Topic: Official Anoncoin chat thread (including history) - page 158. (Read 530660 times)

Here is a poll on another thread.

What anonymous coin will succeed?
Anoncoin [ANC]    - 10 (1.6%)
Darkcoin [DRK]    - 136 (22.3%)
Fedoracoin [TIPS]    - 4 (0.7%)
Other    - 11 (1.8%)
Bytecoin [BCN]    - 9 (1.5%)
Zerocash    - 4 (0.7%)
Monero [XMR]    - 67 (11%)
HoneyPenny [HP]    - 1 (0.2%)
Libertycoin [XLB]    - 2 (0.3%)
Quazarcoin [QCN]    - 0 (0%)
Fantomcoin [FCN]    - 0 (0%)
Pinkcoin [PC]    - 2 (0.3%)
Cryptcoin [CRYPT]    - 18 (3%)
Orangecoin [OC]    - 0 (0%)
Cinnicoin [CINNI]    - 3 (0.5%)
Vericoin [VRC]    - 10 (1.6%)
BitcoinDark [BTCD]    - 15 (2.5%)
Cloakcoin [CLOAK]    - 111 (18.2%)
XC [XC]    - 64 (10.5%)
VootCoin [VOOT]    - 27 (4.4%)
Vertcoin [VTC]    - 20 (3.3%)
Supercoin [SUPERCOIN]    - 4 (0.7%)
Credits [CRD]    - 2 (0.3%)
MammothCoin [MAMM]    - 3 (0.5%)
Boolberycoin [BBR]    - 5 (0.8%)
Aerocoin [AERO]    - 7 (1.1%)
Stealthcoin [XST]    - 24 (3.9%)
Synccoin [SYNC]    - 1 (0.2%)
Incognitocoin [IGC]    - 12 (2%)
Keycoin [KEY]    - 14 (2.3%)
Lockcoin [LOCK]    - 13 (2.1%)
Boomcoin [BOOM]    - 10 (1.6%)

There are several new anonymous coins coming every week now. Soon it will be several a day.

Here is a summary of the argument I have been trying to make one last time. Then I will terminate the luigi persona and try to be polite under a different username.

Imagine two coins and decide which is likely to succeed.

Anoncoin 1. The current anoncoin. Tries to emphasize a superior anonymity protocol, as many coins do. Tries to take a conservative approach, not ruffle feathers, as most coins do. Aside from working with monero in a mainstream political way there is nothing at this point that distinguishes anoncoin from any other coin except its history.

Anoncoin 2. A coin that takes aggressive political stances and overtly intends to be used for political purposes. Goes after markets in countries with tight financial restrictions. Top priority is to be used globally in any language, culture etc, rather than seeming to focus on people who hide money for criminal or comfort reasons or most of the other reasons Americans and Europeans most commonly might use an anonymous currency for. Primary focus is financial ethics with no regard or respect for national laws that contradict its goals.

Only one of those two coins would succeed. Anoncoin right now, with no real goals beyond making some money for its holders, is doing exactly the same thing as a hundred other coins. It is digital mediocrity like most coins.

Turning it into a successful coin that will survive only requires the devs and other visible people to decide thats the path the coin will take. Logistics, e.g. "how do you target x country with anoncoin", will be much more easily solved than " how do you beat darkcoin or whatevercoin in the race to a more marketable algorhythm".

Would this just be a fork of another openmarket (like bitxbay), or would you be starting from scratch?

Here is a poll on another thread.

What anonymous coin will succeed?
Anoncoin [ANC]    - 10 (1.6%)
Darkcoin [DRK]    - 136 (22.3%)
Fedoracoin [TIPS]    - 4 (0.7%)
Other    - 11 (1.8%)
Bytecoin [BCN]    - 9 (1.5%)
Zerocash    - 4 (0.7%)
Monero [XMR]    - 67 (11%)
HoneyPenny [HP]    - 1 (0.2%)
Libertycoin [XLB]    - 2 (0.3%)
Quazarcoin [QCN]    - 0 (0%)
Fantomcoin [FCN]    - 0 (0%)
Pinkcoin [PC]    - 2 (0.3%)
Cryptcoin [CRYPT]    - 18 (3%)
Orangecoin [OC]    - 0 (0%)
Cinnicoin [CINNI]    - 3 (0.5%)
Vericoin [VRC]    - 10 (1.6%)
BitcoinDark [BTCD]    - 15 (2.5%)
Cloakcoin [CLOAK]    - 111 (18.2%)
XC [XC]    - 64 (10.5%)
VootCoin [VOOT]    - 27 (4.4%)
Vertcoin [VTC]    - 20 (3.3%)
Supercoin [SUPERCOIN]    - 4 (0.7%)
Credits [CRD]    - 2 (0.3%)
MammothCoin [MAMM]    - 3 (0.5%)
Boolberycoin [BBR]    - 5 (0.8%)
Aerocoin [AERO]    - 7 (1.1%)
Stealthcoin [XST]    - 24 (3.9%)
Synccoin [SYNC]    - 1 (0.2%)
Incognitocoin [IGC]    - 12 (2%)
Keycoin [KEY]    - 14 (2.3%)
Lockcoin [LOCK]    - 13 (2.1%)
Boomcoin [BOOM]    - 10 (1.6%)

There are several new anonymous coins coming every week now. Soon it will be several a day.

Here is a summary of the argument I have been trying to make one last time. Then I will terminate the luigi persona and try to be polite under a different username.

Imagine two coins and decide which is likely to succeed.

Anoncoin 1. The current anoncoin. Tries to emphasize a superior anonymity protocol, as many coins do. Tries to take a conservative approach, not ruffle feathers, as most coins do. Aside from working with monero in a mainstream political way there is nothing at this point that distinguishes anoncoin from any other coin except its history.

Anoncoin 2. A coin that takes aggressive political stances and overtly intends to be used for political purposes. Goes after markets in countries with tight financial restrictions. Top priority is to be used globally in any language, culture etc, rather than seeming to focus on people who hide money for criminal or comfort reasons or most of the other reasons Americans and Europeans most commonly might use an anonymous currency for. Primary focus is financial ethics with no regard or respect for national laws that contradict its goals.

Only one of those two coins would succeed. Anoncoin right now, with no real goals beyond making some money for its holders, is doing exactly the same thing as a hundred other coins. It is digital mediocrity like most coins.

Turning it into a successful coin that will survive only requires the devs and other visible people to decide thats the path the coin will take. Logistics, e.g. "how do you target x country with anoncoin", will be much more easily solved than " how do you beat darkcoin or whatevercoin in the race to a more marketable algorhythm".

Here is a poll on another thread.

What anonymous coin will succeed?
Anoncoin [ANC]    - 10 (1.6%)
Darkcoin [DRK]    - 136 (22.3%)
Fedoracoin [TIPS]    - 4 (0.7%)
Other    - 11 (1.8%)
Bytecoin [BCN]    - 9 (1.5%)
Zerocash    - 4 (0.7%)
Monero [XMR]    - 67 (11%)
HoneyPenny [HP]    - 1 (0.2%)
Libertycoin [XLB]    - 2 (0.3%)
Quazarcoin [QCN]    - 0 (0%)
Fantomcoin [FCN]    - 0 (0%)
Pinkcoin [PC]    - 2 (0.3%)
Cryptcoin [CRYPT]    - 18 (3%)
Orangecoin [OC]    - 0 (0%)
Cinnicoin [CINNI]    - 3 (0.5%)
Vericoin [VRC]    - 10 (1.6%)
BitcoinDark [BTCD]    - 15 (2.5%)
Cloakcoin [CLOAK]    - 111 (18.2%)
XC [XC]    - 64 (10.5%)
VootCoin [VOOT]    - 27 (4.4%)
Vertcoin [VTC]    - 20 (3.3%)
Supercoin [SUPERCOIN]    - 4 (0.7%)
Credits [CRD]    - 2 (0.3%)
MammothCoin [MAMM]    - 3 (0.5%)
Boolberycoin [BBR]    - 5 (0.8%)
Aerocoin [AERO]    - 7 (1.1%)
Stealthcoin [XST]    - 24 (3.9%)
Synccoin [SYNC]    - 1 (0.2%)
Incognitocoin [IGC]    - 12 (2%)
Keycoin [KEY]    - 14 (2.3%)
Lockcoin [LOCK]    - 13 (2.1%)
Boomcoin [BOOM]    - 10 (1.6%)

There are several new anonymous coins coming every week now. Soon it will be several a day.

Here is a summary of the argument I have been trying to make one last time. Then I will terminate the luigi persona and try to be polite under a different username.

Imagine two coins and decide which is likely to succeed.

Anoncoin 1. The current anoncoin. Tries to emphasize a superior anonymity protocol, as many coins do. Tries to take a conservative approach, not ruffle feathers, as most coins do. Aside from working with monero in a mainstream political way there is nothing at this point that distinguishes anoncoin from any other coin except its history.

Anoncoin 2. A coin that takes aggressive political stances and overtly intends to be used for political purposes. Goes after markets in countries with tight financial restrictions. Top priority is to be used globally in any language, culture etc, rather than seeming to focus on people who hide money for criminal or comfort reasons or most of the other reasons Americans and Europeans most commonly might use an anonymous currency for. Primary focus is financial ethics with no regard or respect for national laws that contradict its goals.

Only one of those two coins would succeed. Anoncoin right now, with no real goals beyond making some money for its holders, is doing exactly the same thing as a hundred other coins. It is digital mediocrity like most coins.

Turning it into a successful coin that will survive only requires the devs and other visible people to decide thats the path the coin will take. Logistics, e.g. "how do you target x country with anoncoin", will be much more easily solved than " how do you beat darkcoin or whatevercoin in the race to a more marketable algorhythm".

I'm willing to commit 10,000USD towards building a darknet ANC marketplace/exchange once AnonCoin Implements ZeroCoin

I didn't mean you. Too many people are suggesting though that zerocoin is going to be the best thing about anoncoin. You have been very clear that you are flexible on everything and have a broad view. I meant supporters of anoncoin, darkcoin, monero, bytecoin, etc each say "our coin is best", turning the playing field into a mud bath.



One of the best humble quotes on this forum so far.

Everyone says their own anonymity coin is best. So which is really best? It is safe to say that all of the public anonymity systems, including zerocoin, have many people rushing work on them to put a coin out quickly. Is there something about gnosis or snoncoin that makes its version better than others? There is not. We can argue back and forth, it gets kind of boring though.

Dear meeh and Gnosis:

The value of Anoncoin depends on Zerocoin and I2P rather than  something else,Cryptonote is quite a different set of protocol which differs from bitcoin protocol and it has been implemented by  XMR BBR QCN,etc.To implement Zerocoin is always our top priority.Don't doubt this point,please.
Considering the fierce competition of the Altcoin world,it is necessary for us to finish the task as soon as possible instead of  postponing again and again.ANC community is a powerful group,We have many distinguished members such as lunokhod2 n00n geekz ILoveAnon,,,they do a lot of work for the community.I think we all like your geek spirit,for me, this is the spirit of Liberty.This is the reason I became a member of the community.I believe we will win.COME ON.

Meeh,

Will Anoncoin be moved to the Privacy Solutions Project (http://privacysolutions.no/), just as i2pd and Absconde bundle have? Maybe there is a good reason to keep the two separate.

edit: after reading thru some info about the work you are doing, I will invest in ANONCOIN also. Keep up the good work and , good luck with zerocoin implementation.

Ok, just to be clear, nothing said official/seriously, I'm probably just talking when I should stay quiet. But I was looking into cryptonote yesterday to check out possibilites to move ANC to that codebase with ZC included, under my drunkness late friday night surfing. Who knows if the thought grows or not, but focusing on ZC first of all now.

Ecosystems, including in economics, are not koi ponds. Trying to manipulate an ecosystem into existence is foolish. Better to observe what is happening, what is going to happen by itself, then act.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wu_wei


Agreed. I have respect for people like scala and anoncointeamtwitter who go out on a limb solo. I do have a lot of websites already that I do not work on because of my current situation, i.e., limited electricity, mostly android etc. One more website to not be able to really work on is pointless at the moment. Soon I may get better opportunities.

As for zerocoin, there are a lot of anonymous algorhythms. Each says it is the best. At this point anonymous coins are a dime a dozen and more are being created daily. It would be nice perhaps if zerocoin were the only game in town but reality interferes, it's not. People need to be honest and admit no single algorhythm will be on top for long and depending on an algo to carry a coin longterm is not realistic.

As for the devs wanting to keep the coin apolitical, I have made my case for taking a stand. If you support not taking a stand please state your case, defend your position. The center of a highway leads to a cemetary.



No, that's not what I should do.

At the moment I am presenting a case for taking the coin in a certain direction. If you disagree then please argue points rather than childish silliness about what I should do. Do you disagree with my position? Then say so and explain why instead of trying to pretend to be the adult in the room.

As for utility and features, those things are closely related. Almost every coin has utilities and features, and what it lacks in them it can add easily. I am discussing a separate issue, whether the coin should represent or defend something beyond utilities/features. Its very obvious the developers tried to create some support for the anonymous political theme early on. The question now is whether they are going to retreat and start focusing only on the privacy feature or whether they are going to go with what attracted many people to the coin early on.

Anoncoin has declined sharply in interest since it has moved to bland conservative themes. People need to decide what anoncoin is going to do. If you disagree please do it with opinions or points.

great! sounds like that you could read it due to how it looks? size, font, letter spacing, colors...
its google translate just for this purpose, the translation itself will have to be done in another way

is there anything else we should be aware of? is it better to translate to "simplified chinese" than "traditional chinese"? what are the dirreferences?
or should we say "mandarine"?

Well they started talking about ZC last year, it was first estimated that ZC testnet would be out in March. Then it was estimated that it would be out by mid July. Then it was estimated that it would be out in September. It's natural that people loses faith when deadlines goes by (without any particular explanations as to why). On top of that, zerocash is being developed and is closing in, if zerocash ends up being released before zerocoin I think the spotlight will be on zerocash even though there is a technical differences between them. Everybody is waiting for the zerocoin devs to release a coin so I tend to think ANC will lose its first mover advantage.

And then there has been other developments recently such as the crypto note protocol with currencies like Monero gaining traction. These are already fully functional, anonymous currencies. This is what ANC has to compete with and the longer it takes the less likely it is to succeed.

Anonymity, or the promise of it, is no longer a super feature si ce more and more coins are offering it. Each coin will explain why their anonymity is better than the other guys anonymity. But at the end of the day any new tech can build a better anonymous coin simply by improving the ones that already excist.

In order for a coin to succeed at this point it has to appeal to people on a visceral level. A nice theme about their favorite animal, a catchy name, a naked lady on the wallet, whatever. Then once people move toward the coin and it vets scrutinized it must have the ability to withstand the scrutiny, i.e., good features, ethical devs etc.

One of the strongest themes in the online world, across the globe, has been that of standing up to government corruption, pushing back against predatory law enforcers and militaries, exposing mafia style bureaucrats etc.

Anoncoin should always try to build better algorhythms, improve whatever it can improve, but it would be wise to drop this obsessive bullshit with zerocoin, which few people really care about, and by few I mean very few, and focus on promoting something that a lot of prople really do support. Guy Falkes, generous links to progressive political sites, substance.

Anonymity, or the promise of it, is no longer a super feature si ce more and more coins are offering it. Each coin will explain why their anonymity is better than the other guys anonymity. But at the end of the day any new tech can build a better anonymous coin simply by improving the ones that already excist.

In order for a coin to succeed at this point it has to appeal to people on a visceral level. A nice theme about their favorite animal, a catchy name, a naked lady on the wallet, whatever. Then once people move toward the coin and it vets scrutinized it must have the ability to withstand the scrutiny, i.e., good features, ethical devs etc.

One of the strongest themes in the online world, across the globe, has been that of standing up to government corruption, pushing back against predatory law enforcers and militaries, exposing mafia style bureaucrats etc.

Anoncoin should always try to build better algorhythms, improve whatever it can improve, but it would be wise to drop this obsessive bullshit with zerocoin, which few people really care about, and by few I mean very few, and focus on promoting something that a lot of prople really do support. Guy Falkes, generous links to progressive political sites, substance.

yea, best would be if you know exactly the day and hour when will be the release of zerocoin, so few minutes before you can buy , and sell 24h after..
Who find anonymity in other coin, I suggest him to stay focused on that coin.