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Quote from: JSRAW on April 12, 2022, 11:07:55 AM

Local population of Gulf countries are not interested in Cricket and it's clear if we look at their domestic setup, majority of them are made up with expat's kids (mostly from Indian subcontinent). This move automatically gets a green light for the ICC's fund and by doing so they are eating share of deserving countries like Nepal, thailand etc

Nepal is located in area where top cricket countries ar3 are located like India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Srilanka. Still we haven't seen Nepal in any main icc tournament so far, while teams of uae and Oman are seen in majority of icc main tournament. There should be law that only locals will be allowed to be part of team.

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Gulf countries never give any citizenship to expats, all those playing in teams of Oman and UAE are there on work visa. The only problem is that teams like Nepal and PNG are suffering due go such policies. Take teams of native players to main eco system of cricket and they will stay here forever.

This rotten system was brought in by the Sharad Pawar-Srinivasan mafia, when they were in control of the ICC/BCCI. The intention was to please the bosses of Emirates cricket board. But in turn, this decision destroyed the game in some of the more promising countries such as Kenya, Nepal and China, which relied mostly on native players. To add insult to injury, the ICC heavily reduced funding to associate nations when these two were in power and teams with native players suffered the most.

I do not hink that was a bad idea. I guess this system did encourage a lot of countries to be part of the cricket fraternity. It is also encouraging young talent who knew that they will not be a part of the main stream to sell their talent and earn good money. If three countries were left behind then it is a problem with their boards who were either not serious enough or were corrupted.

Local population of Gulf countries are not interested in Cricket and it's clear if we look at their domestic setup, majority of them are made up with expat's kids (mostly from Indian subcontinent). This move automatically gets a green light for the ICC's fund and by doing so they are eating share of deserving countries like Nepal, thailand etc

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on April 12, 2022, 07:57:09 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on April 11, 2022, 08:54:24 PM

Quote from: blatchcorn on April 10, 2022, 03:16:24 AM

Gulf countries never give any citizenship to expats, all those playing in teams of Oman and UAE are there on work visa. The only problem is that teams like Nepal and PNG are suffering due go such policies. Take teams of native players to main eco system of cricket and they will stay here forever.

This rotten system was brought in by the Sharad Pawar-Srinivasan mafia, when they were in control of the ICC/BCCI. The intention was to please the bosses of Emirates cricket board. But in turn, this decision destroyed the game in some of the more promising countries such as Kenya, Nepal and China, which relied mostly on native players. To add insult to injury, the ICC heavily reduced funding to associate nations when these two were in power and teams with native players suffered the most.

I do not hink that was a bad idea. I guess this system did encourage a lot of countries to be part of the cricket fraternity. It is also encouraging young talent who knew that they will not be a part of the main stream to sell their talent and earn good money. If three countries were left behind then it is a problem with their boards who were either not serious enough or were corrupted.

To be honest both arguments are right because obviously the system is not absolutely perfect and also the teams that did not want to play with foreign players did not make the right decision in my opinion. But anyway, we don't see what really should have been there for us to see and that is the expansion of cricket.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 11, 2022, 08:54:24 PM

Quote from: blatchcorn on April 10, 2022, 03:16:24 AM

Gulf countries never give any citizenship to expats, all those playing in teams of Oman and UAE are there on work visa. The only problem is that teams like Nepal and PNG are suffering due go such policies. Take teams of native players to main eco system of cricket and they will stay here forever.

This rotten system was brought in by the Sharad Pawar-Srinivasan mafia, when they were in control of the ICC/BCCI. The intention was to please the bosses of Emirates cricket board. But in turn, this decision destroyed the game in some of the more promising countries such as Kenya, Nepal and China, which relied mostly on native players. To add insult to injury, the ICC heavily reduced funding to associate nations when these two were in power and teams with native players suffered the most.

I do not hink that was a bad idea. I guess this system did encourage a lot of countries to be part of the cricket fraternity. It is also encouraging young talent who knew that they will not be a part of the main stream to sell their talent and earn good money. If three countries were left behind then it is a problem with their boards who were either not serious enough or were corrupted.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 11, 2022, 08:54:24 PM

This rotten system was brought in by the Sharad Pawar-Srinivasan mafia, when they were in control of the ICC/BCCI. The intention was to please the bosses of Emirates cricket board. But in turn, this decision destroyed the game in some of the more promising countries such as Kenya, Nepal and China, which relied mostly on native players. To add insult to injury, the ICC heavily reduced funding to associate nations when these two were in power and teams with native players suffered the most.

See result of this policy in ICC Men's Cricket World Cup League 2. Oman and UAE are leading the points table while Nepal which is a good team is sitting at second last position. With this policy GCC will continue to dominate the associate teams tournaments. Don't know why Gulf countries are so fond of cricket despite the fact there is zero interest of cricket in local population.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/world-cup-league-2-2019-2023-1196667/oman-vs-papua-new-guinea-75th-match-1308246/points-table-standings

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Quote from: blatchcorn on April 10, 2022, 03:16:24 AM

Gulf countries never give any citizenship to expats, all those playing in teams of Oman and UAE are there on work visa. The only problem is that teams like Nepal and PNG are suffering due go such policies. Take teams of native players to main eco system of cricket and they will stay here forever.

This rotten system was brought in by the Sharad Pawar-Srinivasan mafia, when they were in control of the ICC/BCCI. The intention was to please the bosses of Emirates cricket board. But in turn, this decision destroyed the game in some of the more promising countries such as Kenya, Nepal and China, which relied mostly on native players. To add insult to injury, the ICC heavily reduced funding to associate nations when these two were in power and teams with native players suffered the most.

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Quote from: minairia3 on April 10, 2022, 02:02:35 AM

I really don't think that this is a problem because they are obviously the citizens of that country. It would be a problem to me if it was otherwise. But right now I don't see any problem.

And, if ICC makes any rules to force the countries to make their team with native players, I think it will be a maximum of one year, and after that those teams will not exist in the cricketing world. Already there are very few teams in cricket.

Gulf countries never give any citizenship to expats, all those playing in teams of Oman and UAE are there on work visa. The only problem is that teams like Nepal and PNG are suffering due go such policies. Take teams of native players to main eco system of cricket and they will stay here forever.

Gulf is mostly full of workers from subcontinents. People struggle and spend their entire life struggling and giving their best but hardly get the national rights.
People of gulf are very different people. A kind a professional and very stick in their country rules. I think it would be a better choice to keep the national spirit alive through national players and not through imported players.

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Quote from: JSRAW on April 11, 2022, 12:56:53 AM

Quote from: minairia3 on April 10, 2022, 02:02:35 AM

I think The problem with most subcontinent women's cricket teams is that they are just a little fond of ease. And that is a big barrier that they will have to overcome if they want to play at the top level of women's cricket.

I won't comment on other subcontinent teams but Indian women team is not professional unit at all barring few players. They are laid back and more interested in Saas-bahu type of drama, where senior players try to pull down talented young girls and don't give them much chances. When some coach interfere or try something new, they gang up against the coach too.

The point of hard work and consistency is missing too. I agree that subcontinent mindset is rather more inclining towards gossip and leg pulling. Have they concentrate on their work rather than as mentioned above sas baho daram, they can do wonder

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Quote from: minairia3 on April 10, 2022, 02:02:35 AM

I think The problem with most subcontinent women's cricket teams is that they are just a little fond of ease. And that is a big barrier that they will have to overcome if they want to play at the top level of women's cricket.

I won't comment on other subcontinent teams but Indian women team is not professional unit at all barring few players. They are laid back and more interested in Saas-bahu type of drama, where senior players try to pull down talented young girls and don't give them much chances. When some coach interfere or try something new, they gang up against the coach too.

I am 100% with you- that sas baho problem and that gossipe culture is in the blood of the sub continents people. They have so much time and energy to concentrate on all that. Looking at the people of west who are more focused on the work they are doing at the time. There is a lack of professionalism in sub continents teams . Which is one of the reasons of their failure.

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Quote from: Cryptock on April 11, 2022, 07:12:15 AM

A part form nationality – I think coming on field and playing for your country and representing your country, having a flag on you chest and singing the national anthem gives goose bumps which a person from other country might not experience. National is a national!

This was good few years back now money is big power and players never think about country they just think about money which is coming, so they can easily adopt new country and new flag on chest as right now happening in many Gulf countries and few others like Canada and Germany. But, no one can stop this even we are losing badly from Nepal and PNG which mostly have native players those are looking for better future, but it needs time to adopt this all because of less experience and poor infrastructure.

Due to marketing issues ICC never talk about this topic even they will never adopt any policy which hut these rich Gulf countries because they have some good money from here.

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Quote from: JSRAW on April 09, 2022, 10:11:55 AM

Stupid institute with their dumb rules, not to mention level of greediness.

Qualification process for ICC tournament is more like fixed campaign. Full members face virtually no hurdles at all, 80-90% teams get direct entry due to ranking and ICC make qualification process very hard for associate members. Also they don't want to increase the number of teams in the tourney (because of bad experience on revenue), which doesn't help the associate member's cause.

Subcontinent Women's teams have one thing in common, fitness standards.

The problem is ICC is not concentrating on how to make cricket great, they are concentrating on how to get more money out of this game.

Yes, we know that money might help the game become a lot of white spread and popular eventually but there are a lot of other factors which ICC is absolutely avoiding. Once I had high hopes for cricket to be a well-known sport worldwide but now I have kind of lost my hope.
I think The problem with most subcontinent women's cricket teams is that they are just a little fond of ease. And that is a big barrier that they will have to overcome if they want to play at the top level of women's cricket.

With advent of leagues the future of international cricket greatly revolve around these leagues now. For instance, the whole cricket take a break for complete 2 months so that IPL can be played, this means team have only ten months to complete there calendar year.
Women cricket is ignored not only by south Asian countries but rest of the world also less England, New Zealand and Australia.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on April 10, 2022, 03:16:24 AM

Quote from: minairia3 on April 10, 2022, 02:02:35 AM

I really don't think that this is a problem because they are obviously the citizens of that country. It would be a problem to me if it was otherwise. But right now I don't see any problem.

And, if ICC makes any rules to force the countries to make their team with native players, I think it will be a maximum of one year, and after that those teams will not exist in the cricketing world. Already there are very few teams in cricket.

Gulf countries never give any citizenship to expats, all those playing in teams of Oman and UAE are there on work visa. The only problem is that teams like Nepal and PNG are suffering due go such policies. Take teams of native players to main eco system of cricket and they will stay here forever.

A part form nationality, I think coming on field and playing for your country and representing your country, having a flag on you chest and singing the national anthem gives goose bumps which a person from other country might not experience. National is a national!

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Quote from: onecall123 on April 06, 2022, 04:12:58 AM

Alyssa Healy is now the No.1 batter for the ODIs after winning the Cricket World Cup 2022 Player of the Tournament award. The Australian team, even its individual members, are unstoppable since they have devoted decades to women's cricket. Their success shouldn't come as a surprise, but it's inevitable. Australia, England, South Africa and New Zealand continue to lead the bowlers' and allrounders' charts, respectively, throughout the Women's World Cup tournament. As the nation that used to lead in women's cricket, other countries should pay as same attention.

Alyssa Healy deserve to be player of the tournament "The 32-year-old Healy smashed 509 runs - including two hundreds and two half-centuries - across her nine matches at the World Cup, and at an intimidating strike rate of 103.66." Source
While in bowling department its England Sophie Ecclestone who stand at no 1 with 21 wickets in 9 matches, followed by Shabnim Ismail of SA with 14 wickets in 8 matches.

Alyssa Healy made her name and her nation proud. She is an inspiration for other women as well. What a spirit and courage she has shown in the tournament and Aussie team remain unbeatable is itself a wonderful thing to look at. I am thoroughly impressed by her.

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Quote from: JSRAW on April 11, 2022, 12:56:53 AM

Quote from: minairia3 on April 10, 2022, 02:02:35 AM

I think The problem with most subcontinent women's cricket teams is that they are just a little fond of ease. And that is a big barrier that they will have to overcome if they want to play at the top level of women's cricket.

I won't comment on other subcontinent teams but Indian women team is not professional unit at all barring few players. They are laid back and more interested in Saas-bahu type of drama, where senior players try to pull down talented young girls and don't give them much chances. When some coach interfere or try something new, they gang up against the coach too.

These types of things are pretty common in not only India but also in the whole subcontinent. The senior players seem to think of themselves as the best player on the whole team and sometimes they think everything will happen as they want it to happen. This is absolutely wrong and bad and also dumb behavior by the senior players of any team. The senior players are supposed to show the younger players the way of how to get better and not stand against them.

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Quote from: minairia3 on April 10, 2022, 02:02:35 AM

I really don't think that this is a problem because they are obviously the citizens of that country. It would be a problem to me if it was otherwise. But right now I don't see any problem.
And, if ICC makes any rules to force the countries to make their team with native players, I think it will be a maximum of one year, and after that those teams will not exist in the cricketing world. Already there are very few teams in cricket.

Gulf countries never give any citizenship to expats, all those playing in teams of Oman and UAE are there on work visa. The only problem is that teams like Nepal and PNG are suffering due go such policies. Take teams of native players to main eco system of cricket and they will stay here forever.

Well, if they are not the citizens of the country I think it's not right and probably ICC should make a rule about at least keeping the number down to at least three or four. But that will largely affect a lot of teams. I mean if we look at England I think the players that are playing for the England cricket team are officially the citizens of England so they should not have any problems.

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Quote from: minairia3 on April 10, 2022, 02:02:35 AM

I think The problem with most subcontinent women's cricket teams is that they are just a little fond of ease. And that is a big barrier that they will have to overcome if they want to play at the top level of women's cricket.

I won't comment on other subcontinent teams but Indian women team is not professional unit at all barring few players. They are laid back and more interested in Saas-bahu type of drama, where senior players try to pull down talented young girls and don't give them much chances. When some coach interfere or try something new, they gang up against the coach too.

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on April 10, 2022, 04:49:48 PM

]From what i heard, the players are there in work permit and if the ICC is not having any issues then who is having issues, if any country can hire mercenary players let them do that. I bet no one will allow that because a chance of playing for the country will be gone and there will be widespread protest, but GCC citizens is not having any issues because they seldom play the game.

In GCC football in popular game and there is zero interest for cricket but still they have team of players that belong to Pakistan and India. I don't know the reason of why having such teams when you already have so many associate teams like Nepal, Namibia etc. Due to ICC such policies later teams are suffering.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on April 10, 2022, 03:16:24 AM

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Gulf countries never give any citizenship to expats, all those playing in teams of Oman and UAE are there on work visa. The only problem is that teams like Nepal and PNG are suffering due go such policies. Take teams of native players to main eco system of cricket and they will stay here forever.

From what i heard, the players are there in work permit and if the ICC is not having any issues then who is having issues, if any country can hire mercenary players let them do that. I bet no one will allow that because a chance of playing for the country will be gone and there will be widespread protest, but GCC citizens is not having any issues because they seldom play the game.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on April 07, 2022, 01:35:42 AM

Quote from: onecall123 on April 06, 2022, 04:12:58 AM

Alyssa Healy is now the No.1 batter for the ODIs after winning the Cricket World Cup 2022 Player of the Tournament award. The Australian team, even its individual members, are unstoppable since they have devoted decades to women's cricket. Their success shouldn't come as a surprise, but it's inevitable. Australia, England, South Africa and New Zealand continue to lead the bowlers' and allrounders' charts, respectively, throughout the Women's World Cup tournament. As the nation that used to lead in women's cricket, other countries should pay as same attention.

Alyssa Healy deserve to be player of the tournament "The 32-year-old Healy smashed 509 runs - including two hundreds and two half-centuries - across her nine matches at the World Cup, and at an intimidating strike rate of 103.66." Source
While in bowling department its England Sophie Ecclestone who stand at no 1 with 21 wickets in 9 matches, followed by Shabnim Ismail of SA with 14 wickets in 8 matches.

What an amazing women. They showed the power and strength with courage and honor. Now the women cricket teams are also getting recognition but Aussie are amanzing people, hardworking and dedicate. No matter whatever the ground is they come out victorious. World need to learn from them

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Quote from: minairia3 on April 10, 2022, 02:02:35 AM

I really don't think that this is a problem because they are obviously the citizens of that country. It would be a problem to me if it was otherwise. But right now I don't see any problem.

And, if ICC makes any rules to force the countries to make their team with native players, I think it will be a maximum of one year, and after that those teams will not exist in the cricketing world. Already there are very few teams in cricket.

Gulf countries never give any citizenship to expats, all those playing in teams of Oman and UAE are there on work visa. The only problem is that teams like Nepal and PNG are suffering due go such policies. Take teams of native players to main eco system of cricket and they will stay here forever.

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Quote from: JSRAW on April 09, 2022, 10:11:55 AM

Stupid institute with their dumb rules, not to mention level of greediness.

Qualification process for ICC tournament is more like fixed campaign. Full members face virtually no hurdles at all, 80-90% teams get direct entry due to ranking and ICC make qualification process very hard for associate members. Also they don't want to increase the number of teams in the tourney (because of bad experience on revenue), which doesn't help the associate member's cause.

Subcontinent Women's teams have one thing in common, fitness standards.

The problem is ICC is not concentrating on how to make cricket great, they are concentrating on how to get more money out of this game.

Yes, we know that money might help the game become a lot of white spread and popular eventually but there are a lot of other factors which ICC is absolutely avoiding. Once I had high hopes for cricket to be a well-known sport worldwide but now I have kind of lost my hope.
I think The problem with most subcontinent women's cricket teams is that they are just a little fond of ease. And that is a big barrier that they will have to overcome if they want to play at the top level of women's cricket.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on April 09, 2022, 01:07:22 AM

Had anyone noticed ICC Men's Cricket World Cup League 2 is in progress at Dubai. Oman and UAE are leading the points table, both these teams have players from South Asian countries while team like Nepal who is 100% made up of local players is sitting at second last position. ICC must encourage team of native players only.

What kind of rule do you expect ICC to come up against teams like Dubai and Oman, i am not expecting them to come up with any rule that would harm them as they are playing with expats for decades and it is highly unlikely they will change that because majority of the citizens from these countries are expats and settled down in UAE or Oman after the oil boom and their population is really small.

I really don't think that this is a problem because they are obviously the citizens of that country. It would be a problem to me if it was otherwise. But right now I don't see any problem.

And, if ICC makes any rules to force the countries to make their team with native players, I think it will be a maximum of one year, and after that those teams will not exist in the cricketing world. Already there are very few teams in cricket.

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