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ICC is the governing body but I do not think they have jurisdiction in such a matter. There have been lots of instances in the past when big boards have cancelled tours and nothing happened to them. Pakistani board has suffered a substantial amount of revenue but more importantly, its reputation has now been tarnished because of these cancellations.

The Taliban takeover of Afghanistan and the involvement of Pakistani forces in that changed the ground situation. Rather than any real change in the security status, this may be the factor that might have resulted in the tour cancellation. The ICC can't do much. They can't even impose a financial penalty, if the teams come up with some proof to show that Pakistan is not safe for them. Look at India. The last time they toured Pakistan was two decades ago. Still, the ICC has supported the stance by BCCI.

@Sithara007 of course ICC won’t touch teams like India and New Zealand, because they earn solid revenues from from those teams. Furthermore you’re right if New Zealand board says their government told them of a threat what were they supposed to do, and even ICC will back them but what’s interesting is how will Pakistan emerge from this ruling.
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ICC is the governing body but I do not think they have jurisdiction in such a matter. There have been lots of instances in the past when big boards have cancelled tours and nothing happened to them. Pakistani board has suffered a substantial amount of revenue but more importantly, its reputation has now been tarnished because of these cancellations.

The Taliban takeover of Afghanistan and the involvement of Pakistani forces in that changed the ground situation. Rather than any real change in the security status, this may be the factor that might have resulted in the tour cancellation. The ICC can't do much. They can't even impose a financial penalty, if the teams come up with some proof to show that Pakistan is not safe for them. Look at India. The last time they toured Pakistan was two decades ago. Still, the ICC has supported the stance by BCCI.
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Probably because of PCB efforts and criticism on ECB, they promised to tour in 2022 with tests and ODIs. Finally some good news for PCB and fans.
ECB chairman promises to 'do everything we can' to travel to Pakistan on schedule in 2022.
This doesn't mean anything. ECB still requires approval from the UK government to tour Pakistan. And with the current security situation, I would say that the probability of that is less than 1%. Just coming up with a statement, ensuring "we will do all that we could" doesn't need any approval or effort. But the problem is that such a statement doesn't guarantee that the England team would tour Pakistan in 2022. The PCB should arrange the matches in neutral venues such as the UAE or Oman, if they don't want any last minute cancellations.  
Considering PCB recent reaction, they are unlikely to change their stance about playing on neutral ground.
ECB postponing tour, Australian looking for excuse just to cancel their tour and PCB CEO Wasim Khan also stepped down couple of days back. Things are not looking good for the PCB. This Wasim Khan was really hard working guy, hope his replacement able to fill his shoes.

After that rejection from ECB and NZL at the last possible moment, the future of cricket in Pakistan was in huge doubt. We all know what happened to Sri Lankan Team in the past and no one wants that to be repeated right? But it was a very nice gesture from ECB saying that they will tour in 2022 with ODI and Tests. But also, the tour highly depends on if the England Govt. will permit them to do so. Only time will tell what decision they will take.

Tour cancellation ECB's decision, not government's, says British HC to Pakistan
"The British High Commission supported the tour, did not advise against in on security grounds," Christian Turner tweets

On recent tour cancellation England govt said its decision of ECB which is an independent entity. Lets see what decision ECB takes this time.  There are very less chances of teams like NZL, England and Australia visiting Pakistan in near future. Though we have seen successful tour of RSA, Srilanka and Zimbabwe. Role of ICC is very important in resolving such matters but unfortunately its no where seen.
ICC is the governing body but I do not think they have jurisdiction in such a matter. There have been lots of instances in the past when big boards have cancelled tours and nothing happened to them. Pakistani board has suffered a substantial amount of revenue but more importantly, its reputation has now been tarnished because of these cancellations.
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Probably because of PCB efforts and criticism on ECB, they promised to tour in 2022 with tests and ODIs. Finally some good news for PCB and fans.
ECB chairman promises to 'do everything we can' to travel to Pakistan on schedule in 2022.
This doesn't mean anything. ECB still requires approval from the UK government to tour Pakistan. And with the current security situation, I would say that the probability of that is less than 1%. Just coming up with a statement, ensuring "we will do all that we could" doesn't need any approval or effort. But the problem is that such a statement doesn't guarantee that the England team would tour Pakistan in 2022. The PCB should arrange the matches in neutral venues such as the UAE or Oman, if they don't want any last minute cancellations. 
Considering PCB recent reaction, they are unlikely to change their stance about playing on neutral ground.
ECB postponing tour, Australian looking for excuse just to cancel their tour and PCB CEO Wasim Khan also stepped down couple of days back. Things are not looking good for the PCB. This Wasim Khan was really hard working guy, hope his replacement able to fill his shoes.

After that rejection from ECB and NZL at the last possible moment, the future of cricket in Pakistan was in huge doubt. We all know what happened to Sri Lankan Team in the past and no one wants that to be repeated right? But it was a very nice gesture from ECB saying that they will tour in 2022 with ODI and Tests. But also, the tour highly depends on if the England Govt. will permit them to do so. Only time will tell what decision they will take.

Tour cancellation ECB's decision, not government's, says British HC to Pakistan
"The British High Commission supported the tour, did not advise against in on security grounds," Christian Turner tweets

On recent tour cancellation England govt said its decision of ECB which is an independent entity. Lets see what decision ECB takes this time.  There are very less chances of teams like NZL, England and Australia visiting Pakistan in near future. Though we have seen successful tour of RSA, Srilanka and Zimbabwe. Role of ICC is very important in resolving such matters but unfortunately its no where seen.
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Probably because of PCB efforts and criticism on ECB, they promised to tour in 2022 with tests and ODIs. Finally some good news for PCB and fans.
ECB chairman promises to 'do everything we can' to travel to Pakistan on schedule in 2022.
This doesn't mean anything. ECB still requires approval from the UK government to tour Pakistan. And with the current security situation, I would say that the probability of that is less than 1%. Just coming up with a statement, ensuring "we will do all that we could" doesn't need any approval or effort. But the problem is that such a statement doesn't guarantee that the England team would tour Pakistan in 2022. The PCB should arrange the matches in neutral venues such as the UAE or Oman, if they don't want any last minute cancellations. 
Considering PCB recent reaction, they are unlikely to change their stance about playing on neutral ground.
ECB postponing tour, Australian looking for excuse just to cancel their tour and PCB CEO Wasim Khan also stepped down couple of days back. Things are not looking good for the PCB. This Wasim Khan was really hard working guy, hope his replacement able to fill his shoes.

After that rejection from ECB and NZL at the last possible moment, the future of cricket in Pakistan was in huge doubt. We all know what happened to Sri Lankan Team in the past and no one wants that to be repeated right? But it was a very nice gesture from ECB saying that they will tour in 2022 with ODI and Tests. But also, the tour highly depends on if the England Govt. will permit them to do so. Only time will tell what decision they will take.
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Probably because of PCB efforts and criticism on ECB, they promised to tour in 2022 with tests and ODIs. Finally some good news for PCB and fans.
ECB chairman promises to 'do everything we can' to travel to Pakistan on schedule in 2022.

This doesn't mean anything. ECB still requires approval from the UK government to tour Pakistan. And with the current security situation, I would say that the probability of that is less than 1%. Just coming up with a statement, ensuring "we will do all that we could" doesn't need any approval or effort. But the problem is that such a statement doesn't guarantee that the England team would tour Pakistan in 2022. The PCB should arrange the matches in neutral venues such as the UAE or Oman, if they don't want any last minute cancellations. 
Considering PCB recent reaction, they are unlikely to change their stance about playing on neutral ground.

ECB postponing tour, Australian looking for excuse just to cancel their tour and PCB CEO Wasim Khan also stepped down couple of days back. Things are not looking good for the PCB. This Wasim Khan was really hard working guy, hope his replacement able to fill his shoes.
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Probably because of PCB efforts and criticism on ECB, they promised to tour in 2022 with tests and ODIs. Finally some good news for PCB and fans.
ECB chairman promises to 'do everything we can' to travel to Pakistan on schedule in 2022.

This doesn't mean anything. ECB still requires approval from the UK government to tour Pakistan. And with the current security situation, I would say that the probability of that is less than 1%. Just coming up with a statement, ensuring "we will do all that we could" doesn't need any approval or effort. But the problem is that such a statement doesn't guarantee that the England team would tour Pakistan in 2022. The PCB should arrange the matches in neutral venues such as the UAE or Oman, if they don't want any last minute cancellations. 
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Pakistan has already invited and played safely against RSA, SL, Bangladesh and Zimbabwe. It was time for other team to visit Pakistan but they refused. AFAIK, security was not the prime reason rather they were political decision. Either way its bad for PCB and bad for the game.

I am also saying the same thing but they should so some action like inviting more teams to their country or if ICC, don't allow this, then conduct more domestic tournaments and invite international players. I remember they started KPL this year along with PSL.
Only claiming that due to political reason no teams want to come here, why not  find ways to improve the situation.

Right now there is National T20 Cup going on in Pakistan domestic and all major players from national side are participating in that tournament. You are right that PCB should not sit back and just keep on cursing the political reasons.
Probably because of PCB efforts and criticism on ECB, they promised to tour in 2022 with tests and ODIs. Finally some good news for PCB and fans.
ECB chairman promises to 'do everything we can' to travel to Pakistan on schedule in 2022.
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I am sure how much Indian Woman players make per match but thinking logically Indian domestic players are paid handsomely and my guess would be the Woman cricket International players will be compensated with a package more than that. They might not be making the same amount of money as the male counterparts because of the lack of audience and advertisement they can generate.

The male players earn ₹35,000 per match day participating in Indian domestic cricket, and for the women's cricketers the salary is much lower than that. And given the less number of matches compared to the men's players, the total earnings are not enough to concentrate fully in the sport. Very few of the women's player are full-time cricketers. Most of them have their regular job, and take leave from work when they need to play. In Australia and England that is not the case. The players are all professionals and their salaries are high. 
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In the end, money matters. Indian women's cricket is in such poor shape because the salaries offered to the players are too low for them to remain as professionals. Right now only the national players can afford to do so. If WIPL is started with 4 teams, that would mean that a minimum of 30 additional players can get themselves elevated as professionals. Just take a look at Indian IPL players like Kamlesh Nagarkoti and Lalit Yadav. How much were they getting from domestic cricket, before being picked up by the IPL franchises?
I am sure how much Indian Woman players make per match but thinking logically Indian domestic players are paid handsomely and my guess would be the Woman cricket International players will be compensated with a package more than that. They might not be making the same amount of money as the male counterparts because of the lack of audience and advertisement they can generate.

BCCI is one of the richest boards in cricket and they can still pay more to the domestic players. They also need to start the WIPL to uplift these women players too. They should give it a try and I am sure cricket fans will get involved WIPL too. Only after the success of WIPL you can expect these woman players to earn decently.
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In the end, money matters. Indian women's cricket is in such poor shape because the salaries offered to the players are too low for them to remain as professionals. Right now only the national players can afford to do so. If WIPL is started with 4 teams, that would mean that a minimum of 30 additional players can get themselves elevated as professionals. Just take a look at Indian IPL players like Kamlesh Nagarkoti and Lalit Yadav. How much were they getting from domestic cricket, before being picked up by the IPL franchises?
I am sure how much Indian Woman players make per match but thinking logically Indian domestic players are paid handsomely and my guess would be the Woman cricket International players will be compensated with a package more than that. They might not be making the same amount of money as the male counterparts because of the lack of audience and advertisement they can generate.
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In the end, money matters. Indian women's cricket is in such poor shape because the salaries offered to the players are too low for them to remain as professionals. Right now only the national players can afford to do so. If WIPL is started with 4 teams, that would mean that a minimum of 30 additional players can get themselves elevated as professionals. Just take a look at Indian IPL players like Kamlesh Nagarkoti and Lalit Yadav. How much were they getting from domestic cricket, before being picked up by the IPL franchises?
Money is real matter, but my feeling is BCCI must take some step even with just four teams because this will bring some good interest and surely quality will also improve because now they have all things in their own hands. If BCCI dare this then many local boards will also try to have to arrange small leagues for encouraging women which will surely help them in economical as well after very successful arrangements from CA and ECB they can take chance even just for experimental.
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This statement first came from the Indian Women camp (senior players), even some of them mentioned this in Ashwin's channel. That's why they are advocating for 4-5 teams only. I also in favor of starting with 4-5 teams at start then adding more team, may be next season. One thing is sure, quality will increase in women team after this, guess no one can deny that.
In the end, money matters. Indian women's cricket is in such poor shape because the salaries offered to the players are too low for them to remain as professionals. Right now only the national players can afford to do so. If WIPL is started with 4 teams, that would mean that a minimum of 30 additional players can get themselves elevated as professionals. Just take a look at Indian IPL players like Kamlesh Nagarkoti and Lalit Yadav. How much were they getting from domestic cricket, before being picked up by the IPL franchises?

Maybe this is a good start to take women's cricket in the right direction. WIPL is a good start in my opinion. Though 4 teams are not, but it's better than nothing right? They can eventually increase the number of teams and more players will get a chance to play and more better players will be spotted to be played for the national team. And maybe followed by this, more countries will hold women's league cricket overall benefitting women players around the world.
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This statement first came from the Indian Women camp (senior players), even some of them mentioned this in Ashwin's channel. That's why they are advocating for 4-5 teams only. I also in favor of starting with 4-5 teams at start then adding more team, may be next season. One thing is sure, quality will increase in women team after this, guess no one can deny that.

In the end, money matters. Indian women's cricket is in such poor shape because the salaries offered to the players are too low for them to remain as professionals. Right now only the national players can afford to do so. If WIPL is started with 4 teams, that would mean that a minimum of 30 additional players can get themselves elevated as professionals. Just take a look at Indian IPL players like Kamlesh Nagarkoti and Lalit Yadav. How much were they getting from domestic cricket, before being picked up by the IPL franchises?
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I agree that BCCI is very hesitant to start WIPL and they need to face hard criticism for such behavior but this statement is completely wrong and BS. They didn't even hinted anything like that even when they were giving bizarre excuses.

Their record stuck at only one statement, they like to believe that they don't have enough local talent.

LOL.. not enough local talent? That sounds even more BS for me. WBBL is having 8 teams. The women's domestic competition in India is having a total of 38 teams. It may not be possible to have 8 franchises, but why can't they start with just 4 teams? I believe there is enough talent available in India to form at least 4 teams. And I would suggest one franchise each from Delhi, Mumbai, Bangalore and Chennai. When Indian players are participating in the WBBL and women's Hundred, what is the point in saying that there is not enough talent?
This statement first came from the Indian Women camp (senior players), even some of them mentioned this in Ashwin's channel. That's why they are advocating for 4-5 teams only. I also in favor of starting with 4-5 teams at start then adding more team, may be next season. One thing is sure, quality will increase in women team after this, guess no one can deny that.
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I agree that BCCI is very hesitant to start WIPL and they need to face hard criticism for such behavior but this statement is completely wrong and BS. They didn't even hinted anything like that even when they were giving bizarre excuses.

Their record stuck at only one statement, they like to believe that they don't have enough local talent.

LOL.. not enough local talent? That sounds even more BS for me. WBBL is having 8 teams. The women's domestic competition in India is having a total of 38 teams. It may not be possible to have 8 franchises, but why can't they start with just 4 teams? I believe there is enough talent available in India to form at least 4 teams. And I would suggest one franchise each from Delhi, Mumbai, Bangalore and Chennai. When Indian players are participating in the WBBL and women's Hundred, what is the point in saying that there is not enough talent?
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This is really shocking news for me that BCCI is obliging their women cricketers for WBBL and Women's Hundred because if they start their own WIPL this can bring some very good profit and their women's cricket could be going in very good way, and they will be able to challenge big two of women cricket England and Australia because right now these ladies doing very impressive in last few years and this type activity will bring some good funds which can improve their ways with some big amount.

The excuse being given by the BCCI is that if they start any other league such as the WIPL, then it may have an impact on the popularity of the IPL. They are quite protective about the IPL and that is why they have banned Indian players from foreign leagues and have even banned overseas players from participating in state-level leagues such as the Tamil Nadu Premier League and Karnataka Premier League. The CA and ECB are not that protective and their justification is that the fan base for men's and women's game are not the same.
I agree that BCCI is very hesitant to start WIPL and they need to face hard criticism for such behavior but this statement is completely wrong and BS. They didn't even hinted anything like that even when they were giving bizarre excuses.

Their record stuck at only one statement, they like to believe that they don't have enough local talent.
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This is really shocking news for me that BCCI is obliging their women cricketers for WBBL and Women's Hundred because if they start their own WIPL this can bring some very good profit and their women's cricket could be going in very good way, and they will be able to challenge big two of women cricket England and Australia because right now these ladies doing very impressive in last few years and this type activity will bring some good funds which can improve their ways with some big amount.

The excuse being given by the BCCI is that if they start any other league such as the WIPL, then it may have an impact on the popularity of the IPL. They are quite protective about the IPL and that is why they have banned Indian players from foreign leagues and have even banned overseas players from participating in state-level leagues such as the Tamil Nadu Premier League and Karnataka Premier League. The CA and ECB are not that protective and their justification is that the fan base for men's and women's game are not the same.
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The Indian women's team had a great win against the Australian women's team. This is their first win in the series. In women's cricket, the Australian team is much stronger than any other team. Winning against them is challenging for any team. Congratulations to the Indian women's team, they have done a great job and they have beaten Australia.
Yes.. Australia and England are a step ahead of the rest, as far as women's cricket is concerned. Does that really surprise you? CA and ECB have invested heavily in women's cricket, unlike the BCCI. Despite a lot of requests for the WIPL, the BCCI has refused to come up with a franchise league for the women cricketers. They are now asking the national women's players to take part in WBBL and the Women's Hundred. How shameful is this? They are effectively saying that they don't have any money for the women's players and therefore they can play in tournaments organized by the CA and ECB. Is the development of women's cricket in India the responsibility of the Australian and English boards?
This is really shocking news for me that BCCI is obliging their women cricketers for WBBL and Women's Hundred because if they start their own WIPL this can bring some very good profit and their women's cricket could be going in very good way, and they will be able to challenge big two of women cricket England and Australia because right now these ladies doing very impressive in last few years and this type activity will bring some good funds which can improve their ways with some big amount.
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The Indian women's team had a great win against the Australian women's team. This is their first win in the series. In women's cricket, the Australian team is much stronger than any other team. Winning against them is challenging for any team. Congratulations to the Indian women's team, they have done a great job and they have beaten Australia.

Yes.. Australia and England are a step ahead of the rest, as far as women's cricket is concerned. Does that really surprise you? CA and ECB have invested heavily in women's cricket, unlike the BCCI. Despite a lot of requests for the WIPL, the BCCI has refused to come up with a franchise league for the women cricketers. They are now asking the national women's players to take part in WBBL and the Women's Hundred. How shameful is this? They are effectively saying that they don't have any money for the women's players and therefore they can play in tournaments organized by the CA and ECB. Is the development of women's cricket in India the responsibility of the Australian and English boards?
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