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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 25, 2022, 09:48:42 PM

Cricket is just like any other profession. You can't force the players to turn down a high paying offer (just like the case with any other career). The salary levels in IPL is 10x or 20x of what the players receive in international matches. Given this, can you really force the players to opt for international matches, when the IPL is ongoing? It is extremely unfair. Some of the cricket boards, such as the one in South Africa has done this and in the end many of the players were forced to take retirement.

Then all boards less PCB have to make a consent that there will be zero bilateral series during the whole IPL duration. On the other hand IPL can be completed in one month easily, as we have one match going on per day. Two months is quite a long duration and its difficult for some boards to stop there cricket for two months.

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Quote from: DanWalker on April 25, 2022, 06:46:05 PM

I understand that the stage of international cricket and club cricket is changing. and I think it is happening for the good of cricket because it might increase the popularity of cricket altogether.

But I don't see why a player who is not retired from international cricket, is supposed to prioritize franchise cricket more than his national duty. I understand that that pay is really good but I still don't think that franchise cricket can offer what International Cricket can. or maybe I'm just a boomer who enjoys international cricket a little more than franchise cricket.

Cricket is just like any other profession. You can't force the players to turn down a high paying offer (just like the case with any other career). The salary levels in IPL is 10x or 20x of what the players receive in international matches. Given this, can you really force the players to opt for international matches, when the IPL is ongoing? It is extremely unfair. Some of the cricket boards, such as the one in South Africa has done this and in the end many of the players were forced to take retirement.

I remember i posted something related to this like, 2 months IPL salary comparison to their annually national contract (south africa).

South African players make 8-10 (Given they are contracted from their respective board for that long) years worth of money from just 1 season of IPL.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 25, 2022, 09:48:42 PM

Quote from: DanWalker on April 25, 2022, 06:46:05 PM

I understand that the stage of international cricket and club cricket is changing. and I think it is happening for the good of cricket because it might increase the popularity of cricket altogether.

But I don't see why a player who is not retired from international cricket, is supposed to prioritize franchise cricket more than his national duty. I understand that that pay is really good but I still don't think that franchise cricket can offer what International Cricket can. or maybe I'm just a boomer who enjoys international cricket a little more than franchise cricket.

Cricket is just like any other profession. You can't force the players to turn down a high paying offer (just like the case with any other career). The salary levels in IPL is 10x or 20x of what the players receive in international matches. Given this, can you really force the players to opt for international matches, when the IPL is ongoing? It is extremely unfair. Some of the cricket boards, such as the one in South Africa has done this and in the end many of the players were forced to take retirement.

I believe the answer is simple a player gets more attention, respect, and most importantly more money in league matches then he ever would while playing in international matches. Also I’m not saying that international matches aren’t important now but cricket has evolved and so has cricketers lifestyle, and hence they need these leagues money to keep up with their lavish lifestyle, and honestly I see nothing wrong with it if they prioritise playing more T20 matches over ODI.

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Quote from: DanWalker on April 25, 2022, 06:46:05 PM

I understand that the stage of international cricket and club cricket is changing. and I think it is happening for the good of cricket because it might increase the popularity of cricket altogether.

But I don't see why a player who is not retired from international cricket, is supposed to prioritize franchise cricket more than his national duty. I understand that that pay is really good but I still don't think that franchise cricket can offer what International Cricket can. or maybe I'm just a boomer who enjoys international cricket a little more than franchise cricket.

Cricket is just like any other profession. You can't force the players to turn down a high paying offer (just like the case with any other career). The salary levels in IPL is 10x or 20x of what the players receive in international matches. Given this, can you really force the players to opt for international matches, when the IPL is ongoing? It is extremely unfair. Some of the cricket boards, such as the one in South Africa has done this and in the end many of the players were forced to take retirement.

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Quote from: dezoel on April 24, 2022, 04:14:55 PM

I think you have no complete update about this now it's going to be like soccer and here IPL teams are prioritized instead of national teams in many cases as we recently have South Africa vs Bangladesh mostly players were in IPL, and they were not allowed for their national duty even it's agreement between two boards so it all happened without any problem.

In next few years we will have change in many things because now franchise cricket is spreading, and national duty is not important for many players, even few are already having early retirement from their teams just for these franchise crickets.

Right now, we have things which are going to be having more impact with these things but need some revolutionary change and no one can stop this because ICC is never been an ideal authority for having some stick rules for countries or players.

I understand that the stage of international cricket and club cricket is changing. and I think it is happening for the good of cricket because it might increase the popularity of cricket altogether.

But I don't see why a player who is not retired from international cricket, is supposed to prioritize franchise cricket more than his national duty. I understand that that pay is really good but I still don't think that franchise cricket can offer what International Cricket can. or maybe I'm just a boomer who enjoys international cricket a little more than franchise cricket.

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Quote from: DanWalker on April 24, 2022, 10:17:05 AM

I have read both conversations and both of you make really good sense but I need to add that it is just not right that International Cricket will be stopped or heavily affected just because of IPL.
it's not like football where club football is everything and even the love of football is heavily prioritized, if the players are called for international duties they have to leave. and here we have the opposite situation.

I think you have no complete update about this now it's going to be like soccer and here IPL teams are prioritized instead of national teams in many cases as we recently have South Africa vs Bangladesh mostly players were in IPL, and they were not allowed for their national duty even it's agreement between two boards so it all happened without any problem.

In next few years we will have change in many things because now franchise cricket is spreading, and national duty is not important for many players, even few are already having early retirement from their teams just for these franchise crickets.

Right now, we have things which are going to be having more impact with these things but need some revolutionary change and no one can stop this because ICC is never been an ideal authority for having some stick rules for countries or players.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 23, 2022, 09:54:07 PM

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Quote from: coinism on April 23, 2022, 09:57:06 AM

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You mean that mindset inside ICC is not serious about running the cricket. Its very much clear that ruling party in icc administration has no interest in promoting cricket to rest of the world that's why we only have 8 to 10 countries in cricket world cup. There are very few chances that more countries will join in with current administration.

There are 12 full member teams playing Cricket and if you are not aware of it, there are 94 Associate member teams playing Cricket and if they perform well and raise their standard of cricket they will be playing the World Cup. Even for Soccer not all the countries that play will not get a chance to play the World Cup, they need to win the eligibility matches and even the 94 associate countries have the opportunity to participate and if they perform they will be fast tracked to the big leagues.

LOL..... out of these 94 associate nations, only 10-15 have natives playing for them. Others are simply made up entirely of Indian and Pakistani citizens (mostly medical students and expat businessmen). And even among these 10-15, cricket is dying down in a majority of the countries. For example, take the case of Netherlands. According to a recent estimate by the KNCB, more than 70% of the club cricket players in Netherlands are foreign citizens (mostly from Pakistan and other South Asian countries). 10 years ago, more than 70% of the players were native citizens.

I really think the first step by ICC should be increasing the number of teams that are playing the cricket World Cup right now. Because if any team which is not known worldwide can somehow pull off a good performance in the world cup, is obviously going to be interested in cricket after that.

Obviously, that is just one part of the job, ICC should also work to increase the popularity of cricket worldwide and especially in those countries which are not really interested in cricket. otherwise, the teams are going to be always made up of foreign players.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on April 24, 2022, 08:21:22 AM

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IPL is priority of icc for last few years and the reason is very obvious. There is no International cricket during the whole season of IPL and the management has stretched the tournament beyond limit by just having one match per day. T20 is good in a sense that it attracts people towards cricket which test and odi weren't able to do for decades. But T20 should not be promoted on cost of ignoring test and bilateral series.

There is no priority for ICC regarding the IPL, ICC does not control bilateral series, those decisions are done between respective cricket boards and ICC and so is the case with IPL and other franchise Cricket but everything is done under the rules set formed by the ICC. If there is any issues with any of the Cricket boards on sending their players i am sure they will not be picked

The catch is that these Cricket boards will get paid from the BCCI for allowing their players to play in the IPL and in that scenario do you really think that these Cricket boards will create an issue.

I have read both conversations and both of you make really good sense but I need to add that it is just not right that International Cricket will be stopped or heavily affected just because of IPL.
it's not like football where club football is everything and even the love of football is heavily prioritized, if the players are called for international duties they have to leave. and here we have the opposite situation.

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Quote from: coinism on April 24, 2022, 12:04:32 AM

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IPL is priority of icc for last few years and the reason is very obvious. There is no International cricket during the whole season of IPL and the management has stretched the tournament beyond limit by just having one match per day. T20 is good in a sense that it attracts people towards cricket which test and odi weren't able to do for decades. But T20 should not be promoted on cost of ignoring test and bilateral series.

There is no priority for ICC regarding the IPL, ICC does not control bilateral series, those decisions are done between respective cricket boards and ICC and so is the case with IPL and other franchise Cricket but everything is done under the rules set formed by the ICC. If there is any issues with any of the Cricket boards on sending their players i am sure they will not be picked

The catch is that these Cricket boards will get paid from the BCCI for allowing their players to play in the IPL and in that scenario do you really think that these Cricket boards will create an issue.

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Quote from: savetheFORUM on April 23, 2022, 04:00:25 PM

I agree with you here now with the introduction of IPL this mind-set is not having any intention about anything because few boards already having their share from them and ICC officials are already mostly under this mind-set. In near future we can face some big changes like bilateral cricket be more reduced or having just very few events and franchise cricket could be in good shape with just very few ICC events could be happened like Soccer FIFA World Cup.

Most chances most effected format could be ODI as mostly players like to join T20 and then ICC will try to keep going with test matches as well, even this could be just for very few countries like between eight and ten because no new country is going to have something interesting in this format.

IPL is priority of icc for last few years and the reason is very obvious. There is no International cricket during the whole season of IPL and the management has stretched the tournament beyond limit by just having one match per day. T20 is good in a sense that it attracts people towards cricket which test and odi weren't able to do for decades. But T20 should not be promoted on cost of ignoring test and bilateral series.

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on April 23, 2022, 06:47:18 PM

Quote from: coinism on April 23, 2022, 09:57:06 AM

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You mean that mindset inside ICC is not serious about running the cricket. Its very much clear that ruling party in icc administration has no interest in promoting cricket to rest of the world that's why we only have 8 to 10 countries in cricket world cup. There are very few chances that more countries will join in with current administration.

There are 12 full member teams playing Cricket and if you are not aware of it, there are 94 Associate member teams playing Cricket and if they perform well and raise their standard of cricket they will be playing the World Cup. Even for Soccer not all the countries that play will not get a chance to play the World Cup, they need to win the eligibility matches and even the 94 associate countries have the opportunity to participate and if they perform they will be fast tracked to the big leagues.

LOL..... out of these 94 associate nations, only 10-15 have natives playing for them. Others are simply made up entirely of Indian and Pakistani citizens (mostly medical students and expat businessmen). And even among these 10-15, cricket is dying down in a majority of the countries. For example, take the case of Netherlands. According to a recent estimate by the KNCB, more than 70% of the club cricket players in Netherlands are foreign citizens (mostly from Pakistan and other South Asian countries). 10 years ago, more than 70% of the players were native citizens.

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on April 23, 2022, 06:47:18 PM

Quote from: coinism on April 23, 2022, 09:57:06 AM

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You mean that mindset inside ICC is not serious about running the cricket. Its very much clear that ruling party in icc administration has no interest in promoting cricket to rest of the world that's why we only have 8 to 10 countries in cricket world cup. There are very few chances that more countries will join in with current administration.

There are 12 full member teams playing Cricket and if you are not aware of it, there are 94 Associate member teams playing Cricket and if they perform well and raise their standard of cricket they will be playing the World Cup. Even for Soccer not all the countries that play will not get a chance to play the World Cup, they need to win the eligibility matches and even the 94 associate countries have the opportunity to participate and if they perform they will be fast tracked to the big leagues.

I beleive it depends on region as well. When it is more views ICC give more preference to that region. BTW When is it going to start?
Thank you for the info - looking fwd to the real game. As cricket is very much admired and appreciated in our country we look fwd for the

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Quote from: coinism on April 23, 2022, 09:57:06 AM

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You mean that mindset inside ICC is not serious about running the cricket. Its very much clear that ruling party in icc administration has no interest in promoting cricket to rest of the world that's why we only have 8 to 10 countries in cricket world cup. There are very few chances that more countries will join in with current administration.

There are 12 full member teams playing Cricket and if you are not aware of it, there are 94 Associate member teams playing Cricket and if they perform well and raise their standard of cricket they will be playing the World Cup. Even for Soccer not all the countries that play will not get a chance to play the World Cup, they need to win the eligibility matches and even the 94 associate countries have the opportunity to participate and if they perform they will be fast tracked to the big leagues.

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Quote from: minairia3 on April 23, 2022, 09:17:37 AM

To be honest, in my opinion, it is not about the Businessman who runs the ICC but it's more about the mindset. We have seen businessmen handle a lot of clubs or sports bodies pretty successfully.
The thing is people need to have some passion for cricket otherwise they are obviously not going to think about the game and think about money every time. And that is not how ICC should be run.

You mean that mindset inside ICC is not serious about running the cricket. Its very much clear that ruling party in icc administration has no interest in promoting cricket to rest of the world that's why we only have 8 to 10 countries in cricket world cup. There are very few chances that more countries will join in with current administration.

I agree with you here now with the introduction of IPL this mind-set is not having any intention about anything because few boards already having their share from them and ICC officials are already mostly under this mind-set. In near future we can face some big changes like bilateral cricket be more reduced or having just very few events and franchise cricket could be in good shape with just very few ICC events could be happened like Soccer FIFA World Cup.

Most chances most effected format could be ODI as mostly players like to join T20 and then ICC will try to keep going with test matches as well, even this could be just for very few countries like between eight and ten because no new country is going to have something interesting in this format.

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Quote from: minairia3 on April 23, 2022, 09:17:37 AM

To be honest, in my opinion, it is not about the Businessman who runs the ICC but it's more about the mindset. We have seen businessmen handle a lot of clubs or sports bodies pretty successfully.
The thing is people need to have some passion for cricket otherwise they are obviously not going to think about the game and think about money every time. And that is not how ICC should be run.

You mean that mindset inside ICC is not serious about running the cricket. Its very much clear that ruling party in icc administration has no interest in promoting cricket to rest of the world that's why we only have 8 to 10 countries in cricket world cup. There are very few chances that more countries will join in with current administration.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on April 22, 2022, 10:50:16 PM

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Cricket no doubt has become a joke because of such hilarious policies from ICC. Teams from USA, Canada, UAE are 100% made up of expats while teams with native players are suffering. I wish some icc official can read this thread and see what ordinary cricket enthusiasts think about icc policies.

LOL... the so called ICC officials won't care even if by some miracle they come across this thread. All they care about is money. Greg Barclay is the current chairman of the International Cricket Council. And do you know what is his connection to cricket? Nothing. He is a businessmen who has never played cricket. The same can be said about most of the other ICC board members. And given this, do you really expect them to do something good for cricket, or at least listen to the cricket fans? Personally, I don't.

If they are businessman then they should know how to increase the business i.e. grow business which is the only way cricket can get more money. What's the criteria of selecting ICC top officials, anyone in the world can become part of ICC executive body or there is some criteria for it.

To be honest, in my opinion, it is not about the Businessman who runs the ICC but it's more about the mindset. We have seen businessmen handle a lot of clubs or sports bodies pretty successfully.
The thing is people need to have some passion for cricket otherwise they are obviously not going to think about the game and think about money every time. And that is not how ICC should be run.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 21, 2022, 10:45:14 AM

Not just with football, but with every sport other than cricket. None of the other sports allow foreigners to represent a "national" team. In case of sports like basketball, they even have a condition that there should be only one naturalized citizen in the entire squad and the remaining members should be born as citizens of that particular country. And then in cricket we have a bunch of Indians claiming that they are Qataris and a bunch of Pakistanis claiming that they are Romanians. Just makes cricket a laughing stock in front of the global sports lovers.

Cricket no doubt has become a joke because of such hilarious policies from ICC. Teams from USA, Canada, UAE are 100% made up of expats while teams with native players are suffering. I wish some icc official can read this thread and see what ordinary cricket enthusiasts think about icc policies.

LOL... the so called ICC officials won't care even if by some miracle they come across this thread. All they care about is money. Greg Barclay is the current chairman of the International Cricket Council. And do you know what is his connection to cricket? Nothing. He is a businessmen who has never played cricket. The same can be said about most of the other ICC board members. And given this, do you really expect them to do something good for cricket, or at least listen to the cricket fans? Personally, I don't.

If they are businessman then they should know how to increase the business i.e. grow business which is the only way cricket can get more money. What's the criteria of selecting ICC top officials, anyone in the world can become part of ICC executive body or there is some criteria for it.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on April 22, 2022, 10:44:52 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on April 21, 2022, 10:45:14 AM

Not just with football, but with every sport other than cricket. None of the other sports allow foreigners to represent a "national" team. In case of sports like basketball, they even have a condition that there should be only one naturalized citizen in the entire squad and the remaining members should be born as citizens of that particular country. And then in cricket we have a bunch of Indians claiming that they are Qataris and a bunch of Pakistanis claiming that they are Romanians. Just makes cricket a laughing stock in front of the global sports lovers.

Cricket no doubt has become a joke because of such hilarious policies from ICC. Teams from USA, Canada, UAE are 100% made up of expats while teams with native players are suffering. I wish some icc official can read this thread and see what ordinary cricket enthusiasts think about icc policies.

LOL... the so called ICC officials won't care even if by some miracle they come across this thread. All they care about is money. Greg Barclay is the current chairman of the International Cricket Council. And do you know what is his connection to cricket? Nothing. He is a businessmen who has never played cricket. The same can be said about most of the other ICC board members. And given this, do you really expect them to do something good for cricket, or at least listen to the cricket fans? Personally, I don't.

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Quote from: Emitdama on April 22, 2022, 03:26:52 PM

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Recently we have some good popularity in cricket due to franchise cricket and T20 but still it's not good enough for ICC to have some fair tactics for all boards they are hijacked in few hands, and they are taking some good advantage with this all situation.

I am hearing these theories for a long time that the ICC is hijacked and they only favor three countries, So what do you think in your opinion will make a drastic change and improve the overall situation. Do they support the countries that give them the maximum benefit and share or do they need to shut down the revenue system and do something else to raise money ? What is the idle situation?

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Quote from: blatchcorn on April 22, 2022, 10:44:52 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on April 21, 2022, 10:45:14 AM

Not just with football, but with every sport other than cricket. None of the other sports allow foreigners to represent a "national" team. In case of sports like basketball, they even have a condition that there should be only one naturalized citizen in the entire squad and the remaining members should be born as citizens of that particular country. And then in cricket we have a bunch of Indians claiming that they are Qataris and a bunch of Pakistanis claiming that they are Romanians. Just makes cricket a laughing stock in front of the global sports lovers.

Cricket no doubt has become a joke because of such hilarious policies from ICC. Teams from USA, Canada, UAE are 100% made up of expats while teams with native players are suffering. I wish some icc official can read this thread and see what ordinary cricket enthusiasts think about icc policies.

I am laughing after reading your this post because you are saying someone from ICC read this thread and act in this way surely it's joke because they all well know about this issue but still can't do anything because money is big power in current corporate world, and they are enjoying some good benefits from these GCC countries, so they will never been act in this case for nearly one decade after this I have no idea which will happen currently ICC is not a sports authority it's just all about money machine for few boards and use case for their political use nothing else positive can happen.

Recently we have some good popularity in cricket due to franchise cricket and T20 but still it's not good enough for ICC to have some fair tactics for all boards they are hijacked in few hands, and they are taking some good advantage with this all situation.

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