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Quote from: Sithara007 on March 05, 2022, 09:32:06 AM

No need to generalize. There is enough interest for women's cricket, but the only problem is that you can't compare with the men's game. There are a lot of fans for women's players such as Mithali Raj and Harmanpreet Kaur in India.

We can't say there is no interest in women cricket in South Asia there are many. People will take more interest if broadcasters air such matches live but they are not doing this. Seeing women cricketers carrying there kids along while participating in WC is really heartwarming scene.

I too like @UmerIdrees will try to catch the match live and share my opinion here. Thanks @ UmerIdrees for updating about that match.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on March 05, 2022, 08:58:31 AM

Almost every South Asian cricket fan does not like women's cricket. The problem is the existing mindset of South Asians which is evident with the number of crowds within the stadium and also views generated by TV & Online viewership. I am not against women's cricket but they do not generate that kind of adrenaline rush as men's cricket generates. I will still skip an India vs Pakistan women cricket as it generates any interest.

No need to generalize. There is enough interest for women's cricket, but the only problem is that you can't compare with the men's game. There are a lot of fans for women's players such as Mithali Raj and Harmanpreet Kaur in India. The main issue is with BCCI is that they never give any importance to the women's game. The fans are demanding women's IPL for quite a long time. But the BCCI has always ignore this request, saying that there are not enough players available to establish such a league.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on March 05, 2022, 08:48:01 AM

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In Women WC there is interesting match between Aus and England, both are favorite for this WC. Rachael Haynes 130 of 131 balls and Meg Lanning 86 runs helped Australia giving a target of 310 in 50 overs. In reply England fought well and lost the match by just 12 runs. From England side Nat Sciver was not out on 109 runs and Tammy Beaumont was second top scorer with 74 runs.

I am not at all interested in women matches but today I saw on Geo Super (our local sports channel) that tomorrow there is a world cup match between India and Pakistan women cricket team tomorrow at 6 AM early morning (pak time). I am keen to watch this match and see if Pakistani women team can do an upset to the strong indian cricket team. Although, chances are less but only if they can make history tomorrow.
I will try to be online during the match and share my analysis.

Almost every South Asian cricket fan does not like women's cricket. The problem is the existing mindset of South Asians which is evident with the number of crowds within the stadium and also views generated by TV & Online viewership. I am not against women's cricket but they do not generate that kind of adrenaline rush as men's cricket generates. I will still skip an India vs Pakistan women cricket as it generates any interest.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on March 05, 2022, 07:22:54 AM

In Women WC there is interesting match between Aus and England, both are favorite for this WC. Rachael Haynes 130 of 131 balls and Meg Lanning 86 runs helped Australia giving a target of 310 in 50 overs. In reply England fought well and lost the match by just 12 runs. From England side Nat Sciver was not out on 109 runs and Tammy Beaumont was second top scorer with 74 runs.

I am not at all interested in women matches but today I saw on Geo Super (our local sports channel) that tomorrow there is a world cup match between India and Pakistan women cricket team tomorrow at 6 AM early morning (pak time). I am keen to watch this match and see if Pakistani women team can do an upset to the strong indian cricket team. Although, chances are less but only if they can make history tomorrow.
I will try to be online during the match and share my analysis.

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In Women WC there is interesting match between Aus and England, both are favorite for this WC. Rachael Haynes 130 of 131 balls and Meg Lanning 86 runs helped Australia giving a target of 310 in 50 overs. In reply England fought well and lost the match by just 12 runs. From England side Nat Sciver was not out on 109 runs and Tammy Beaumont was second top scorer with 74 runs.

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Quote from: og kush420 on March 04, 2022, 11:35:18 AM

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Thailand was on top of Group B with 6 points, but the ICC decided to provide qualification to Bangladesh and Pakistan instead, since Thailand is not a test playing nation and therefore not included in the rankings. If that is the case, then I don't understand the purpose of the whole qualifying tournament. Why can't they just abandon the tournament and promote teams just based on the ranking?

I don't think that in any other sport there is this crazy qualification system. The ICC is corrupt and that is why we are witnessing this sham.

This is absolutely dumb and is no reason for ICC to do that. The purpose of having a qualifying tournament is to see who got the potential to qualify and be there with other teams. And you are absolutely right that if this is the case then just play the teams in the world cup based on rankings. And if this goes on there will be a lot fewer countries playing cricket in the future just like now.

Cricket is mostly played and admired in Asian country, Pakistan, Bangladesh, India have die hearts fans and that is one of the reason of cricket being alive. Super powers have no interest in cricket. USA, Russia, China does not have even the cricket teams. There are other factors of interest for the ICC as well. So I think it would not be just to see one perspective. I am fan of cricket and we have never heard of cricket team of Thailand. So let's chill and watch the play.

I agree, cricket is alive due to these regions. When most of the world is in Football. These countries do not have proper footballs teams. So we can not judge based on areas. But maybe its the interest of the people which keeps some games alive while not playing some very important games on the other hand. But that is right I have seen so much cricket in Pakistan, India and Bangladesh than in any other part of the world.

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Bangladesh women's team lost by 32 runs against South Africa women's team. South Africa gave a target of only 208 runs. It was not a big target. Bangladesh started their innings quite well. Openers Shamima Sultana and Sharmin Akhtar scored 27 and 34 runs respectively. But no batsman of the team could play big innings. So Bangladesh lost all their wickets in just 175 runs.

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Quote from: KennyR on March 04, 2022, 07:46:43 PM

That might be a true story, because people find it weird to watch a game taking place for 5 days. For cricket fans this is interesting to watch, but not the others. Recently Germany cricket team is into the T20 qualifier. It has got placed on the last position of the group. This is early stage for Germany, and the team players were the immigrants from India, Afghanistan and Pakistan. So, this team might develop themselves good in the future.

Now this is again a topic that was raised by many of us before. The so called "German" team doesn't have any German citizens representing them. It was mostly comprised of individuals on student and tourist visas from India and Pakistan. As long as the German nationals are not included in the team, I won't call it a "German national cricket team". And the joke is that Germany had a team comprised of nationals around two decades back. That was when the ICC changed the eligibility criteria and destroyed cricket in smaller nations.

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Quote from: Maidak on March 04, 2022, 03:14:47 PM

I always heard a story that the Germans told Adolf Hitler that cricket is an interesting game and he should check it out. He went to see a cricket match and it was a test match. He sat and watched for quite a few minutes and then asked how long it was going to take and the answer was 5 days. He immediately banned cricket in his region because it was so time-consuming. I don't know if this story is true or not but at the moment I think someone like him was needed to teach ICC a lesson Grin

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Anyway, I think ok ICC is not going to expand cricket to the whole world intentionally and that's why a lot of bull shit rules are going to exist forever in cricket.

That might be a true story, because people find it weird to watch a game taking place for 5 days. For cricket fans this is interesting to watch, but not the others. Recently Germany cricket team is into the T20 qualifier. It has got placed on the last position of the group. This is early stage for Germany, and the team players were the immigrants from India, Afghanistan and Pakistan. So, this team might develop themselves good in the future.

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Quote from: og kush420 on March 04, 2022, 11:35:18 AM

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Quote from: Sithara007 on March 03, 2022, 10:06:48 PM

Thailand was on top of Group B with 6 points, but the ICC decided to provide qualification to Bangladesh and Pakistan instead, since Thailand is not a test playing nation and therefore not included in the rankings. If that is the case, then I don't understand the purpose of the whole qualifying tournament. Why can't they just abandon the tournament and promote teams just based on the ranking?

I don't think that in any other sport there is this crazy qualification system. The ICC is corrupt and that is why we are witnessing this sham.

This is absolutely dumb and is no reason for ICC to do that. The purpose of having a qualifying tournament is to see who got the potential to qualify and be there with other teams. And you are absolutely right that if this is the case then just play the teams in the world cup based on rankings. And if this goes on there will be a lot fewer countries playing cricket in the future just like now.

Cricket is mostly played and admired in Asian country, Pakistan, Bangladesh, India have die hearts fans and that is one of the reason of cricket being alive. Super powers have no interest in cricket. USA, Russia, China does not have even the cricket teams. There are other factors of interest for the ICC as well. So I think it would not be just to see one perspective. I am fan of cricket and we have never heard of cricket team of Thailand. So let's chill and watch the play.

I always heard a story that the Germans told Adolf Hitler that cricket is an interesting game and he should check it out. He went to see a cricket match and it was a test match. He sat and watched for quite a few minutes and then asked how long it was going to take and the answer was 5 days. He immediately banned cricket in his region because it was so time-consuming. I don't know if this story is true or not but at the moment I think someone like him was needed to teach ICC a lesson Grin

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Anyway, I think ok ICC is not going to expand cricket to the whole world intentionally and that's why a lot of bull shit rules are going to exist forever in cricket.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on March 04, 2022, 02:48:21 AM

First ODI of Women WC is underway at Mount Maunganui b/w New Zealand Women and West Indies Women. WI has given target of 259, Hayley Matthews was the top scorer with 118 runs. In reply, NZ Women need 62 runs in 54 balls with 4 wickets in hands. Right now NZ are in comfortable position as Sophie Devine and Sophie Devine are batting on 102 and 23 runs. WI need to break this partnership if they wanna win this game.

Chasing 260 off Dotin's superb bowling, New Zealand suffered their first defeat by 3 runs. Dotin took two wickets in the last over to win by 3 runs against New Zealand। The first game of the World Cup has become really fascinating. It seemed like a final match. There was tension in every over. At some point it seemed like West Indies won.

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Quote from: laurenB7742 on March 04, 2022, 10:28:20 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on March 03, 2022, 10:06:48 PM

Quote from: laurenB7742 on March 03, 2022, 06:33:25 AM

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Thailand was on top of Group B with 6 points, but the ICC decided to provide qualification to Bangladesh and Pakistan instead, since Thailand is not a test playing nation and therefore not included in the rankings. If that is the case, then I don't understand the purpose of the whole qualifying tournament. Why can't they just abandon the tournament and promote teams just based on the ranking?

I don't think that in any other sport there is this crazy qualification system. The ICC is corrupt and that is why we are witnessing this sham.

This is absolutely dumb and is no reason for ICC to do that. The purpose of having a qualifying tournament is to see who got the potential to qualify and be there with other teams. And you are absolutely right that if this is the case then just play the teams in the world cup based on rankings. And if this goes on there will be a lot fewer countries playing cricket in the future just like now.

Cricket is mostly played and admired in Asian country, Pakistan, Bangladesh, India have die hearts fans and that is one of the reason of cricket being alive. Super powers have no interest in cricket. USA, Russia, China does not have even the cricket teams. There are other factors of interest for the ICC as well. So I think it would not be just to see one perspective. I am fan of cricket and we have never heard of cricket team of Thailand. So let's chill and watch the play.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on March 03, 2022, 10:06:48 PM

Quote from: laurenB7742 on March 03, 2022, 06:33:25 AM

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Thailand was on top of Group B with 6 points, but the ICC decided to provide qualification to Bangladesh and Pakistan instead, since Thailand is not a test playing nation and therefore not included in the rankings. If that is the case, then I don't understand the purpose of the whole qualifying tournament. Why can't they just abandon the tournament and promote teams just based on the ranking?

I don't think that in any other sport there is this crazy qualification system. The ICC is corrupt and that is why we are witnessing this sham.

This is absolutely dumb and is no reason for ICC to do that. The purpose of having a qualifying tournament is to see who got the potential to qualify and be there with other teams. And you are absolutely right that if this is the case then just play the teams in the world cup based on rankings. And if this goes on there will be a lot fewer countries playing cricket in the future just like now.

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First ODI of Women WC is underway at Mount Maunganui b/w New Zealand Women and West Indies Women. WI has given target of 259, Hayley Matthews was the top scorer with 118 runs. In reply, NZ Women need 62 runs in 54 balls with 4 wickets in hands. Right now NZ are in comfortable position as Sophie Devine and Sophie Devine are batting on 102 and 23 runs. WI need to break this partnership if they wanna win this game.

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Quote from: laurenB7742 on March 03, 2022, 06:33:25 AM

@romero121, I think that some rules which are followed by the ICC are just straight-up stupid because you cannot deny a team to enter in the world cup just because they are too low in the rankings and this has further made me believe that ICC will never want cricket to be a truly global sport. They just want money and not many people around them can do something about it.

Thailand was on top of Group B with 6 points, but the ICC decided to provide qualification to Bangladesh and Pakistan instead, since Thailand is not a test playing nation and therefore not included in the rankings. If that is the case, then I don't understand the purpose of the whole qualifying tournament. Why can't they just abandon the tournament and promote teams just based on the ranking?

I don't think that in any other sport there is this crazy qualification system. The ICC is corrupt and that is why we are witnessing this sham.

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Increasing the prize money is a welcome step, but the ICC need to do more. They need to include more teams in the world cup. A competition with 8 teams (where all of them qualified as a result of their ranking and test status) can't be termed as a world cup. They need to expand the tournament to at least 12-14 teams. And another thing is that the qualification criteria is ridiculous. Thailand was on the top of the qualifier tournament points table, but the ICC denied them entry to the world cup saying that their ranking is too low.

Apart from ICC, boards also need to do something to promote this event in there jurisdictions. Hardly anyone in my country knows that there is women cricket WC going on, though our team is participating in this WC. Like men cricket, there is lack of test playing countries that have teams of WC standard in women cricket also. Its good at least we have 8 teams of women that can play WC, cant expect anything good from ICC and big 3 for cricket.

I agree with your statement it's 12 edition of world cup with nearly 49 years, and we have never any good marketing or better things from ICC or any relative board about this event and Australia is dominant power in this competition with 6 wins and England is second team with 4 wins and besides them New Zealand is other team who won this event mean it is doing around just very few teams with few others like West Indies and India have chance for qualifying into final.

But here we have no complaint because this is only sports authority which is never been involved in any progress of this game so just because of their policies now we are losing teams in men's cricket so having not good quality and too many teams in women's are not unusual. But if they do some work surely we can have some good number of teams in both events because now with new formats it has some good chance.

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This is really good with ICC increasing the Women's World Cup prize money. Slowly more importance is being given to the women's cricket. At times the women's cricket seems to be underrated. Proper funding is the only way through which it is possible to make good teams and players. Women's World Cup is scheduled for tomorrow and runs for a month. Any prediction on the winner, and I believe it is Australia to grab.

Increasing the prize money is a welcome step, but the ICC need to do more. They need to include more teams in the world cup. A competition with 8 teams (where all of them qualified as a result of their ranking and test status) can't be termed as a world cup. They need to expand the tournament to at least 12-14 teams. And another thing is that the qualification criteria is ridiculous. Thailand was on the top of the qualifier tournament points table, but the ICC denied them entry to the world cup saying that their ranking is too low.

@romero121, Australia seems to be the favorites as they are the number 1 ranked team for the ICC women's cricket. But I also see England play quite well. I was thinking that India might have a chance but I think recently they are not in the best of form. And obviously, women's cricket is not really popular around the world and does not create that much hype. It doesn't also get the same amount of funding. So it's quite understandable why this happens.

@romero121, I think that some rules which are followed by the ICC are just straight-up stupid because you cannot deny a team to enter in the world cup just because they are too low in the rankings and this has further made me believe that ICC will never want cricket to be a truly global sport. They just want money and not many people around them can do something about it.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on March 02, 2022, 09:21:38 PM

Increasing the prize money is a welcome step, but the ICC need to do more. They need to include more teams in the world cup. A competition with 8 teams (where all of them qualified as a result of their ranking and test status) can't be termed as a world cup. They need to expand the tournament to at least 12-14 teams. And another thing is that the qualification criteria is ridiculous. Thailand was on the top of the qualifier tournament points table, but the ICC denied them entry to the world cup saying that their ranking is too low.

Apart from ICC, boards also need to do something to promote this event in there jurisdictions. Hardly anyone in my country knows that there is women cricket WC going on, though our team is participating in this WC. Like men cricket, there is lack of test playing countries that have teams of WC standard in women cricket also. Its good at least we have 8 teams of women that can play WC, cant expect anything good from ICC and big 3 for cricket.

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It's basically 10 points for each win and five points for each no contest. For each penalty, over years one point is taken away.
As Bangladesh has played 15 matches and won 10 of them, they have 100 points and a lot of the big teams have not played 15 matches so obviously, the win count is also low for them.
So they are below in the points table.
Meanwhile, Ireland has played 18 matches and earned 68 points only so it's very much possible that they will go further down the points table.

If I am not wrong, around 80 points will be enough to secure a spot in the top-8. Ireland is having 68 points right now, and they have 6 matches remaining. If they win two of their remaining matches, then they can ensure direct qualification to the world cup. They have 3 matches remaining against Bangladesh, and another three against New Zealand. It is quite possible to win two matches. On the other hand, the prospect of teams like South Africa and Sri Lanka looks more perilous when compared with Ireland.

^ As far as I know, the bottom five teams are going to play a qualifying tournament to play in the World Cup and the top 7 teams + the host, India are going to qualify automatically for the world cup.

I really don't know what is a safe amount of points to be in the top 7 because a lot of big teams have lots of matches left to play. I expect a lot of difference to be made later in the points table.

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Quote from: romero121 on March 02, 2022, 06:59:30 PM

This is really good with ICC increasing the Women's World Cup prize money. Slowly more importance is being given to the women's cricket. At times the women's cricket seems to be underrated. Proper funding is the only way through which it is possible to make good teams and players. Women's World Cup is scheduled for tomorrow and runs for a month. Any prediction on the winner, and I believe it is Australia to grab.

That's the first step in promoting women cricket and I would say the prize money is good enough. $1.32 million for winner where boards like BCCI are not willing to spend penny for women leagues is a welcome move from ICC. From winner prediction point of view, NZ are in good form too as they have recently beaten India 4-1 in ODI series. Only Australia, England and NZ have good women teams rest of Boards don't pay much attention on women cricket.

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