern is bowling department which is not bringing any quality bowler for them in last two decades after due of Walsh and Ambrose

It's not just that West Indian bowlers are facing the bad condition but their batting line-up is also fragile and becomes more vulnerable. Overall their current cricketing condition is not so good in all format. T20 World Cup cricket will be held after few months later but if they can't change the current situation they won't be able to go far in their T20 World Cup cricket. At this moment they have to perform well on both sites.

West Indies players performed well against relatively weaker teams. But they cannot play well against strong teams. Even though they played well against Bangladesh in the T20 format, their batting in the ODI format was terrible. West Indies will probably be eliminated from the first round in the next World Cup. In India vs West Indies match we see Indian dominance every match. Every match is one sided. India is winning very easily.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 29, 2022, 02:21:07 AM

West Indies bowlers are a joke now. There used to be a time when Curtly Ambrose and Courtney Walsh would terrorize the batsmen from opposing teams. Even the Australian legends such as Steve Waugh and Adam Gilchrist were afraid to face these two. Before that, they had legends such as Malcolm Marshall, Michael Holding and Joel Garner. And look at the current bunch of West Indian pacers. They look so pathetic. It is a painful sight to watch them getting hammered around the park by second-string Indian players.

I agree. Ambrose and Walsh were legends back in those days while the only West Indian bowler who I prefer these days is Joseph. Roach was decent too, but he is very inconsistent these days. West Indian board should be held accountable.

Quote from: Sithara007 on July 29, 2022, 09:15:32 PM

Also, West Indies badly lacks a quality spinner. Spin was always a weak point for them, but now the situation is much worse than it used to be. Players such as Akeal Hosein and Fabian Allen doesn't have the ability to trouble batsmen at international level.

You forgot about Sunil Narine who is easily one of the best spinners and all-rounders these days. I primarily like the fact that he is always calm and stable no matter what.

Quote from: GigaBit on July 29, 2022, 10:18:45 PM

T20 World Cup cricket will be held after few months later but if they can't change the current situation they won't be able to go far in their T20 World Cup cricket. At this moment they have to perform well on both sites.

One thing that I have learnt over time is that West Indies should never be underestimated in the T-20 format no matter how badly they perform across other formats.

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Quote from: savetheFORUM on July 29, 2022, 04:52:59 PM

Now revival of West Indies cricket is just a dream because they are not near to have any positive fight back in near future their biggest concern is bowling department which is not bringing any quality bowler for them in last two decades after due of Walsh and Ambrose

It's not just that West Indian bowlers are facing the bad condition but their batting line-up is also fragile and becomes more vulnerable. Overall their current cricketing condition is not so good in all format. T20 World Cup cricket will be held after few months later but if they can't change the current situation they won't be able to go far in their T20 World Cup cricket. At this moment they have to perform well on both sites.

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Quote from: savetheFORUM on July 29, 2022, 04:52:59 PM

Now revival of West Indies cricket is just a dream because they are not near to have any positive fight back in near future their biggest concern is bowling department which is not bringing any quality bowler for them in last two decades after due of Walsh and Ambrose, and we are not having any good thing coming for them in near future as well even white ball game is also going away from their approach due to poor performance and having not quality players in their squad.

Right now having few average all-rounders and poor bowling attack giving them new setback in their defeats and at home they can do better in test against weak sides with still they are losing against quality teams.

I agree. Most of the players are "average" and not any better. Unfortunately for them, star players such as Darren Bravo, Andre Russell and Kieron Pollard are not interested in representing the national team anymore. So the selectors are forced to rely upon these inexperienced and average players. Also, West Indies badly lacks a quality spinner. Spin was always a weak point for them, but now the situation is much worse than it used to be. Players such as Akeal Hosein and Fabian Allen doesn't have the ability to trouble batsmen at international level.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 28, 2022, 09:25:18 PM

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West Indies played good cricket, but it wasn't able to make a win. Looking over the first two matches, it is clear West Indies performed well with its scores above 300. If this was against some other team and not India, then this could've been a win for West Indies.

Nowadays, 300 is not a very big total in ODI cricket. Most of the surfaces doesn't offer any support for the bowlers and so far in this series, the pitches in West Indies also behaved the same way. Indian bowling attack is one of the best, and despite that they conceded so many runs. The problem with West Indies is with their batting. The players had good openings, but they failed to convert it to match-winning knocks. Team bonding was always an issue with West Indies. And I could feel the same during Wednesday's match.

Now revival of West Indies cricket is just a dream because they are not near to have any positive fight back in near future their biggest concern is bowling department which is not bringing any quality bowler for them in last two decades after due of Walsh and Ambrose, and we are not having any good thing coming for them in near future as well even white ball game is also going away from their approach due to poor performance and having not quality players in their squad.

Right now having few average all-rounders and poor bowling attack giving them new setback in their defeats and at home they can do better in test against weak sides with still they are losing against quality teams.

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Quote from: Haunebu on July 29, 2022, 12:16:24 AM

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I think India has been able to revive their old cricket where they are all the best.

I don't think so. They only won the last match convincingly while they won the first two matches by slim margins primarily due to luck siding with them. West Indies could have actually won the series(2-1) if luck sided with them if you think about it.

They need to work a lot harder to improve their game(Especially their bowling department) in order to consistently win matches against all teams across the world.

Absolutely WI could have easily won 2 ODI's but they did not because they lack that kind of experience as the team is completely brand new. Another reason was that India has a good batting depth. Players like Axar Patel can come in handy when they are needed and at the same time, Indian bowlers have started showing a lot of improvement and discipline. In my opinion, this WI side needs to work on both batting and bowling and in no time they will become competetive.

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Quote from: Haunebu on July 29, 2022, 12:16:24 AM

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They need to work a lot harder to improve their game(Especially their bowling department) in order to consistently win matches against all teams across the world.

West Indies bowlers are a joke now. There used to be a time when Curtly Ambrose and Courtney Walsh would terrorize the batsmen from opposing teams. Even the Australian legends such as Steve Waugh and Adam Gilchrist were afraid to face these two. Before that, they had legends such as Malcolm Marshall, Michael Holding and Joel Garner. And look at the current bunch of West Indian pacers. They look so pathetic. It is a painful sight to watch them getting hammered around the park by second-string Indian players.

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Quote from: BobK71 on July 28, 2022, 02:13:43 PM

I think India has been able to revive their old cricket where they are all the best.

I don't think so. They only won the last match convincingly while they won the first two matches by slim margins primarily due to luck siding with them. West Indies could have actually won the series(2-1) if luck sided with them if you think about it.

They need to work a lot harder to improve their game(Especially their bowling department) in order to consistently win matches against all teams across the world.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 28, 2022, 09:25:18 PM

Quote from: Vaskiy on July 28, 2022, 06:14:43 PM

West Indies played good cricket, but it wasn't able to make a win. Looking over the first two matches, it is clear West Indies performed well with its scores above 300. If this was against some other team and not India, then this could've been a win for West Indies.

Nowadays, 300 is not a very big total in ODI cricket. Most of the surfaces doesn't offer any support for the bowlers and so far in this series, the pitches in West Indies also behaved the same way. Indian bowling attack is one of the best, and despite that they conceded so many runs. The problem with West Indies is with their batting. The players had good openings, but they failed to convert it to match-winning knocks. Team bonding was always an issue with West Indies. And I could feel the same during Wednesday's match.

^ We obviously cannot deny that India is a far better team compared to the West Indies. Even if West Indies have some power and a little bit of stability in betting right now, I don’t think they have any type of stability in the bowling department. There is no reliable score for West Indies right now. If they play against a weaker opponent or opponents of the same level, it is different, but against India, that is not the case.

In the last ODI, the rain interruption caused a lot of problems for the West Indies as well. I thought that they couldn’t even get set. When you have to think about the DLS method consistently, it is always challenging.

India just proved that they are better in almost every aspect of the game than the West Indies.

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Quote from: Vaskiy on July 28, 2022, 06:14:43 PM

West Indies played good cricket, but it wasn't able to make a win. Looking over the first two matches, it is clear West Indies performed well with its scores above 300. If this was against some other team and not India, then this could've been a win for West Indies.

Nowadays, 300 is not a very big total in ODI cricket. Most of the surfaces doesn't offer any support for the bowlers and so far in this series, the pitches in West Indies also behaved the same way. Indian bowling attack is one of the best, and despite that they conceded so many runs. The problem with West Indies is with their batting. The players had good openings, but they failed to convert it to match-winning knocks. Team bonding was always an issue with West Indies. And I could feel the same during Wednesday's match.

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