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Quote from: Marvell1 on August 03, 2022, 01:33:39 PM

There are a lot of people talking shit about Virat Kohli at this time. But we have to realize that this is just a phase and Virat Kohli will have to do his part to overcome it. Yes, he is a tiny bit more arrogant and egoistic. But perhaps it's just his nature and we honestly cannot do anything about it. Now the only thing which Virat Kohli should think about is how to improve his cricket and stay out of politics. That is obviously going to be difficult because his wife is a big Bollywood star.

So attention comes his way even though he does not want it. It will be extremely difficult for Virat Kohli to improve and also stay away from the life of fame. However, he will have to do that for his own sake. If he does not get selected for the T20 World Cup then it is going to be a blessing in disguise in my opinion. That will give him time to reflect on himself and probably make him a lot more humble.

The last time he played well was in 2019, we are in 2022 and I do not think this is just a phase. The problem with him is that he is least bothered to do his part to overcome his poor performance. Apart from being focused on cricket, he has been everywhere and he also thinks of himself as someone who will not get dropped from the national team. BCCI will give him ample opportunity and I am sure they will closely monitor his performance in the upcoming Asia Cup. If he does well then he will surely be part of the Indian squad for the T20WC.

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At one point Kohli was compared with Sachin Tendulkar. He himself has confessed that if anyone who can break all his records is Kohli. He also went through the same rough patch in his career as a cricketer. He is to date considered as God of cricket but he was never arrogant and crazy for fame. There are a lot of cricket fans in India like me who hate Kholi for his fasad off and on the field. I do not think he deserve any respect but he is again a one of the only kind who has a lot of connections. I don't want this guy to get selected for the Asia Cup, as after 2019 his performance has gone down but his attitude on field has not. I am sure that he will get selected but if he doesn't perform well in this cup then he will face the wrath and might get permanently dropped.

There are a lot of people talking shit about Virat Kohli at this time. But we have to realize that this is just a phase and Virat Kohli will have to do his part to overcome it. Yes, he is a tiny bit more arrogant and egoistic. But perhaps it's just his nature and we honestly cannot do anything about it. Now the only thing which Virat Kohli should think about is how to improve his cricket and stay out of politics. That is obviously going to be difficult because his wife is a big Bollywood star.

So attention comes his way even though he does not want it. It will be extremely difficult for Virat Kohli to improve and also stay away from the life of fame. However, he will have to do that for his own sake. If he does not get selected for the T20 World Cup then it is going to be a blessing in disguise in my opinion. That will give him time to reflect on himself and probably make him a lot more humble.

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Quote from: Marvell1 on August 02, 2022, 01:10:43 PM

The problem is, in India any successful cricketer is a very big public figure. Obviously, Virat Kohli is one of the biggest stars in cricket in the whole world. So he is obviously also a star in India. It is also interesting to notice that people not only in India but also on the foreign subcontinent talk a lot negatively about star players when they do not perform up to expectations. Virat Kohli has made it harder on himself by concentrating on Bollywood and politics. The only thing I can hope for is that he will be able to perform better. But he will have to work really hard for that. Sincerely, he needs to come out of the world he is currently in.

At one point Kohli was compared with Sachin Tendulkar. He himself has confessed that if anyone who can break all his records is Kohli. He also went through the same rough patch in his career as a cricketer. He is to date considered as God of cricket but he was never arrogant and crazy for fame. There are a lot of cricket fans in India like me who hate Kholi for his fasad off and on the field. I do not think he deserve any respect but he is again a one of the only kind who has a lot of connections. I don't want this guy to get selected for the Asia Cup, as after 2019 his performance has gone down but his attitude on field has not. I am sure that he will get selected but if he doesn't perform well in this cup then he will face the wrath and might get permanently dropped.

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Well.. I posted about this a few weeks back. In the end, a lot depends on funding. During the previous funding cycle, associate nations were allotted around $62.5 million per year, which was divided up among the 100 or so national boards. Based on the performance, teams such as Netherlands received a larger share compared to bottom ranked boards such as Maldives and Myanmar. However for the 2015-23 funding cycle, this allocation was reduced to $20 million per year. The reduction amounted to 70%. Obviously we can't expect things to remain the same when that happens.

We can also see that the quality of those teams have also reduced. That reduction started during that time. When ICC reduced the allotted funds by a huge margin. It is not clear to me why ICC did that. Before we could see a lot of teams, smaller teams/associated teams coming forward and performing well. But after that reduction now it is hardly seen.

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Now it's all going to be ended because most chances as franchise leagues are going to be operated then surely ICC is going to have some issues which are tough challenge for them to settle with this now they need to do some better things for good future because if they are not able to have any suitable system for them surely these countries are going to suffer badly even few can lose their current level as well.

Cut down from big amount to very less mean in future they can take more action and these countries can suffer more loses countries like the Netherlands, Maldives and Myanmar have no good income source which is also going to hurt them badly with just few will be able to have better income from their domestic sources.

There are a lot of countries that absolutely depend on the funds they get from the ICC. Because in those countries lifestyle is very difficult. People don’t make enough money. So it is very challenging to imagine them spending money on cricket instead of spending money on something more meaningful and worthwhile in their life. As a result, ICC is taking these decisions because they are not getting enough revenue from these countries. But that’s what made things worse.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 02, 2022, 10:01:14 PM

In the end, a lot depends on funding. During the previous funding cycle, associate nations were allotted around $62.5 million per year, which was divided up among the 100 or so national boards. Based on the performance, teams such as Netherlands received a larger share compared to bottom ranked boards such as Maldives and Myanmar. However for the 2015-23 funding cycle, this allocation was reduced to $20 million per year. The reduction amounted to 70%. Obviously we can't expect things to remain the same when that happens.

Now it's all going to be ended because most chances as franchise leagues are going to be operated then surely ICC is going to have some issues which are tough challenge for them to settle with this now they need to do some better things for good future because if they are not able to have any suitable system for them surely these countries are going to suffer badly even few can lose their current level as well.

Cut down from big amount to very less mean in future they can take more action and these countries can suffer more loses countries like the Netherlands, Maldives and Myanmar have no good income source which is also going to hurt them badly with just few will be able to have better income from their domestic sources.

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Quote from: posi on August 02, 2022, 06:55:53 PM

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It is good to see a lot of people supporting associate nations such as Scotland and Netherlands. But IMO, their quality has gone down over the years. Both these teams have scored a few big upsets in the past. But recently they haven't managed to do so, despite playing a greater number of matches against the big teams. Both of them have a good number of players participating in English county cricket. And these players remain unavailable for most of the national matches. This maybe one of the reasons for the recent loss of form.

There is obviously going to be a reduction in quality if it does not have a serious attitude toward the smaller teams. If ICC provided the much-needed help for the smaller clubs, the situation would have been different. When there is no security for a player in the future, they are not willing to take cricket as a job. And the money which ICC gives them is obviously not the most suitable amount of money.

What I will say is that these teams are trying hard. Recently Ireland showed a commendable performance against India. They were not able to win anything but I have to say the performance was quite admirable. It would have been much better if they played consistently.

Well.. I posted about this a few weeks back. In the end, a lot depends on funding. During the previous funding cycle, associate nations were allotted around $62.5 million per year, which was divided up among the 100 or so national boards. Based on the performance, teams such as Netherlands received a larger share compared to bottom ranked boards such as Maldives and Myanmar. However for the 2015-23 funding cycle, this allocation was reduced to $20 million per year. The reduction amounted to 70%. Obviously we can't expect things to remain the same when that happens.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 01, 2022, 10:15:13 PM

It is good to see a lot of people supporting associate nations such as Scotland and Netherlands. But IMO, their quality has gone down over the years. Both these teams have scored a few big upsets in the past. But recently they haven't managed to do so, despite playing a greater number of matches against the big teams. Both of them have a good number of players participating in English county cricket. And these players remain unavailable for most of the national matches. This maybe one of the reasons for the recent loss of form.

There is obviously going to be a reduction in quality if it does not have a serious attitude toward the smaller teams. If ICC provided the much-needed help for the smaller clubs, the situation would have been different. When there is no security for a player in the future, they are not willing to take cricket as a job. And the money which ICC gives them is obviously not the most suitable amount of money.

What I will say is that these teams are trying hard. Recently Ireland showed a commendable performance against India. They were not able to win anything but I have to say the performance was quite admirable. It would have been much better if they played consistently.

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Quote from: Haunebu on August 02, 2022, 12:06:25 AM

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I do not think Kohli's current problems are solely the result of his own actions. I think the huge expectation from him also has something to do with it. I believe that too much expectation has also got the better of him. India is obviously a cricket-crazy nation. So if a player is playing badly or is not up to the mark, people tend to point that out. So there is always some kind of pressure on the players because of that.

True, but he hasn't been performing well for years now which implies that all the blame against him is justified to some extent. The fans wanted him to become the next MSD, but he ended up becoming an average captain.
He is used to coping with pressure thanks to his immense experience which is why I feel that factors like advertisements, Bollywood, TV shows etc affected him a lot more in comparison.

The problem is, in India any successful cricketer is a very big public figure. Obviously, Virat Kohli is one of the biggest stars in cricket in the whole world. So he is obviously also a star in India. It is also interesting to notice that people not only in India but also on the foreign subcontinent talk a lot negatively about star players when they do not perform up to expectations. Virat Kohli has made it harder on himself by concentrating on Bollywood and politics. The only thing I can hope for is that he will be able to perform better. But he will have to work really hard for that. Sincerely, he needs to come out of the world he is currently in.

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At the beginning of the series, we expected the matches to be one-sided. In practical terms, Scotland could not put up any resistance against New Zealand. Scotland lost two T20 matches But they tried their best in ODI. They scored well in the ODI match but New Zealand didn't care. New Zealand won the match by 7 wickets.

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Quote from: Marvell1 on August 01, 2022, 09:53:43 AM

I do not think Kohli's current problems are solely the result of his own actions. I think the huge expectation from him also has something to do with it. I believe that too much expectation has also got the better of him. India is obviously a cricket-crazy nation. So if a player is playing badly or is not up to the mark, people tend to point that out. So there is always some kind of pressure on the players because of that.

True, but he hasn't been performing well for years now which implies that all the blame against him is justified to some extent. The fans wanted him to become the next MSD, but he ended up becoming an average captain.

He is used to coping with pressure thanks to his immense experience which is why I feel that factors like advertisements, Bollywood, TV shows etc affected him a lot more in comparison.

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It is good to see a lot of people supporting associate nations such as Scotland and Netherlands. But IMO, their quality has gone down over the years. Both these teams have scored a few big upsets in the past. But recently they haven't managed to do so, despite playing a greater number of matches against the big teams. Both of them have a good number of players participating in English county cricket. And these players remain unavailable for most of the national matches. This maybe one of the reasons for the recent loss of form.

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Quote from: virasog on August 01, 2022, 05:10:45 PM

A good game by Scotland. No one expected this by them.
Will they be able to sustain this? NZ on the other hand need a lot of improvement. A win by mere 16 runs against the weakest team is not a good performance by NZ .
I think ICC should give more matches to Scotland. The more matches small teams play, the better they can perform.

None could've expected this from Scotland players. From Scotland every player made their contribution. The score is really good, and New Zealand from the very beginning played in a much comfortable way playing the right shots. Because losing the match will surely be a backdrop for them. 306 runs against New Zealand is simply big and it needs to improve bowling strategies.

ICC always thinks of providing games to the team that bring in money. Giving chances for these teams against the top order teams will make them progress better.

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Scotland vs New Zealand

The first ODI match between Scotland and New Zealand is taking place. Scotland won the toss and decided to bat. At the end of 10 overs, their collection is 55/1. Against an experienced team like New Zealand, Scotland started well. If they don't lose wickets too quickly, they will be able to set a target of more than 280 today. However, Scotland's bowling line-up is very weak. I don't think they can win even if they give a target of more than 300.

However, the players of Scotland were able to start the innings quite well. But after losing the second wicket for 69 runs, they lost 5 of their key batsmen within 107 runs. Scotland collected only 110 runs in 26 overs. Their run rate is only 4.2. I guess Scotland's innings will end between 160/180. Before playing the series against top-tier teams, Scotland should host a series with teams like Zimbabwe and Netherlands. They need more improvement

With Michael Leask's excellent batting, Scotland might be able to set a big target. Michael Leask is still unbeaten on 78 off 50 balls. He hit 8 fours and 4 over boundaries. Scotland has already collected 238 runs. If the New Zealand bowlers fail to pick up Michael Leask's wicket, Scotland look set to set a target of over 300 today. Scotland has collected 45 runs in the last 5 overs.

All the Scotland players played very well. Michael Leask was dismissed for 85 off 55 balls. Michael Leask played very well I think. Matthew Cross was dismissed for 53 off 58 balls. Scotland scored 299 runs in 49 overs and they lost 9 wickets. They played a very good game. It seems that if they tried to play a bit more ball, they would have scored more runs in this match.

I enjoyed the game of Scotland vs New Zealand and i saw Scotland is plying so cool and specially Michael Leask played very well. also others players of Scotland is played well but they didn't play as well as Michael Leask. However I enjoy their game a lot and support them.

Scotland's batting has surprised everyone today. After losing 5 wickets for 107 runs, Scotland scored 306 runs. It is incredible. They batted very well. But Scotland's bowlers are not experienced enough. Even after giving a huge target of 307, their chances of defeat are high. New Zealand scored 126 runs for the loss of 2 wickets in 22.2 overs

A good game by Scotland. No one expected this by them.
Will they be able to sustain this? NZ on the other hand need a lot of improvement. A win by mere 16 runs against the weakest team is not a good performance by NZ .
I think ICC should give more matches to Scotland. The more matches small teams play, the better they can perform.

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I think he should retire from one format, just like Ben Stokes. He can then concentrate on his performance on the other format. The other option would be to take a big break from all forms of cricket and then make a comeback. Getting humiliated like this from everyone won't help him at all. BCCI has already started giving him breaks and if he doesn't improve his performance then he might get permanently dropped.

King kohli should be given break long ago but bcci gave him too much chances and he failed everytime. I think it's too early to say he should retire from some formats. He is given a deserving break and he must go back and play domestic cricket, he still have potential to play all formats.

Kohli is already on break as after England tour he is not in West Indies tour and selectors already announces squad for Zimbabwe tour where again he is not which mean they are giving him break which is good for him but just having break is not solution he needs to play some domestic cricket or county cricket which will help him for having some good development and confidence in his batting which he lost few years back and unable to fight back from this poor form.

With current situation other solution is he just take retirement from t20i and ODI which is also better for his career and play in IPL and test matches which is also going to help him after offloading some games and having good time for checking his mistakes and problems because playing too many games is also not favorable for him and his game.

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Quote from: BALIK on August 01, 2022, 01:06:17 PM

Scotland's batting performance impressed everyone. After losing 5 wickets at 107 no one expected Scotland to give the target of 307 for this match. However, I was sure that Scotland would lose this match. Due to very few experienced players in their squad. And the performance of the bowlers is not good. Scotland should now strengthen the bowling line-up. Then they will be able to challenge any strong team in the future.

Scotland and other such associate countries must be given more such chances so that they will learn more. Now one thing is clear to Scotland that they need more focus on there bowling lineup. Scotland batting is strong, following is evidence of there performance against Newzealand in t20 worldcup.

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Quote from: topman21 on August 01, 2022, 12:15:35 PM

Yes indeed, Scotland's batting performance has captured the hearts of all the spectators. Although they lost to New Zealand, they played very well. They lost five wickets in a row for 107 runs and then scored 306 runs to give a very good performance in the public mind. But if Scotland could have put in a better bowling performance, the match would have gone in their favour. But they couldn't do that which led to a loss to New Zealand.

Scotland's batting performance impressed everyone. After losing 5 wickets at 107 no one expected Scotland to give the target of 307 for this match. However, I was sure that Scotland would lose this match. Due to very few experienced players in their squad. And the performance of the bowlers is not good. Scotland should now strengthen the bowling line-up. Then they will be able to challenge any strong team in the future.

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Scotland vs New Zealand

The first ODI match between Scotland and New Zealand is taking place. Scotland won the toss and decided to bat. At the end of 10 overs, their collection is 55/1. Against an experienced team like New Zealand, Scotland started well. If they don't lose wickets too quickly, they will be able to set a target of more than 280 today. However, Scotland's bowling line-up is very weak. I don't think they can win even if they give a target of more than 300.

However, the players of Scotland were able to start the innings quite well. But after losing the second wicket for 69 runs, they lost 5 of their key batsmen within 107 runs. Scotland collected only 110 runs in 26 overs. Their run rate is only 4.2. I guess Scotland's innings will end between 160/180. Before playing the series against top-tier teams, Scotland should host a series with teams like Zimbabwe and Netherlands. They need more improvement

With Michael Leask's excellent batting, Scotland might be able to set a big target. Michael Leask is still unbeaten on 78 off 50 balls. He hit 8 fours and 4 over boundaries. Scotland has already collected 238 runs. If the New Zealand bowlers fail to pick up Michael Leask's wicket, Scotland look set to set a target of over 300 today. Scotland has collected 45 runs in the last 5 overs.

All the Scotland players played very well. Michael Leask was dismissed for 85 off 55 balls. Michael Leask played very well I think. Matthew Cross was dismissed for 53 off 58 balls. Scotland scored 299 runs in 49 overs and they lost 9 wickets. They played a very good game. It seems that if they tried to play a bit more ball, they would have scored more runs in this match.

I enjoyed the game of Scotland vs New Zealand and i saw Scotland is plying so cool and specially Michael Leask played very well. also others players of Scotland is played well but they didn't play as well as Michael Leask. However I enjoy their game a lot and support them.

Scotland's batting has surprised everyone today. After losing 5 wickets for 107 runs, Scotland scored 306 runs. It is incredible. They batted very well. But Scotland's bowlers are not experienced enough. Even after giving a huge target of 307, their chances of defeat are high. New Zealand scored 126 runs for the loss of 2 wickets in 22.2 overs

Yes indeed, Scotland's batting performance has captured the hearts of all the spectators. Although they lost to New Zealand, they played very well. They lost five wickets in a row for 107 runs and then scored 306 runs to give a very good performance in the public mind. But if Scotland could have put in a better bowling performance, the match would have gone in their favour. But they couldn't do that which led to a loss to New Zealand.

SCO - 306/ (49.4)
NZ - 307/3 (45.5)
New Zealand won by 7 wkts.

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Well said. So many great cricketers messed up their careers by dabbling with politics and movies for the sake of fame and money(Imran Khan etc).
Kohli clearly couldn't handle the pressure as the captain of the Indian team across all formats which ultimately affected his batting skills too. This is why I do agree with what you said about them doing him a favor by giving him a break.

I think he should retire from one format, just like Ben Stokes. He can then concentrate on his performance on the other format. The other option would be to take a big break from all forms of cricket and then make a comeback. Getting humiliated like this from everyone won't help him at all. BCCI has already started giving him breaks and if he doesn't improve his performance then he might get permanently dropped.

I don’t know if retiring from one format is going to be the most appropriate option for him. But at the same time I think if he actually decides to retire, he should retire from the test format. That format is not doing well anyway. And if he just concentrates on doing well in ODI and T-20 cricket, he should be doing much better. The biggest thing is that he has to regain his confidence again. Once he does that he will be able to perform more efficiently once again. I don’t think he will be permanently dropped. He is about to be given chance again but he will surely have to prove himself then.

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I do not think Kohli's current problems are solely the result of his own actions. I think the huge expectation from him also has something to do with it. I believe that too much expectation has also got the better of him. India is obviously a cricket-crazy nation. So if a player is playing badly or is not up to the mark, people tend to point that out. So there is always some kind of pressure on the players because of that.

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Well said. So many great cricketers messed up their careers by dabbling with politics and movies for the sake of fame and money(Imran Khan etc).
Kohli clearly couldn't handle the pressure as the captain of the Indian team across all formats which ultimately affected his batting skills too. This is why I do agree with what you said about them doing him a favor by giving him a break.

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Virat Kohli should have been given a chance in the series against Zimbabwe. He has been out of form for three long years. Zimbabwe's bowling line-up is weak. Virat Kohli might have been able to play well against such a team. If he returns to form, he might be able to perform consistently well again. But BCCI rested Virat Kohli. It doesn't look like he will be able to return to form for the next World Cup. Kohli is probably going to be kicked out of the Indian team very quickly.

That was one possible solution to get his form back but i guess BCCI hardly believe in this narrative for right and wrong reasons.
Virat Kohli would get far better practice if he starts featuring in Domestic matches because next 6 WTC tests are in subcontinent and ODI WC is also in India so no brainer imo. At least it would be a lot better playing against Zim.

I think Virat Kohli still didn’t agree to take a break. Probably he might be forced to take a break, to be honest. But sometimes that is the right way. Because we know Virat Kohli. And he is obviously someone who did not want to take a break. Or at least we can guess that from his characteristics. So, I think this is a positive thing that BCCI has done for Virat Kohli. I also thought that there were a lot of tournaments going to happen on the subcontinent. And Virat Kohli being in the team could be a positive thing for India. But it would have been better if Virat Kohli actually performed well. Otherwise, it would have been a lot less pleasant for him and the entire team.

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