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Bangladesh don't deserve test status since they are abusing this status since 2000. I am yet to see a strong Bangladesh team that can equally strong like Australia, Pakistan or Newzealand. With one or two victories in a year there rest of journey is mostly of looses. Afghanistan can do much better if given proper funding like Bangladesh.

You need to watch the scoreboard of some of the matches that took place in Bangladesh and how they were able to defeat the touring team in the longer version will give you an idea that Bangladesh plays well in Test matches when they are in their home soil. To win while touring they need to have a much stronger team but to claim that they do not deserve Test status is not true.

Please show us stats of how many times they won at home. With few test matches win at home in 22 years doesn't mean that Bangladesh is strong team at home. They have proper domestic setup and have there T20 league but still they are most of the time at bottom of icc rankings.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 30, 2022, 02:03:06 PM

There is some effort from the ICC to grow cricket in countries such as the United States. They are providing direct entry to the United States for the 2024 T20 World Cup. But their strategy is mostly focused on expats from South Asia and West Indies. I am not much excited in this strategy, because I always believe that unless you don't include the locals, the game may never grow in these markets. And the ICC has hardly any interest in the other major markets (China, Japan, Germany, France, Brazil, Nigeria, Italy.etc).

Cricket is liked by South Asian mostly rest of the countries like NZ, Aus have interest in other sports also they are not solely crazy for cricket. There are millions of immigrants in USA from South Asia and now they have 2nd and 3rd generation born and grown up in USA. Team of USA is different then what gulf countries are doing.

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Thanks for clarification. You are right in saying that ICC revenue is far less then what IPL is generating. ICC these days is not much interested in increasing its revenue by adding more countries to cricket pool. ICC can't earn huge unless he has atleast 30 to 40 countries as regular test teams.

Looks like you are a bit confused here, how come adding more teams who does not meet the standard of Test Cricket increase the revenue of ICC. Adding more teams does not mean anything if those teams are not able to generate revenue and if there is any Cricketing nation that could increase the revenue they would have increased their infrastructure and improved their game Cheesy

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Adding more teams to international cricket can improve the revenue situation for the ICC. If the native players are taking part, then there will be genuine uptick in popularity of cricket and viewership figures will increase. This will in turn result in more TV and sponsorship revenues. But all this takes a few years time, if not decades. The problem with ICC is that they completely ignored the requests to popularize the game for the last two decades, and now if they want to do this, they need to start from the scratch.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on April 30, 2022, 11:08:19 AM

Thanks for clarification. You are right in saying that ICC revenue is far less then what IPL is generating. ICC these days is not much interested in increasing its revenue by adding more countries to cricket pool. ICC can't earn huge unless he has atleast 30 to 40 countries as regular test teams.

Looks like you are a bit confused here, how come adding more teams who does not meet the standard of Test Cricket increase the revenue of ICC. Adding more teams does not mean anything if those teams are not able to generate revenue and if there is any Cricketing nation that could increase the revenue they would have increased their infrastructure and improved their game Cheesy

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Quote from: coinism on April 30, 2022, 01:01:59 PM

Bangladesh don't deserve test status since they are abusing this status since 2000. I am yet to see a strong Bangladesh team that can equally strong like Australia, Pakistan or Newzealand. With one or two victories in a year there rest of journey is mostly of looses. Afghanistan can do much better if given proper funding like Bangladesh.

You need to watch the scoreboard of some of the matches that took place in Bangladesh and how they were able to defeat the touring team in the longer version will give you an idea that Bangladesh plays well in Test matches when they are in their home soil. To win while touring they need to have a much stronger team but to claim that they do not deserve Test status is not true.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on April 30, 2022, 11:08:19 AM

Thanks for clarification. You are right in saying that ICC revenue is far less then what IPL is generating. ICC these days is not much interested in increasing its revenue by adding more countries to cricket pool. ICC can't earn huge unless he has atleast 30 to 40 countries as regular test teams.

There is some effort from the ICC to grow cricket in countries such as the United States. They are providing direct entry to the United States for the 2024 T20 World Cup. But their strategy is mostly focused on expats from South Asia and West Indies. I am not much excited in this strategy, because I always believe that unless you don't include the locals, the game may never grow in these markets. And the ICC has hardly any interest in the other major markets (China, Japan, Germany, France, Brazil, Nigeria, Italy.etc).

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 30, 2022, 06:16:07 AM

That moment may never came? They are receiving funding from ICC which is comparable to other full members. Other members such as Afghanistan have done much better, with a fraction of the funds. The only thing that keeps their test status safe is the fact that there is no relegation-promotion system in test cricket. I believe that Afghanistan is a much better team when compared to Bangladesh, but they are currently placed in the second division of test cricket. And the Taliban takeover probably erased any chances they had, of getting promoted to the first division.

Bangladesh don't deserve test status since they are abusing this status since 2000. I am yet to see a strong Bangladesh team that can equally strong like Australia, Pakistan or Newzealand. With one or two victories in a year there rest of journey is mostly of looses. Afghanistan can do much better if given proper funding like Bangladesh.

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Quote from: JSRAW on April 30, 2022, 01:07:18 AM

DanWalker's query was related to ICC (international stage) vs IPL revenue.

I wanted to point out that ICC earn less amount of money due to this main reason (based on ICC tournaments like T-20 WC, WC).

- Only BIG 3 fixtures generate enough money in ICC tourney, mainly India.
- Rest of the fixtures in the ICC Tourney are not profitable, barring few.
- IPL revenue only depends on the local market, which is already big.

Thanks for clarification. You are right in saying that ICC revenue is far less then what IPL is generating. ICC these days is not much interested in increasing its revenue by adding more countries to cricket pool. ICC can't earn huge unless he has atleast 30 to 40 countries as regular test teams.

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I am not sure when Bangladesh will emerge as a strong team. They are loosing all hopes and their moral going down. They always face very serious criticism and this is one of the reasons of their poor performance. They are always in trouble and people are criticising - what is the real reason any bangladeshi who can shed light on it?

That moment may never came? They are receiving funding from ICC which is comparable to other full members. Other members such as Afghanistan have done much better, with a fraction of the funds. The only thing that keeps their test status safe is the fact that there is no relegation-promotion system in test cricket. I believe that Afghanistan is a much better team when compared to Bangladesh, but they are currently placed in the second division of test cricket. And the Taliban takeover probably erased any chances they had, of getting promoted to the first division.

As a fan of Bangladesh cricket, I feel really sad to say that this is true, and with the funding that Bangladesh receives they should have done a lot better than they are doing right now.

The truth is on the Bangladesh cricket board, everyone is just interested in money. I am not only talking about some random stuff, I am talking about every individual from top to bottom. Everyone is corrupted. And that's why the selection of players is also done through a lot of favoritism. these are some big reasons why Bangladesh is almost never doing as well as it should be.

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Quote from: Theones on April 30, 2022, 04:01:14 AM

I am not sure when Bangladesh will emerge as a strong team. They are loosing all hopes and their moral going down. They always face very serious criticism and this is one of the reasons of their poor performance. They are always in trouble and people are criticising - what is the real reason any bangladeshi who can shed light on it?

That moment may never came? They are receiving funding from ICC which is comparable to other full members. Other members such as Afghanistan have done much better, with a fraction of the funds. The only thing that keeps their test status safe is the fact that there is no relegation-promotion system in test cricket. I believe that Afghanistan is a much better team when compared to Bangladesh, but they are currently placed in the second division of test cricket. And the Taliban takeover probably erased any chances they had, of getting promoted to the first division.

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It's not really strange. Cricket fans are not very tech savvy, they go to a field and lay down eating chips. It's not a gentleman's game it's a lazy spectator's sport. A lot has changed with the new formats limitations and the T20 mode, but its still a grill. And the only reason anyone talks about Cricket on Bitcointalk is because of signature campaigns. Not because of the game itself.
PS: Bangladesh's got nothing against a world cup winning team like SriLanka.

I understand your observation simply because your thought process is that SriLanka being a world cup winning team in 1996, Bangladesh have no chance to win against them Tongue

. Have you seen any performance of Bangladesh and SriLanka recently and came to this conclusion, Yes Srilanka won the first match quite convincingly but Bangladesh was missing Shakib Al Hasan in the team and he is an integral part in the team.

I am not sure when Bangladesh will emerge as a strong team. They are loosing all hopes and their moral going down. They always face very serious criticism and this is one of the reasons of their poor performance. They are always in trouble and people are criticising - what is the real reason any bangladeshi who can shed light on it?

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Quote from: mm2543363580 on April 30, 2022, 12:44:56 AM

There is no ODI going on and this thread has nothing to discuss about ODI. In fact we are discussing IPL a T20 format in ODI thread. Is there anyone else like me who wanna see international cricket back in action? I dont think blackout of ODI for such a long time is good for cricket fans.

ODI series between WI and Netherlands will start from 31st of May which will be after IPL ends. From May 15th we do have a test cricket between Srilanka and Bangladesh. Not many players from these two countries are playing in the IPL that is why they are having this test.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on April 29, 2022, 01:13:15 PM

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1. 70-80% revenue comes from the India. In ICC tournaments big chunk of fans only watch matches when their fav team is playing or in some cases, when high quality teams are facing each other. So let's say there are 10 teams in the tournament and every team is playing 4-5 matches in every group. So big markets like India, England and Australia (mainly Indian) playing limited amount of matches. Fans are obviously going to invest time in their own team instead of WI vs Ban or Pak vs SL, hence ICC earn money from limited amount of fixtures mainly Indian fixtures.

In contrast in IPL even dull match is capable to generate enough clicks, let's say 5-ish millions and that's only streaming services, not even talking about other services like cable tv.

2. Life of athlete is short so it normal for players to look into their own interest due to paycheck.

Really did'nt got what you wanna say in Point 1.

Players do have there own choice but national duty is also important. Its the national team that introduces a player to the world and is picked up by league like IPL or BBL. WI and RSA cricket is destroyed because of IPL, a players are no more interested in national duty since they earn more from IPL.

DanWalker's query was related to ICC (international stage) vs IPL revenue.

I wanted to point out that ICC earn less amount of money due to this main reason (based on ICC tournaments like T-20 WC, WC).

- Only BIG 3 fixtures generate enough money in ICC tourney, mainly India.
- Rest of the fixtures in the ICC Tourney are not profitable, barring few.
- IPL revenue only depends on the local market, which is already big.

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There is no ODI going on and this thread has nothing to discuss about ODI. In fact we are discussing IPL a T20 format in ODI thread. Is there anyone else like me who wanna see international cricket back in action? I dont think blackout of ODI for such a long time is good for cricket fans.

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Quote from: JSRAW on April 28, 2022, 08:57:54 AM

1. 70-80% revenue comes from the India. In ICC tournaments big chunk of fans only watch matches when their fav team is playing or in some cases, when high quality teams are facing each other. So let's say there are 10 teams in the tournament and every team is playing 4-5 matches in every group. So big markets like India, England and Australia (mainly Indian) playing limited amount of matches. Fans are obviously going to invest time in their own team instead of WI vs Ban or Pak vs SL, hence ICC earn money from limited amount of fixtures mainly Indian fixtures.

In contrast in IPL even dull match is capable to generate enough clicks, let's say 5-ish millions and that's only streaming services, not even talking about other services like cable tv.

2. Life of athlete is short so it normal for players to look into their own interest due to paycheck.

Really did'nt got what you wanna say in Point 1.

Players do have there own choice but national duty is also important. Its the national team that introduces a player to the world and is picked up by league like IPL or BBL. WI and RSA cricket is destroyed because of IPL, a players are no more interested in national duty since they earn more from IPL.

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Quote from: DanWalker on April 26, 2022, 05:51:31 PM

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The money is really good in the IPL. Because it generates more money and that's why there is more money to give to the players.
So this brings me to another question.
why is not the international stage able to make so much money? And
why is a player more likely to retire from international cricket just so that he can concentrate on IPL and franchise cricket?

1. 70-80% revenue comes from the India. In ICC tournaments big chunk of fans only watch matches when their fav team is playing or in some cases, when high quality teams are facing each other. So let's say there are 10 teams in the tournament and every team is playing 4-5 matches in every group. So big markets like India, England and Australia (mainly Indian) playing limited amount of matches. Fans are obviously going to invest time in their own team instead of WI vs Ban or Pak vs SL, hence ICC earn money from limited amount of fixtures mainly Indian fixtures.

In contrast in IPL even dull match is capable to generate enough clicks, let's say 5-ish millions and that's only streaming services, not even talking about other services like cable tv.

2. Life of athlete is short so it normal for players to look into their own interest due to paycheck.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 26, 2022, 08:23:32 PM

On top of that, there is this quota system within South Africa, which makes it extremely difficult for the white players to remain contracted for that long. Therefore, IMO the South African board doesn't have any right to demand that the players should give priority to national duties. When they are being discriminated for selection, how can the board demand something like this? The same can be said about the WICB (West Indies Cricket Board) as well. IPL salaries are 10x or 20x of the contract salaries offered by WICB.

This issue has been discussed so many times that White were dominating the natives black. This quota system has been introduced so that native people can join the team. As far as playing IPL is concerned, its painful to see Francois du Plessis and alike making money at IPL while national squad is losing ODI series at home to team like Bangladesh.

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Quote from: JSRAW on April 26, 2022, 08:30:27 AM

I remember i posted something related to this like, 2 months IPL salary comparison to their annually national contract (south africa).

South African players make 8-10 (Given they are contracted from their respective board for that long) years worth of money from just 1 season of IPL.

On top of that, there is this quota system within South Africa, which makes it extremely difficult for the white players to remain contracted for that long. Therefore, IMO the South African board doesn't have any right to demand that the players should give priority to national duties. When they are being discriminated for selection, how can the board demand something like this? The same can be said about the WICB (West Indies Cricket Board) as well. IPL salaries are 10x or 20x of the contract salaries offered by WICB.

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I understand that the stage of international cricket and club cricket is changing. and I think it is happening for the good of cricket because it might increase the popularity of cricket altogether.

But I don't see why a player who is not retired from international cricket, is supposed to prioritize franchise cricket more than his national duty. I understand that that pay is really good but I still don't think that franchise cricket can offer what International Cricket can. or maybe I'm just a boomer who enjoys international cricket a little more than franchise cricket.

Cricket is just like any other profession. You can't force the players to turn down a high paying offer (just like the case with any other career). The salary levels in IPL is 10x or 20x of what the players receive in international matches. Given this, can you really force the players to opt for international matches, when the IPL is ongoing? It is extremely unfair. Some of the cricket boards, such as the one in South Africa has done this and in the end many of the players were forced to take retirement.

I remember i posted something related to this like, 2 months IPL salary comparison to their annually national contract (south africa).

South African players make 8-10 (Given they are contracted from their respective board for that long) years worth of money from just 1 season of IPL.

Based on the availability of the player will be the pay. This makes the international players participate into IPL even when there is matches going on in the country. Based on the performance will be the auction value for the players once the contract ends every three years. This makes them give more importance on performing well in the IPL as there is limited number of foreign players need to be auctioned by a team. Anyhow it is always a proven fact, money plays big role everywhere.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 25, 2022, 09:48:42 PM

Quote from: DanWalker on April 25, 2022, 06:46:05 PM

I understand that the stage of international cricket and club cricket is changing. and I think it is happening for the good of cricket because it might increase the popularity of cricket altogether.

But I don't see why a player who is not retired from international cricket, is supposed to prioritize franchise cricket more than his national duty. I understand that that pay is really good but I still don't think that franchise cricket can offer what International Cricket can. or maybe I'm just a boomer who enjoys international cricket a little more than franchise cricket.

Cricket is just like any other profession. You can't force the players to turn down a high paying offer (just like the case with any other career). The salary levels in IPL is 10x or 20x of what the players receive in international matches. Given this, can you really force the players to opt for international matches, when the IPL is ongoing? It is extremely unfair. Some of the cricket boards, such as the one in South Africa has done this and in the end many of the players were forced to take retirement.

The money is really good in the IPL. Because it generates more money and that's why there is more money to give to the players.
So this brings me to another question.
why is not the international stage able to make so much money? And
why is a player more likely to retire from international cricket just so that he can concentrate on IPL and franchise cricket?

obviously, there is a big communication gap between the players and the cricket board and that is obviously not helping the situation.

Quote from: Juggy777 on April 26, 2022, 07:22:47 AM

I believe the answer is simple a player gets more attention, respect, and most importantly more money in league matches then he ever would while playing in international matches. Also I’m not saying that international matches aren’t important now but cricket has evolved and so has cricketers lifestyle, and hence they need these leagues money to keep up with their lavish lifestyle, and honestly I see nothing wrong with it if they prioritise playing more T20 matches over ODI.

I don't know about attention or respect but I am sure about the money and that is a big reason why a lot of older players retired from international cricket and play franchise cricket only.
Because at that stage of their career they have achieved most of the things that they could have, and they need assurance for their future days in their life, and you know, playing IPL certainly grants them that assurance.

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