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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 14, 2022, 09:04:12 PM

We are having the ODI world cup next year, and only 10 teams are taking part in it. So you are right. These 8-team (women's world cup) and 10-team competitions can't be termed as "World" cups. And I don't agree with a previous comment that the fans don't prefer smaller teams in the world cup. When the decision was taken to limit the number of participants to just 10, there was a lot of criticism in the social media, by the fans. But then the ICC hardly ever listen to anyone else, and they just ignored those protests.

I think icc should make a law that every continent has representation in WC like we have in fifa WC. You are right ten countries tournament can't be named as world cup. You have to admit that cricket is not a global game but game popular in South Asia and few other countries.

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Quote from: JohnBitCo on April 12, 2022, 12:42:08 PM

Yes, i believe that if one country is famous for some sports, it does not mean that the neighboring countries should play and take interest in the same sports. You have mentioned a good example of Saudi Arab here who often qualify for the Fifa Men's world cup but we haven't seen neighboring countries line india, pakistan or bangladesh ever qualified for the fifa WC.

Different regions of the world have kept different sports alive, for example cricket is much loved and admired in the subcontinent. Football in EU and Gulf. Basket ball in America and Car race in rich countries.
Hockey is a dying sports - but we are very sure that view ship and interest help select the countries.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 14, 2022, 09:04:12 PM

We are having the ODI world cup next year, and only 10 teams are taking part in it. So you are right. These 8-team (women's world cup) and 10-team competitions can't be termed as "World" cups. And I don't agree with a previous comment that the fans don't prefer smaller teams in the world cup. When the decision was taken to limit the number of participants to just 10, there was a lot of criticism in the social media, by the fans. But then the ICC hardly ever listen to anyone else, and they just ignored those protests.

You have to admit the fact that cricket is not a universal game but a game limited to few countries only. You can include as much teams (associate) as you want, see the performance of Namibia and Scotland in last T20 WC. They both were no way near to any test team. First ICC need to do some efforts to promote cricket in rest of the world and build strong teams before including them in WC.

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Quote from: laurenB7742 on April 14, 2022, 06:58:51 PM

Actually, the thing is cricket is not appreciated all over the world as much as football. And that is a big reason why ICC is getting away with a lot of things that they shouldn't be getting away with.

We have only a few teams playing cricket regularly and even in the cricket world cup I think only 12 to 14 teams play at maximum. And if only 12 teams are playing tournaments, then only 12 teams cannot be called the World Cup. Cricket should have been a lot more widespread throughout the years but ICC failed to accomplish that task.

We are having the ODI world cup next year, and only 10 teams are taking part in it. So you are right. These 8-team (women's world cup) and 10-team competitions can't be termed as "World" cups. And I don't agree with a previous comment that the fans don't prefer smaller teams in the world cup. When the decision was taken to limit the number of participants to just 10, there was a lot of criticism in the social media, by the fans. But then the ICC hardly ever listen to anyone else, and they just ignored those protests.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 13, 2022, 09:31:34 PM

In case you haven't noticed yet, in the past some of the test nations listed above have helped the associate nations in a big way. Some of them are doing the same even now. Ireland, Scotland, Netherlands and Denmark used to take part in one of the domestic competitions in England, before it was scrapped. The PNG team regularly tours Australia and CA supports them with coaching and infrastructure development. South Africa has allowed the participation of Namibia, Kenya, Uganda and Nigeria in one of it's domestic competition, and the WICB has done the same for US and Canada. No such help from the Asian nations or New Zealand. They have refused to help the associate nations.

Role of ICC is in front of us for promotion of cricket. Sadly big boards are also not willing to spend few bucks to help associate teams. Zimbabwe and Kenya once permanent member of icc WC are now no where to be seen. If things continue in this manner then very soon cricket will be restricted to few big countries only.

I believe that both Zimbabwe and ICC are to be blamed for the downfall in cricket there, because the former tried to mix it with politics, and the latter banning it didn’t really help. Also at this stage I don’t really think ICC is bothered about small teams anymore, because the fans want more actions from the big 3, and as I have said before unless the fans constantly demand action from the smaller teams there’s no way ICC will focus on them.

Actually, the thing is cricket is not appreciated all over the world as much as football. And that is a big reason why ICC is getting away with a lot of things that they shouldn't be getting away with.

We have only a few teams playing cricket regularly and even in the cricket world cup I think only 12 to 14 teams play at maximum. And if only 12 teams are playing tournaments, then only 12 teams cannot be called the World Cup. Cricket should have been a lot more widespread throughout the years but ICC failed to accomplish that task.

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In case you haven't noticed yet, in the past some of the test nations listed above have helped the associate nations in a big way. Some of them are doing the same even now. Ireland, Scotland, Netherlands and Denmark used to take part in one of the domestic competitions in England, before it was scrapped. The PNG team regularly tours Australia and CA supports them with coaching and infrastructure development. South Africa has allowed the participation of Namibia, Kenya, Uganda and Nigeria in one of it's domestic competition, and the WICB has done the same for US and Canada. No such help from the Asian nations or New Zealand. They have refused to help the associate nations.

Guess you're referring to club cricket? If yes then yeah that's correct. PNG team regularly touring Australia? They never played against Australia but yeah couple of time they played there against other associate teams, similarly Afghanistan play in India. BCCI became economic powerhouse in last decade or so. In contrast England and Australia were already big players in the world cricket.
NZ belong to Anglosphere so they had tons of advantage but they were never powerhouse, there is a reason playing more tests is loss making business for them.

^ I have always believed that even if you have a little less talent with hard work you can do really well in almost any sphere of life. Cricket is also the same.
I think some of these teams are not ready to work hard for cricket. That is because cricket is not appreciated much in their country. No one is going to play cricket as a job if it doesn't bring them enough money for their family. And obviously, it will take time to change.

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Quote from: JohnBitCo on April 12, 2022, 12:42:08 PM

Yes, i believe that if one country is famous for some sports, it does not mean that the neighboring countries should play and take interest in the same sports. You have mentioned a good example of Saudi Arab here who often qualify for the Fifa Men's world cup but we haven't seen neighboring countries line india, pakistan or bangladesh ever qualified for the fifa WC.

I don't think the Indian, Pakistani or Bangladesh even participate in big football tournaments - although youngsters are interested in football in subcontinent but that is more glamorous and yo yo approach- kids are getting to lazy and not much in sports rather they prefer playing play station rather than running in the ground and doing daily sports.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on April 14, 2022, 04:13:59 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on April 13, 2022, 09:31:34 PM

In case you haven't noticed yet, in the past some of the test nations listed above have helped the associate nations in a big way. Some of them are doing the same even now. Ireland, Scotland, Netherlands and Denmark used to take part in one of the domestic competitions in England, before it was scrapped. The PNG team regularly tours Australia and CA supports them with coaching and infrastructure development. South Africa has allowed the participation of Namibia, Kenya, Uganda and Nigeria in one of it's domestic competition, and the WICB has done the same for US and Canada. No such help from the Asian nations or New Zealand. They have refused to help the associate nations.

Role of ICC is in front of us for promotion of cricket. Sadly big boards are also not willing to spend few bucks to help associate teams. Zimbabwe and Kenya once permanent member of icc WC are now no where to be seen. If things continue in this manner then very soon cricket will be restricted to few big countries only.

I believe that both Zimbabwe and ICC are to be blamed for the downfall in cricket there, because the former tried to mix it with politics, and the latter banning it didn’t really help. Also at this stage I don’t really think ICC is bothered about small teams anymore, because the fans want more actions from the big 3, and as I have said before unless the fans constantly demand action from the smaller teams there’s no way ICC will focus on them.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 13, 2022, 09:31:34 PM

In case you haven't noticed yet, in the past some of the test nations listed above have helped the associate nations in a big way. Some of them are doing the same even now. Ireland, Scotland, Netherlands and Denmark used to take part in one of the domestic competitions in England, before it was scrapped. The PNG team regularly tours Australia and CA supports them with coaching and infrastructure development. South Africa has allowed the participation of Namibia, Kenya, Uganda and Nigeria in one of it's domestic competition, and the WICB has done the same for US and Canada. No such help from the Asian nations or New Zealand. They have refused to help the associate nations.

Role of ICC is in front of us for promotion of cricket. Sadly big boards are also not willing to spend few bucks to help associate teams. Zimbabwe and Kenya once permanent member of icc WC are now no where to be seen. If things continue in this manner then very soon cricket will be restricted to few big countries only.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 13, 2022, 09:31:34 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on April 13, 2022, 10:05:57 AM

Having said that I won't mind if ICC pass a law, where every test playing nation or BIG-3 must allow one associate or struggling team to participate in their domestic league.

India - Afghanistan + Nepal
England - Ireland + Scotland
Australia - Papua New Guinea + Thailand
South Africa - Kenya+Zimbabwe
New Zealand - Malaysia + (SEA country or Any Oceanic)
Pakistan - UAE or Oman
Bangladesh- UAE or Oman
Windies- USA
SriLanka - Singapore

In case you haven't noticed yet, in the past some of the test nations listed above have helped the associate nations in a big way. Some of them are doing the same even now. Ireland, Scotland, Netherlands and Denmark used to take part in one of the domestic competitions in England, before it was scrapped. The PNG team regularly tours Australia and CA supports them with coaching and infrastructure development. South Africa has allowed the participation of Namibia, Kenya, Uganda and Nigeria in one of it's domestic competition, and the WICB has done the same for US and Canada. No such help from the Asian nations or New Zealand. They have refused to help the associate nations.

Guess you're referring to club cricket? If yes then yeah that's correct. PNG team regularly touring Australia? They never played against Australia but yeah couple of time they played there against other associate teams, similarly Afghanistan play in India. BCCI became economic powerhouse in last decade or so. In contrast England and Australia were already big players in the world cricket.

NZ belong to Anglosphere so they had tons of advantage but they were never powerhouse, there is a reason playing more tests is loss making business for them.

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Quote from: JSRAW on April 13, 2022, 11:14:46 AM

Yeah some of them started their journey from there and u-19 and national Afghan team has their own home grounds in India and their is no passport-visa requirement for Nepali citizen in India, in some case they are even allowed to take government jobs along with many other perks similar to Indian citizen so it's up to Nepali cricketers if they want to pursue their career here or not. Plenty of players play in County cricket, Is that enough for any associate member/team? I don't think so, helping out handful players is not going to cut it out. This problem need structural reform, not Holier than thou statement. BCCI did the hard yards to reach at this level and their first and foremast responsibility is to take care of 38 domestic team.

If what you are saying is correct that Nepal players are free to come and play in Indian domestic setup then its very strange that till date Nepal has miserably failed in making it to ICC tournaments. May be cricket is not for them and they can look for alternate sports in which they can make it to highest level.

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Quote from: JSRAW on April 13, 2022, 10:05:57 AM

Having said that I won't mind if ICC pass a law, where every test playing nation or BIG-3 must allow one associate or struggling team to participate in their domestic league.

India - Afghanistan + Nepal
England - Ireland + Scotland
Australia - Papua New Guinea + Thailand
South Africa - Kenya+Zimbabwe
New Zealand - Malaysia + (SEA country or Any Oceanic)
Pakistan - UAE or Oman
Bangladesh- UAE or Oman
Windies- USA
SriLanka - Singapore

In case you haven't noticed yet, in the past some of the test nations listed above have helped the associate nations in a big way. Some of them are doing the same even now. Ireland, Scotland, Netherlands and Denmark used to take part in one of the domestic competitions in England, before it was scrapped. The PNG team regularly tours Australia and CA supports them with coaching and infrastructure development. South Africa has allowed the participation of Namibia, Kenya, Uganda and Nigeria in one of it's domestic competition, and the WICB has done the same for US and Canada. No such help from the Asian nations or New Zealand. They have refused to help the associate nations.

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Quote from: coinism on April 13, 2022, 10:45:28 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on April 13, 2022, 10:05:57 AM

Having said that I won't mind if ICC pass a law, where every test playing nation or BIG-3 must allow one associate or struggling team to participate in their domestic league.

The reason why Afghanistan is having so much success in international cricket is support of Pakistan. Most of Afghan top players like Muhammad Nabi and Muhammad Shahzad started there cricket in Pakistan domestic cricket. Same type of support must be given by india to Nepal. As you said BCCI is filthy rich, so this must not be an issue for them. If Pakistan without resources can do that then rest of countries should also do that.

Yeah some of them started their journey from there and u-19 and national Afghan team has their own home grounds in India and their is no passport-visa requirement for Nepali citizen in India, in some case they are even allowed to take government jobs along with many other perks similar to Indian citizen so it's up to Nepali cricketers if they want to pursue their career here or not. Plenty of players play in County cricket, Is that enough for any associate member/team? I don't think so, helping out handful players is not going to cut it out. This problem need structural reform, not Holier than thou statement. BCCI did the hard yards to reach at this level and their first and foremast responsibility is to take care of 38 domestic team.

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Quote from: JSRAW on April 13, 2022, 10:05:57 AM

Having said that I won't mind if ICC pass a law, where every test playing nation or BIG-3 must allow one associate or struggling team to participate in their domestic league.

The reason why Afghanistan is having so much success in international cricket is support of Pakistan. Most of Afghan top players like Muhammad Nabi and Muhammad Shahzad started there cricket in Pakistan domestic cricket. Same type of support must be given by india to Nepal. As you said BCCI is filthy rich, so this must not be an issue for them. If Pakistan without resources can do that then rest of countries should also do that.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 12, 2022, 08:49:34 PM

Nepal is a cricket crazy nation. Cricket is more popular than any other sport in that country. But in terms of funding, Nepal receives far less funds when compared to mercenary teams like Oman or the UAE, because their ranking is too low in the ICC table. Teams like Oman achieve good ranking with the help of foreign players, and in turn they use this ranking to get access to more funding. Teams like Nepal and Kenya on the other hand depend on native players, and since their ranking is low, they get a decreasing share of the ICC revenues with each passing year.

This point is very valid but discussion is useless as ICC wont listen to this. I am sure if we are aware of this fact that cricket is popular in Nepal or kenya then ICC must also be well aware of that. BCCI can help Nepal in bringing it to mainstream cricket as BCCI has big role in controlling affairs of the ICC. So far nothing positive for Nepal from any side.

Not sure how BCCI could help Nepal here. There is high chances that the little amount they are receiving atm, it's coming indirectly from the BCCI, considering BCCI contribute 70% + revenue in ICC's piggy bank.

IMO The best BCCI could do is allow Nepal to participate in the Indian domestic circuit. I'm also sympathetic with Afghan cause so would like them to join as well but i hate to admit that it's not going to happen due to state politics in BCCI.

Having said that I won't mind if ICC pass a law, where every test playing nation or BIG-3 must allow one associate or struggling team to participate in their domestic league.

India - Afghanistan + Nepal
England - Ireland + Scotland
Australia - Papua New Guinea + Thailand
South Africa - Kenya+Zimbabwe
New Zealand - Malaysia + (SEA country or Any Oceanic)
Pakistan - UAE or Oman
Bangladesh- UAE or Oman
Windies- USA
SriLanka - Singapore

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Quote from: blatchcorn on April 13, 2022, 12:55:46 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on April 12, 2022, 08:49:34 PM

Nepal is a cricket crazy nation. Cricket is more popular than any other sport in that country. But in terms of funding, Nepal receives far less funds when compared to mercenary teams like Oman or the UAE, because their ranking is too low in the ICC table. Teams like Oman achieve good ranking with the help of foreign players, and in turn they use this ranking to get access to more funding. Teams like Nepal and Kenya on the other hand depend on native players, and since their ranking is low, they get a decreasing share of the ICC revenues with each passing year.

This point is very valid but discussion is useless as ICC wont listen to this. I am sure if we are aware of this fact that cricket is popular in Nepal or kenya then ICC must also be well aware of that. BCCI can help Nepal in bringing it to mainstream cricket as BCCI has big role in controlling affairs of the ICC. So far nothing positive for Nepal from any side.

Actually, I think that the BCCI is busy with the IPL and the ICC is busy with the bigger teams. Ultimately both of them are busy with money. And that's why I don't think ICC is serious about expanding the game at all. Otherwise, we would have seen better steps taken by the ICC. We have seen a lot of countries interested in cricket in the past which has almost disappeared from the scene. And if cricket does not have a setup like football in club competitions I don't think cricket is ever going to be that popular worldwide.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 12, 2022, 08:49:34 PM

Nepal is a cricket crazy nation. Cricket is more popular than any other sport in that country. But in terms of funding, Nepal receives far less funds when compared to mercenary teams like Oman or the UAE, because their ranking is too low in the ICC table. Teams like Oman achieve good ranking with the help of foreign players, and in turn they use this ranking to get access to more funding. Teams like Nepal and Kenya on the other hand depend on native players, and since their ranking is low, they get a decreasing share of the ICC revenues with each passing year.

This point is very valid but discussion is useless as ICC wont listen to this. I am sure if we are aware of this fact that cricket is popular in Nepal or kenya then ICC must also be well aware of that. BCCI can help Nepal in bringing it to mainstream cricket as BCCI has big role in controlling affairs of the ICC. So far nothing positive for Nepal from any side.

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Quote from: coinism on April 12, 2022, 11:21:52 AM

Nepal is located in area where top cricket countries ar3 are located like India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Srilanka. Still we haven't seen Nepal in any main icc tournament so far, while teams of uae and Oman are seen in majority of icc main tournament. There should be law that only locals will be allowed to be part of team.

Nepal is a cricket crazy nation. Cricket is more popular than any other sport in that country. But in terms of funding, Nepal receives far less funds when compared to mercenary teams like Oman or the UAE, because their ranking is too low in the ICC table. Teams like Oman achieve good ranking with the help of foreign players, and in turn they use this ranking to get access to more funding. Teams like Nepal and Kenya on the other hand depend on native players, and since their ranking is low, they get a decreasing share of the ICC revenues with each passing year.

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Quote from: JSRAW on April 12, 2022, 11:07:55 AM

Local population of Gulf countries are not interested in Cricket and it's clear if we look at their domestic setup, majority of them are made up with expat's kids (mostly from Indian subcontinent). This move automatically gets a green light for the ICC's fund and by doing so they are eating share of deserving countries like Nepal, thailand etc

Nepal is located in area where top cricket countries ar3 are located like India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Srilanka. Still we haven't seen Nepal in any main icc tournament so far, while teams of uae and Oman are seen in majority of icc main tournament. There should be law that only locals will be allowed to be part of team.

I think it is the interest of the whole nation and also the viewership which attracts the companies. Are Napali or Arabs even interested in Cricket?
As far arabs are concerned - they are in footballs. That looks very glamorous there. But in Pakistan, India and Bangladesh people are very concerned about cricket.

Yes, i believe that if one country is famous for some sports, it does not mean that the neighboring countries should play and take interest in the same sports. You have mentioned a good example of Saudi Arab here who often qualify for the Fifa Men's world cup but we haven't seen neighboring countries line india, pakistan or bangladesh ever qualified for the fifa WC.

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Quote from: coinism on April 12, 2022, 11:21:52 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on April 12, 2022, 11:07:55 AM

Local population of Gulf countries are not interested in Cricket and it's clear if we look at their domestic setup, majority of them are made up with expat's kids (mostly from Indian subcontinent). This move automatically gets a green light for the ICC's fund and by doing so they are eating share of deserving countries like Nepal, thailand etc

Nepal is located in area where top cricket countries ar3 are located like India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Srilanka. Still we haven't seen Nepal in any main icc tournament so far, while teams of uae and Oman are seen in majority of icc main tournament. There should be law that only locals will be allowed to be part of team.

I think it is the interest of the whole nation and also the viewership which attracts the companies. Are Napali or Arabs even interested in Cricket?
As far arabs are concerned - they are in footballs. That looks very glamorous there. But in Pakistan, India and Bangladesh people are very concerned about cricket.

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