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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on October 03, 2021, 08:49:45 AM

Quote from: UmerIdrees on October 03, 2021, 08:31:54 AM

Which other board you are referring here who got benefit from the IPL ?
Again you have excluded PCB , SLCB ,BCB and happy to play and distribute benefits within the Big 3. Cheesy

IPL may look attractive from top but infact it is the one major reason for the downfall of cricket by the abuse of power.

The IPL has brought in huge amounts of money. But the problem is that this amount is not being distributed evenly. A part of the revenue should go to the ICC, but that is not happening now. ICC has blocked two months of international calendar every year to accommodate the IPL. ECB, NZC and some of the other boards are happy because they are getting the breadcrumbs that are thrown to them by the BCCI. The other boards are not even getting that. The revenue distribution system with cricket is not fair. It has seen richer boards getting more and more money, while the poorer ones getting less with each passing year.

Your all point is valid because here political influence working too much the boards having funds from BCCI are happy and don't want to talk about this all but other boards feeling bad in this all situation if ICC have some dignity then sit with all members and talk them about this all after this give funds to all equally because this will bring some more quality and better infrastructure in game of cricket like we have in soccer. They are not favoring any country or region working for all countries equally but here just personal likes and dislikes are hurting all setup very badly which can bring more gape and hate between boards in near future.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on October 03, 2021, 08:31:54 AM

Which other board you are referring here who got benefit from the IPL ?
Again you have excluded PCB , SLCB ,BCB and happy to play and distribute benefits within the Big 3. Cheesy

IPL may look attractive from top but infact it is the one major reason for the downfall of cricket by the abuse of power.

The IPL has brought in huge amounts of money. But the problem is that this amount is not being distributed evenly. A part of the revenue should go to the ICC, but that is not happening now. ICC has blocked two months of international calendar every year to accommodate the IPL. ECB, NZC and some of the other boards are happy because they are getting the breadcrumbs that are thrown to them by the BCCI. The other boards are not even getting that. The revenue distribution system with cricket is not fair. It has seen richer boards getting more and more money, while the poorer ones getting less with each passing year.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on October 03, 2021, 07:21:12 AM

Quote from: GbitG on October 03, 2021, 06:20:26 AM

India after having luxury like IPL is feeling good, otherwise their domestic system was also never been ideal. Now they have a billion of USD in funds and can spend freely, so they are bringing them into big 3. Australia, England and New Zealand have the best domestic systems, and they are producing good players but New Zealand recently done very good in cricket few years back they were also average team even with good domestic system.
Real matter of shame is as IPL introduced, and they give some good bribes and funds too few boards now they are using their power in wrong way and crickets beauty is going to end just money is now all for few peoples they can do anything for this,

You are forgetting the fact that the IPL is beneficial for some of the other boards as well. There is a "foreigner release fee" that is being paid to the other cricket boards for allowing their players to appear in the IPL. This amounts to 20% of the contract amount. And for some of the boards with good representation in the IPL, such as ECB, CA, CSA and WICB, the IPL is a goose that lays golden eggs. But the same can't be said about boards like SLCB, PCB and BCB, which have little or no representation in the IPL.

Which other board you are referring here who got benefit from the IPL ?
Again you have excluded PCB , SLCB ,BCB and happy to play and distribute benefits within the Big 3. Cheesy

IPL may look attractive from top but infact it is the one major reason for the downfall of cricket by the abuse of power.

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Quote from: GbitG on October 03, 2021, 06:20:26 AM

India after having luxury like IPL is feeling good, otherwise their domestic system was also never been ideal. Now they have a billion of USD in funds and can spend freely, so they are bringing them into big 3. Australia, England and New Zealand have the best domestic systems, and they are producing good players but New Zealand recently done very good in cricket few years back they were also average team even with good domestic system.
Real matter of shame is as IPL introduced, and they give some good bribes and funds too few boards now they are using their power in wrong way and crickets beauty is going to end just money is now all for few peoples they can do anything for this,

You are forgetting the fact that the IPL is beneficial for some of the other boards as well. There is a "foreigner release fee" that is being paid to the other cricket boards for allowing their players to appear in the IPL. This amounts to 20% of the contract amount. And for some of the boards with good representation in the IPL, such as ECB, CA, CSA and WICB, the IPL is a goose that lays golden eggs. But the same can't be said about boards like SLCB, PCB and BCB, which have little or no representation in the IPL.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 02, 2021, 09:45:32 PM

Quote from: ene1980 on October 02, 2021, 05:59:03 PM

Pakistan is not even competitive in Test and ODI, in T20 they can be competitive. I would like to see a series between Bangladesh and Pakistan and that would be a competitive match, but if they play against Australia, New Zealand and England there is no competition Cheesy

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Australia is a shadow of their former self. I agree that India, New Zealand and England are at the top now. The gap between them and the smaller boards like PCB and WICB are increasing because of the stark difference in revenues and the lack of availability of players due to their role in franchise T20 leagues. But for Australia, the plus point is that they probably have the strongest domestic cricket system in the world. On the other hand, for teams like Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh, the domestic system is very poor.

India after having luxury like IPL is feeling good, otherwise their domestic system was also never been ideal. Now they have a billion of USD in funds and can spend freely, so they are bringing them into big 3. Australia, England and New Zealand have the best domestic systems, and they are producing good players but New Zealand recently done very good in cricket few years back they were also average team even with good domestic system.
Real matter of shame is as IPL introduced, and they give some good bribes and funds too few boards now they are using their power in wrong way and crickets beauty is going to end just money is now all for few peoples they can do anything for this,

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Quote from: ene1980 on October 02, 2021, 05:59:03 PM

Quote from: UmerIdrees on October 02, 2021, 02:42:43 PM

And yeah let the big three cowards enjoy by playing among themselves and avoid the competition.

Pakistan is not even competitive in Test and ODI, in T20 they can be competitive. I would like to see a series between Bangladesh and Pakistan and that would be a competitive match, but if they play against Australia, New Zealand and England there is no competition Cheesy

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The T20 world cup is very near and these teams will have to play with us and can't avoid the competition

Pakistan team may look weak on the paper but they always give tough time to the opponent. The big 3 nations should wake up from the sleep and stop playing among themselves.
Closing the eyes and avoiding the competition would not make them champions.

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Quote from: ene1980 on October 02, 2021, 05:59:03 PM

Pakistan is not even competitive in Test and ODI, in T20 they can be competitive. I would like to see a series between Bangladesh and Pakistan and that would be a competitive match, but if they play against Australia, New Zealand and England there is no competition Cheesy

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Australia is a shadow of their former self. I agree that India, New Zealand and England are at the top now. The gap between them and the smaller boards like PCB and WICB are increasing because of the stark difference in revenues and the lack of availability of players due to their role in franchise T20 leagues. But for Australia, the plus point is that they probably have the strongest domestic cricket system in the world. On the other hand, for teams like Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh, the domestic system is very poor.

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Quote from: ene1980 on October 02, 2021, 05:59:03 PM

Quote from: UmerIdrees on October 02, 2021, 02:42:43 PM

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Sometimes the dignity is more important than the money or the game. The way NewZealand team left the country was an insult in itself and no respectful country can allow this. PCB can solve the finical problems in many others way but will not play them in the Neutral venue.

Lets see how long PCB will continue with their demands, New Zealand team left the country was an insult for them, what happened to the players that were shot and i never heard about any compensation by the PCB or the ICC because i was not following cricket during that period. If money was not a problem for PCB then what is the problem in playing in neutral grounds if other countries are not trusting the security.

Quote from: UmerIdrees on October 02, 2021, 02:42:43 PM

And yeah let the big three cowards enjoy by playing among themselves and avoid the competition.

Pakistan is not even competitive in Test and ODI, in T20 they can be competitive. I would like to see a series between Bangladesh and Pakistan and that would be a competitive match, but if they play against Australia, New Zealand and England there is no competition Cheesy

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You're this statement is completely biased that Pakistan is not a competitive side because Pakistan play very aggressive cricket and have the best players in all formats just sometime bad patch never give as a bad team against Australia, New Zealand and England if you have any doubt then check history how they beat them at their own home and how they rule in all cricket world for some long time. Right now have some bad time, so peoples like you those have nothing knowledge about game are talking like this just shame on you and your poor thinking. Pakistan is one of most unpredictable team but still able to beat any team in cricket world.
Now they have one stick stance about playing at neutral place which is good even currently they will face some problems but this all will end soon.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on October 02, 2021, 02:42:43 PM

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Sometimes the dignity is more important than the money or the game. The way NewZealand team left the country was an insult in itself and no respectful country can allow this. PCB can solve the finical problems in many others way but will not play them in the Neutral venue.

Lets see how long PCB will continue with their demands, New Zealand team left the country was an insult for them, what happened to the players that were shot and i never heard about any compensation by the PCB or the ICC because i was not following cricket during that period. If money was not a problem for PCB then what is the problem in playing in neutral grounds if other countries are not trusting the security.

Quote from: UmerIdrees on October 02, 2021, 02:42:43 PM

And yeah let the big three cowards enjoy by playing among themselves and avoid the competition.

Pakistan is not even competitive in Test and ODI, in T20 they can be competitive. I would like to see a series between Bangladesh and Pakistan and that would be a competitive match, but if they play against Australia, New Zealand and England there is no competition Cheesy

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Quote from: perfect999 on October 02, 2021, 01:59:21 PM

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Quote from: JSRAW on September 30, 2021, 02:46:23 AM

Considering PCB recent reaction, they are unlikely to change their stance about playing on neutral ground.

Yes, So if you ask us that since the big three nations aren't willing to come and play in Pakistan, should we play with them on a neutral ground, the answer from the whole nation is
Absolutely Not

And that is a big strong message to the ECB, ,CA , BCCI and ICC.

PCB's this policy is not good for themselves because big countries already playing and enjoying their cricket, and they have some good financial help through TV rights and contracts through big brands. And PCB which is already in some crises are going to face some more problems because playing against weak sides are not going to help them in any way. Just big teams can bring some better financial packages and audience in ground, they must think about this all if they want to part of ICC and cricket community.

Sometimes the dignity is more important than the money or the game. The way NewZealand team left the country was an insult in itself and no respectful country can allow this. PCB can solve the finical problems in many others way but will not play them in the Neutral venue.

And yeah let the big three cowards enjoy by playing among themselves and avoid the competition.

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Quote from: JSRAW on September 30, 2021, 02:46:23 AM

Considering PCB recent reaction, they are unlikely to change their stance about playing on neutral ground.

Yes, So if you ask us that since the big three nations aren't willing to come and play in Pakistan, should we play with them on a neutral ground, the answer from the whole nation is
Absolutely Not

And that is a big strong message to the ECB, ,CA , BCCI and ICC.

PCB's this policy is not good for themselves because big countries already playing and enjoying their cricket, and they have some good financial help through TV rights and contracts through big brands. And PCB which is already in some crises are going to face some more problems because playing against weak sides are not going to help them in any way. Just big teams can bring some better financial packages and audience in ground, they must think about this all if they want to part of ICC and cricket community.

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Quote from: JSRAW on September 30, 2021, 02:46:23 AM

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Probably because of PCB efforts and criticism on ECB, they promised to tour in 2022 with tests and ODIs. Finally some good news for PCB and fans.
ECB chairman promises to 'do everything we can' to travel to Pakistan on schedule in 2022.

This doesn't mean anything. ECB still requires approval from the UK government to tour Pakistan. And with the current security situation, I would say that the probability of that is less than 1%. Just coming up with a statement, ensuring "we will do all that we could" doesn't need any approval or effort. But the problem is that such a statement doesn't guarantee that the England team would tour Pakistan in 2022. The PCB should arrange the matches in neutral venues such as the UAE or Oman, if they don't want any last minute cancellations.

Considering PCB recent reaction, they are unlikely to change their stance about playing on neutral ground.

Yes, So if you ask us that since the big three nations aren't willing to come and play in Pakistan, should we play with them on a neutral ground, the answer from the whole nation is
Absolutely Not

And that is a big strong message to the ECB, ,CA , BCCI and ICC.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 01, 2021, 10:25:08 PM

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There were no death threats and nothing anything serious related to this all just all hype on social media and some internal politics of few countries because now recently ECB chief already apologies even it's all now just formality but good thing Pakistan announces now they will never play on neutral venue, Right now talk of town is Afghanistan as few countries feeling serious humiliation with their defeat and using their own tactics but this all will end soon. Pakistan is good for cricket because few cricket boards already announces they are ready for tour of Pakistan, but now authorities will announce all details after Twenty/20 world cup.

The Asian countries (I mean Bangladesh and Sri Lanka, and definitely not India) may be open to the idea of touring Pakistan. But after the pullout by both CNZ and ECB, I don't think that any of the SENA nations would agree to tour Pakistan. PCB is back to the position where they were one and half decades ago, when they had to organize tours from smaller countries like Kenya and Zimbabwe to show that it is safe to conduct cricket matches in Pakistan. I don't foresee a quick resolution to this crisis any time soon.

Currently, 6 Boards have no issues with Pakistan just big three and their affiliated CNZ creating some drama, and they are right because they have power, so they can do all things right now Pakistan already survive, and they can survive again for some long time, but they have their good lessons for future which are very important. Right now we have some better peoples in PCB hopefully they will do some more good job as they have no political association just cricketers and love to work for Pakistan which is very important. As I already mention now it's all about dirty politics and money nothing else but still we have to face few things because geopolitically we are living in one of world's most danger zones which is fact, and we can't change this all.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on October 02, 2021, 01:47:26 AM

How do you think the smaller board will be able to increase their revenue? Most of them are already running T20 leagues similar to the IPL still they do not have money. Small boards need to restructure themselve and in force strict anti corruption law. They also need to work on their selection criteria. Most players are in some way or the other related to board members or ex cricketer. They need find good talent and start winning some good ICC tournament then only ICC will think about them.

Well everything is fair if you have money. Nobody has any objection playing IPL in India when covid19 was at its peak there. Rather then restructuring, small boards must get united (rather then becoming alliance of big three) and demand ICC for there fair share. Thats the only way to break big 3 monopoly.
There is no league that is even close to IPL these days, IPL is multi billion dollar business my friend.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on September 30, 2021, 09:40:06 PM

The Taliban takeover of Afghanistan and the involvement of Pakistani forces in that changed the ground situation. Rather than any real change in the security status, this may be the factor that might have resulted in the tour cancellation.

Its important for future of Afghanistan cricket that ICC should continue support of Afghanistan. Afghan cricket team has made massive progress in last decade and it will be back to zero if ICC disconnect its support due to recent government change.

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No one wants to risk their lives. I support the decision of the New Zealand Board. Because several players have received death threats. In a country like Pakistan, when players receive death threats, the players become emotionally scared and weak.

Absolutely wrong, there isn't anything like that happened at first place. New Zealan officials says they called off tour because there government said so. Details are never shared till date.

So to cut it short. PCB and other small boards have to increase there revenue if they want ICC to listen to them otherwise things will continue to move like that.

How do you think the smaller board will be able to increase their revenue? Most of them are already running T20 leagues similar to the IPL still they do not have money. Small boards need to restructure themselve and in force strict anti corruption law. They also need to work on their selection criteria. Most players are in some way or the other related to board members or ex cricketer. They need find good talent and start winning some good ICC tournament then only ICC will think about them.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on September 30, 2021, 09:40:06 PM

The Taliban takeover of Afghanistan and the involvement of Pakistani forces in that changed the ground situation. Rather than any real change in the security status, this may be the factor that might have resulted in the tour cancellation.

Its important for future of Afghanistan cricket that ICC should continue support of Afghanistan. Afghan cricket team has made massive progress in last decade and it will be back to zero if ICC disconnect its support due to recent government change.

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No one wants to risk their lives. I support the decision of the New Zealand Board. Because several players have received death threats. In a country like Pakistan, when players receive death threats, the players become emotionally scared and weak.

Absolutely wrong, there isn't anything like that happened at first place. New Zealan officials says they called off tour because there government said so. Details are never shared till date.

So to cut it short. PCB and other small boards have to increase there revenue if they want ICC to listen to them otherwise things will continue to move like that.

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Quote from: GbitG on October 01, 2021, 09:53:29 AM

There were no death threats and nothing anything serious related to this all just all hype on social media and some internal politics of few countries because now recently ECB chief already apologies even it's all now just formality but good thing Pakistan announces now they will never play on neutral venue, Right now talk of town is Afghanistan as few countries feeling serious humiliation with their defeat and using their own tactics but this all will end soon. Pakistan is good for cricket because few cricket boards already announces they are ready for tour of Pakistan, but now authorities will announce all details after Twenty/20 world cup.

The Asian countries (I mean Bangladesh and Sri Lanka, and definitely not India) may be open to the idea of touring Pakistan. But after the pullout by both CNZ and ECB, I don't think that any of the SENA nations would agree to tour Pakistan. PCB is back to the position where they were one and half decades ago, when they had to organize tours from smaller countries like Kenya and Zimbabwe to show that it is safe to conduct cricket matches in Pakistan. I don't foresee a quick resolution to this crisis any time soon.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on October 01, 2021, 02:23:26 AM

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No one wants to risk their lives. I support the decision of the New Zealand Board. Because several players have received death threats. In a country like Pakistan, when players receive death threats, the players become emotionally scared and weak. That's normal. In such a situation they could not perform well in Pakistan. And the New Zealand board didn't want to take any risks, so they canceled the series and returned home.

Oh.. did the players received death threats? I was unaware of this development. If that is the case then NZC did the right thing in calling off the tour. I don't want to side with the PCB here. How can anyone visit Pakistan, when Taliban is butchering hundreds everyday, just across the border? Under these circumstances, the only viable alternative is to hold matches in UAE. And I don't understand the hesitation from the part of PCB in moving matches there. Perhaps they are afraid of losing the revenues?

There were no death threats and nothing anything serious related to this all just all hype on social media and some internal politics of few countries because now recently ECB chief already apologies even it's all now just formality but good thing Pakistan announces now they will never play on neutral venue, Right now talk of town is Afghanistan as few countries feeling serious humiliation with their defeat and using their own tactics but this all will end soon. Pakistan is good for cricket because few cricket boards already announces they are ready for tour of Pakistan, but now authorities will announce all details after Twenty/20 world cup.

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Quote from: CryptoBuds on October 01, 2021, 12:49:39 AM

No one wants to risk their lives. I support the decision of the New Zealand Board. Because several players have received death threats. In a country like Pakistan, when players receive death threats, the players become emotionally scared and weak. That's normal. In such a situation they could not perform well in Pakistan. And the New Zealand board didn't want to take any risks, so they canceled the series and returned home.

Oh.. did the players received death threats? I was unaware of this development. If that is the case then NZC did the right thing in calling off the tour. I don't want to side with the PCB here. How can anyone visit Pakistan, when Taliban is butchering hundreds everyday, just across the border? Under these circumstances, the only viable alternative is to hold matches in UAE. And I don't understand the hesitation from the part of PCB in moving matches there. Perhaps they are afraid of losing the revenues?

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on September 30, 2021, 08:33:34 PM

ICC is the governing body but I do not think they have jurisdiction in such a matter. There have been lots of instances in the past when big boards have cancelled tours and nothing happened to them. Pakistani board has suffered a substantial amount of revenue but more importantly, its reputation has now been tarnished because of these cancellations.

The Taliban takeover of Afghanistan and the involvement of Pakistani forces in that changed the ground situation. Rather than any real change in the security status, this may be the factor that might have resulted in the tour cancellation. The ICC can't do much. They can't even impose a financial penalty, if the teams come up with some proof to show that Pakistan is not safe for them. Look at India. The last time they toured Pakistan was two decades ago. Still, the ICC has supported the stance by BCCI.

@Sithara007 of course ICC won’t touch teams like India and New Zealand, because they earn solid revenues from from those teams. Furthermore you’re right if New Zealand board says their government told them of a threat what were they supposed to do, and even ICC will back them but what’s interesting is how will Pakistan emerge from this ruling.

No one wants to risk their lives. I support the decision of the New Zealand Board. Because several players have received death threats. In a country like Pakistan, when players receive death threats, the players become emotionally scared and weak. That's normal. In such a situation they could not perform well in Pakistan. And the New Zealand board didn't want to take any risks, so they canceled the series and returned home.

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