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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 30, 2022, 06:16:07 AM

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I am not sure when Bangladesh will emerge as a strong team. They are loosing all hopes and their moral going down. They always face very serious criticism and this is one of the reasons of their poor performance. They are always in trouble and people are criticising - what is the real reason any bangladeshi who can shed light on it?

That moment may never came? They are receiving funding from ICC which is comparable to other full members. Other members such as Afghanistan have done much better, with a fraction of the funds. The only thing that keeps their test status safe is the fact that there is no relegation-promotion system in test cricket. I believe that Afghanistan is a much better team when compared to Bangladesh, but they are currently placed in the second division of test cricket. And the Taliban takeover probably erased any chances they had, of getting promoted to the first division.

As a fan of Bangladesh cricket, I feel really sad to say that this is true, and with the funding that Bangladesh receives they should have done a lot better than they are doing right now.

The truth is on the Bangladesh cricket board, everyone is just interested in money. I am not only talking about some random stuff, I am talking about every individual from top to bottom. Everyone is corrupted. And that's why the selection of players is also done through a lot of favoritism. these are some big reasons why Bangladesh is almost never doing as well as it should be.

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Quote from: Theones on April 30, 2022, 04:01:14 AM

I am not sure when Bangladesh will emerge as a strong team. They are loosing all hopes and their moral going down. They always face very serious criticism and this is one of the reasons of their poor performance. They are always in trouble and people are criticising - what is the real reason any bangladeshi who can shed light on it?

That moment may never came? They are receiving funding from ICC which is comparable to other full members. Other members such as Afghanistan have done much better, with a fraction of the funds. The only thing that keeps their test status safe is the fact that there is no relegation-promotion system in test cricket. I believe that Afghanistan is a much better team when compared to Bangladesh, but they are currently placed in the second division of test cricket. And the Taliban takeover probably erased any chances they had, of getting promoted to the first division.

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It's not really strange. Cricket fans are not very tech savvy, they go to a field and lay down eating chips. It's not a gentleman's game it's a lazy spectator's sport. A lot has changed with the new formats limitations and the T20 mode, but its still a grill. And the only reason anyone talks about Cricket on Bitcointalk is because of signature campaigns. Not because of the game itself.
PS: Bangladesh's got nothing against a world cup winning team like SriLanka.

I understand your observation simply because your thought process is that SriLanka being a world cup winning team in 1996, Bangladesh have no chance to win against them Tongue

. Have you seen any performance of Bangladesh and SriLanka recently and came to this conclusion, Yes Srilanka won the first match quite convincingly but Bangladesh was missing Shakib Al Hasan in the team and he is an integral part in the team.

I am not sure when Bangladesh will emerge as a strong team. They are loosing all hopes and their moral going down. They always face very serious criticism and this is one of the reasons of their poor performance. They are always in trouble and people are criticising - what is the real reason any bangladeshi who can shed light on it?

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Quote from: mm2543363580 on April 30, 2022, 12:44:56 AM

There is no ODI going on and this thread has nothing to discuss about ODI. In fact we are discussing IPL a T20 format in ODI thread. Is there anyone else like me who wanna see international cricket back in action? I dont think blackout of ODI for such a long time is good for cricket fans.

ODI series between WI and Netherlands will start from 31st of May which will be after IPL ends. From May 15th we do have a test cricket between Srilanka and Bangladesh. Not many players from these two countries are playing in the IPL that is why they are having this test.

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Quote from: JSRAW on April 28, 2022, 08:57:54 AM

1. 70-80% revenue comes from the India. In ICC tournaments big chunk of fans only watch matches when their fav team is playing or in some cases, when high quality teams are facing each other. So let's say there are 10 teams in the tournament and every team is playing 4-5 matches in every group. So big markets like India, England and Australia (mainly Indian) playing limited amount of matches. Fans are obviously going to invest time in their own team instead of WI vs Ban or Pak vs SL, hence ICC earn money from limited amount of fixtures mainly Indian fixtures.

In contrast in IPL even dull match is capable to generate enough clicks, let's say 5-ish millions and that's only streaming services, not even talking about other services like cable tv.

2. Life of athlete is short so it normal for players to look into their own interest due to paycheck.

Really did'nt got what you wanna say in Point 1.

Players do have there own choice but national duty is also important. Its the national team that introduces a player to the world and is picked up by league like IPL or BBL. WI and RSA cricket is destroyed because of IPL, a players are no more interested in national duty since they earn more from IPL.

DanWalker's query was related to ICC (international stage) vs IPL revenue.

I wanted to point out that ICC earn less amount of money due to this main reason (based on ICC tournaments like T-20 WC, WC).

- Only BIG 3 fixtures generate enough money in ICC tourney, mainly India.
- Rest of the fixtures in the ICC Tourney are not profitable, barring few.
- IPL revenue only depends on the local market, which is already big.

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There is no ODI going on and this thread has nothing to discuss about ODI. In fact we are discussing IPL a T20 format in ODI thread. Is there anyone else like me who wanna see international cricket back in action? I dont think blackout of ODI for such a long time is good for cricket fans.

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Quote from: JSRAW on April 28, 2022, 08:57:54 AM

1. 70-80% revenue comes from the India. In ICC tournaments big chunk of fans only watch matches when their fav team is playing or in some cases, when high quality teams are facing each other. So let's say there are 10 teams in the tournament and every team is playing 4-5 matches in every group. So big markets like India, England and Australia (mainly Indian) playing limited amount of matches. Fans are obviously going to invest time in their own team instead of WI vs Ban or Pak vs SL, hence ICC earn money from limited amount of fixtures mainly Indian fixtures.

In contrast in IPL even dull match is capable to generate enough clicks, let's say 5-ish millions and that's only streaming services, not even talking about other services like cable tv.

2. Life of athlete is short so it normal for players to look into their own interest due to paycheck.

Really did'nt got what you wanna say in Point 1.

Players do have there own choice but national duty is also important. Its the national team that introduces a player to the world and is picked up by league like IPL or BBL. WI and RSA cricket is destroyed because of IPL, a players are no more interested in national duty since they earn more from IPL.

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Quote from: DanWalker on April 26, 2022, 05:51:31 PM

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The money is really good in the IPL. Because it generates more money and that's why there is more money to give to the players.
So this brings me to another question.
why is not the international stage able to make so much money? And
why is a player more likely to retire from international cricket just so that he can concentrate on IPL and franchise cricket?

1. 70-80% revenue comes from the India. In ICC tournaments big chunk of fans only watch matches when their fav team is playing or in some cases, when high quality teams are facing each other. So let's say there are 10 teams in the tournament and every team is playing 4-5 matches in every group. So big markets like India, England and Australia (mainly Indian) playing limited amount of matches. Fans are obviously going to invest time in their own team instead of WI vs Ban or Pak vs SL, hence ICC earn money from limited amount of fixtures mainly Indian fixtures.

In contrast in IPL even dull match is capable to generate enough clicks, let's say 5-ish millions and that's only streaming services, not even talking about other services like cable tv.

2. Life of athlete is short so it normal for players to look into their own interest due to paycheck.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 26, 2022, 08:23:32 PM

On top of that, there is this quota system within South Africa, which makes it extremely difficult for the white players to remain contracted for that long. Therefore, IMO the South African board doesn't have any right to demand that the players should give priority to national duties. When they are being discriminated for selection, how can the board demand something like this? The same can be said about the WICB (West Indies Cricket Board) as well. IPL salaries are 10x or 20x of the contract salaries offered by WICB.

This issue has been discussed so many times that White were dominating the natives black. This quota system has been introduced so that native people can join the team. As far as playing IPL is concerned, its painful to see Francois du Plessis and alike making money at IPL while national squad is losing ODI series at home to team like Bangladesh.

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Quote from: JSRAW on April 26, 2022, 08:30:27 AM

I remember i posted something related to this like, 2 months IPL salary comparison to their annually national contract (south africa).

South African players make 8-10 (Given they are contracted from their respective board for that long) years worth of money from just 1 season of IPL.

On top of that, there is this quota system within South Africa, which makes it extremely difficult for the white players to remain contracted for that long. Therefore, IMO the South African board doesn't have any right to demand that the players should give priority to national duties. When they are being discriminated for selection, how can the board demand something like this? The same can be said about the WICB (West Indies Cricket Board) as well. IPL salaries are 10x or 20x of the contract salaries offered by WICB.

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Quote from: DanWalker on April 25, 2022, 06:46:05 PM

I understand that the stage of international cricket and club cricket is changing. and I think it is happening for the good of cricket because it might increase the popularity of cricket altogether.

But I don't see why a player who is not retired from international cricket, is supposed to prioritize franchise cricket more than his national duty. I understand that that pay is really good but I still don't think that franchise cricket can offer what International Cricket can. or maybe I'm just a boomer who enjoys international cricket a little more than franchise cricket.

Cricket is just like any other profession. You can't force the players to turn down a high paying offer (just like the case with any other career). The salary levels in IPL is 10x or 20x of what the players receive in international matches. Given this, can you really force the players to opt for international matches, when the IPL is ongoing? It is extremely unfair. Some of the cricket boards, such as the one in South Africa has done this and in the end many of the players were forced to take retirement.

I remember i posted something related to this like, 2 months IPL salary comparison to their annually national contract (south africa).

South African players make 8-10 (Given they are contracted from their respective board for that long) years worth of money from just 1 season of IPL.

Based on the availability of the player will be the pay. This makes the international players participate into IPL even when there is matches going on in the country. Based on the performance will be the auction value for the players once the contract ends every three years. This makes them give more importance on performing well in the IPL as there is limited number of foreign players need to be auctioned by a team. Anyhow it is always a proven fact, money plays big role everywhere.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 25, 2022, 09:48:42 PM

Quote from: DanWalker on April 25, 2022, 06:46:05 PM

I understand that the stage of international cricket and club cricket is changing. and I think it is happening for the good of cricket because it might increase the popularity of cricket altogether.

But I don't see why a player who is not retired from international cricket, is supposed to prioritize franchise cricket more than his national duty. I understand that that pay is really good but I still don't think that franchise cricket can offer what International Cricket can. or maybe I'm just a boomer who enjoys international cricket a little more than franchise cricket.

Cricket is just like any other profession. You can't force the players to turn down a high paying offer (just like the case with any other career). The salary levels in IPL is 10x or 20x of what the players receive in international matches. Given this, can you really force the players to opt for international matches, when the IPL is ongoing? It is extremely unfair. Some of the cricket boards, such as the one in South Africa has done this and in the end many of the players were forced to take retirement.

The money is really good in the IPL. Because it generates more money and that's why there is more money to give to the players.
So this brings me to another question.
why is not the international stage able to make so much money? And
why is a player more likely to retire from international cricket just so that he can concentrate on IPL and franchise cricket?

obviously, there is a big communication gap between the players and the cricket board and that is obviously not helping the situation.

Quote from: Juggy777 on April 26, 2022, 07:22:47 AM

I believe the answer is simple a player gets more attention, respect, and most importantly more money in league matches then he ever would while playing in international matches. Also I’m not saying that international matches aren’t important now but cricket has evolved and so has cricketers lifestyle, and hence they need these leagues money to keep up with their lavish lifestyle, and honestly I see nothing wrong with it if they prioritise playing more T20 matches over ODI.

I don't know about attention or respect but I am sure about the money and that is a big reason why a lot of older players retired from international cricket and play franchise cricket only.
Because at that stage of their career they have achieved most of the things that they could have, and they need assurance for their future days in their life, and you know, playing IPL certainly grants them that assurance.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 25, 2022, 09:48:42 PM

Cricket is just like any other profession. You can't force the players to turn down a high paying offer (just like the case with any other career). The salary levels in IPL is 10x or 20x of what the players receive in international matches. Given this, can you really force the players to opt for international matches, when the IPL is ongoing? It is extremely unfair. Some of the cricket boards, such as the one in South Africa has done this and in the end many of the players were forced to take retirement.

Then all boards less PCB have to make a consent that there will be zero bilateral series during the whole IPL duration. On the other hand IPL can be completed in one month easily, as we have one match going on per day. Two months is quite a long duration and its difficult for some boards to stop there cricket for two months.

With current situation no one caring about PCB because BCCI is doing this all with their own agenda which is backed by all other big boards around cricketing community so if they are spreading this from one month to two months it's not hurting anyone as we can watch players those are interested in IPL they are enjoying here and those are not they are playing in England as now their season is also started.

So, it all ends with IPL is having some good benefit mostly it's dry season for all cricketing nations they have no bilateral series with this all I am feeling in near future we will have some more teams in IPL because with this they will generate more money and few other boards also having more money with this all because bilateral series are not giving them profit like they will have from IPL and their player's involvement in this event.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 25, 2022, 09:48:42 PM

Cricket is just like any other profession. You can't force the players to turn down a high paying offer (just like the case with any other career). The salary levels in IPL is 10x or 20x of what the players receive in international matches. Given this, can you really force the players to opt for international matches, when the IPL is ongoing? It is extremely unfair. Some of the cricket boards, such as the one in South Africa has done this and in the end many of the players were forced to take retirement.

Then all boards less PCB have to make a consent that there will be zero bilateral series during the whole IPL duration. On the other hand IPL can be completed in one month easily, as we have one match going on per day. Two months is quite a long duration and its difficult for some boards to stop there cricket for two months.

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Quote from: DanWalker on April 25, 2022, 06:46:05 PM

I understand that the stage of international cricket and club cricket is changing. and I think it is happening for the good of cricket because it might increase the popularity of cricket altogether.

But I don't see why a player who is not retired from international cricket, is supposed to prioritize franchise cricket more than his national duty. I understand that that pay is really good but I still don't think that franchise cricket can offer what International Cricket can. or maybe I'm just a boomer who enjoys international cricket a little more than franchise cricket.

Cricket is just like any other profession. You can't force the players to turn down a high paying offer (just like the case with any other career). The salary levels in IPL is 10x or 20x of what the players receive in international matches. Given this, can you really force the players to opt for international matches, when the IPL is ongoing? It is extremely unfair. Some of the cricket boards, such as the one in South Africa has done this and in the end many of the players were forced to take retirement.

I remember i posted something related to this like, 2 months IPL salary comparison to their annually national contract (south africa).

South African players make 8-10 (Given they are contracted from their respective board for that long) years worth of money from just 1 season of IPL.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 25, 2022, 09:48:42 PM

Quote from: DanWalker on April 25, 2022, 06:46:05 PM

I understand that the stage of international cricket and club cricket is changing. and I think it is happening for the good of cricket because it might increase the popularity of cricket altogether.

But I don't see why a player who is not retired from international cricket, is supposed to prioritize franchise cricket more than his national duty. I understand that that pay is really good but I still don't think that franchise cricket can offer what International Cricket can. or maybe I'm just a boomer who enjoys international cricket a little more than franchise cricket.

Cricket is just like any other profession. You can't force the players to turn down a high paying offer (just like the case with any other career). The salary levels in IPL is 10x or 20x of what the players receive in international matches. Given this, can you really force the players to opt for international matches, when the IPL is ongoing? It is extremely unfair. Some of the cricket boards, such as the one in South Africa has done this and in the end many of the players were forced to take retirement.

I believe the answer is simple a player gets more attention, respect, and most importantly more money in league matches then he ever would while playing in international matches. Also I’m not saying that international matches aren’t important now but cricket has evolved and so has cricketers lifestyle, and hence they need these leagues money to keep up with their lavish lifestyle, and honestly I see nothing wrong with it if they prioritise playing more T20 matches over ODI.

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Quote from: DanWalker on April 25, 2022, 06:46:05 PM

I understand that the stage of international cricket and club cricket is changing. and I think it is happening for the good of cricket because it might increase the popularity of cricket altogether.

But I don't see why a player who is not retired from international cricket, is supposed to prioritize franchise cricket more than his national duty. I understand that that pay is really good but I still don't think that franchise cricket can offer what International Cricket can. or maybe I'm just a boomer who enjoys international cricket a little more than franchise cricket.

Cricket is just like any other profession. You can't force the players to turn down a high paying offer (just like the case with any other career). The salary levels in IPL is 10x or 20x of what the players receive in international matches. Given this, can you really force the players to opt for international matches, when the IPL is ongoing? It is extremely unfair. Some of the cricket boards, such as the one in South Africa has done this and in the end many of the players were forced to take retirement.

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Quote from: dezoel on April 24, 2022, 04:14:55 PM

I think you have no complete update about this now it's going to be like soccer and here IPL teams are prioritized instead of national teams in many cases as we recently have South Africa vs Bangladesh mostly players were in IPL, and they were not allowed for their national duty even it's agreement between two boards so it all happened without any problem.

In next few years we will have change in many things because now franchise cricket is spreading, and national duty is not important for many players, even few are already having early retirement from their teams just for these franchise crickets.

Right now, we have things which are going to be having more impact with these things but need some revolutionary change and no one can stop this because ICC is never been an ideal authority for having some stick rules for countries or players.

I understand that the stage of international cricket and club cricket is changing. and I think it is happening for the good of cricket because it might increase the popularity of cricket altogether.

But I don't see why a player who is not retired from international cricket, is supposed to prioritize franchise cricket more than his national duty. I understand that that pay is really good but I still don't think that franchise cricket can offer what International Cricket can. or maybe I'm just a boomer who enjoys international cricket a little more than franchise cricket.

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Quote from: DanWalker on April 24, 2022, 10:17:05 AM

I have read both conversations and both of you make really good sense but I need to add that it is just not right that International Cricket will be stopped or heavily affected just because of IPL.
it's not like football where club football is everything and even the love of football is heavily prioritized, if the players are called for international duties they have to leave. and here we have the opposite situation.

I think you have no complete update about this now it's going to be like soccer and here IPL teams are prioritized instead of national teams in many cases as we recently have South Africa vs Bangladesh mostly players were in IPL, and they were not allowed for their national duty even it's agreement between two boards so it all happened without any problem.

In next few years we will have change in many things because now franchise cricket is spreading, and national duty is not important for many players, even few are already having early retirement from their teams just for these franchise crickets.

Right now, we have things which are going to be having more impact with these things but need some revolutionary change and no one can stop this because ICC is never been an ideal authority for having some stick rules for countries or players.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 23, 2022, 09:54:07 PM

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You mean that mindset inside ICC is not serious about running the cricket. Its very much clear that ruling party in icc administration has no interest in promoting cricket to rest of the world that's why we only have 8 to 10 countries in cricket world cup. There are very few chances that more countries will join in with current administration.

There are 12 full member teams playing Cricket and if you are not aware of it, there are 94 Associate member teams playing Cricket and if they perform well and raise their standard of cricket they will be playing the World Cup. Even for Soccer not all the countries that play will not get a chance to play the World Cup, they need to win the eligibility matches and even the 94 associate countries have the opportunity to participate and if they perform they will be fast tracked to the big leagues.

LOL..... out of these 94 associate nations, only 10-15 have natives playing for them. Others are simply made up entirely of Indian and Pakistani citizens (mostly medical students and expat businessmen). And even among these 10-15, cricket is dying down in a majority of the countries. For example, take the case of Netherlands. According to a recent estimate by the KNCB, more than 70% of the club cricket players in Netherlands are foreign citizens (mostly from Pakistan and other South Asian countries). 10 years ago, more than 70% of the players were native citizens.

I really think the first step by ICC should be increasing the number of teams that are playing the cricket World Cup right now. Because if any team which is not known worldwide can somehow pull off a good performance in the world cup, is obviously going to be interested in cricket after that.

Obviously, that is just one part of the job, ICC should also work to increase the popularity of cricket worldwide and especially in those countries which are not really interested in cricket. otherwise, the teams are going to be always made up of foreign players.

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