Topic: Official Anoncoin chat thread (including history) - page 157. (Read 530660 times)

Awesome!

It is my personal opinion. I can't talk for anybody but myself.

The goal is to implement the best algo, fuck the logo. In ten years nobody will care if the logo is a picture of a cute dog or a guy fuax mask or a fucking gaint A or whatever. The point is build the best product. Fuck anonymous fuck the english alphabet and fuck anybody who says otherwise. Once zercoin is implemented than well all go on a pr blitz and hype the shit out of this coin. Before then lets all hold still and get ready. I dont want to hype this coin right now. It simply doesnt matter wheather the "political appeal" is radical enogh for you or anybody else. the reason the coin is so cheap is because nobody is shilling.
     If you look at the other threads on this forum you see cloakcoin shills and darkcoin shills and xcoin shills but no anoncoin shills. This is because the people that support anoncoin genuinely care about building a great coin not the pump and dump. Zerocoin is an cryptographically sure to be truly anonymous. Thats the only thing that matters right now.
    I'm not saying don't get the word out. I'm saying it is too soon. Once the product is done you can be sure i will personally spam every single thread on this forum. Shit, I'll spam the entire internet if that's what it takes to get the word out. Right now its simply not finished. Now if you want to start building infrastructure thats a decent game plan, if you want to write organizations to get endorsements or acceptance then go for it. but please don't go on about memes and logos and other shit like that, its not what we are about.

Here is my version of the roadmap:

1) Build a truly anonymous Coin (implement zerocoin )
2) build a darknet infrastructure to support it  (hosting, commerce, exchange ect)
2) get people who genuinely care about privacy to use it for anonymous commerce

If people don't care about taking privacy seriously then using this coin is pointless. Bitcoin is going mainstream and regulated into oblivion with AML rules and invasive shit like that. Anoncoin is supposed to be for the people who actually give a fuck and I think it does a great job of giving that impression.

that wasnt much of a summary, im still curious - what do you think should be done?

Although I disagree with no-ice-please latest incarnation regarding the importance of zerocoin, I think he makes a valid point about connecting the coin to anonymous. The political clout that follows should not be underestimated and will sett ANC apart from the rest of the privacy-bunch.

substance? ok here: http://zerocoin.org/media/pdf/ZerocoinOakland.pdf .page 5

"Definition 3.2 (Anonymity):
A decentralized e-cash scheme = (Setup;Mint;Spend;Verify) satisfies the Anonymity requirement if every probabilistic polynomial-time (p.p.t.) adversary A= (A v1 , A v2) has negligible advantage in the following experiment:

(...not sure how to post math symbols...)"

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Compared to the next best thing: https://cryptonote.org/whitepaper.pdf page 17.

"Anonymity Theorem 4.
Our one-time ring signature scheme is anonymous under the decisional Diffie-Hellman assumption in the random oracle model. Proof:
Suppose an adversary can determine the secret index "j" of the Signer with a probability

p = 1/n+ e.

Then, we can construct algorithm A which solves the decisional Diffie-Hellman problem in  E(Fvq) with the probability, 1/2 + e/2."


Which one is more anonymous? Also lunokhod did a great job explaining zerocoin in the anoncoin wiki.  http://wiki.anoncoin.net/zerocoin

Not really.
In CN you make a new ring sig, using the same key image but different (random) data, thats only possible if you own the private key.
Then you can disclose the random number used to create the one time address.

Everone can check that the one time address i send money to can be created using the pubkey and intermediate random number.
Ideally you pack this into a payment protocol outside of the blockchain.

And for Donationaddresses/Charities who need a transparency they can simply publish their viewkey.

There is a thin line between what data has to be hidden and what has to be public in a public ledger based peer to peer electronic currency.  One of the best features of bitcoin is the public ledger. And the ledger allows anyone to see the transaction and the addresses involved. It is certainly very important. It helps in creating systems where multiple users have to verify the transaction without being the owner of it.   It opens doors for creating public organizations etc.

Its not possible by cryptonote.  Only the owner of the privatekey can only view & verify the transaction.   So, i dont think its better.

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First, I look at the ANC like any other coin, like BTC/LTC, but ofc for me it is better and more rare.
Then I see the ANC with the team behind him who enjoys creating safer / anonymous web, software, applications.

If ANC will only have A or GF mask for a logo, it does not matter to me.

Marketing is very important in this "initial" stage. But I do not mind the low price of the ANC right now,
I'm buying every few weeks on new lows , and that is ok for me : )

It is good that meeh is finally start work on ANC/ZC, and helps gnosis who is obviously doesn't have much time.

And Pablo, we need you, but we do not understand you, besides your perfect english  

Yes. Cryptonote offers good privacy (probably the best available today). Bytecoin (the first cryptonote coin), was some sort of scam. Monero (the first CN coin released in a fair manner) is a good coin.

Hi Luigi, I can't clarify what the goals of the developers are, but I see this somewhat differently than you do. To me, Anoncoin is way more hardcore and serious than "Anonymous". Though anonymous does some cool stuff from time to time, there is a lot of immaturity in the group as a whole. Anoncoin actually is proposing a solution to combat the hegemony of the central banks, whereas all that Anonymous has done is to hack their web pages. I am all for freedom of information, so I welcome the attacks that Anonymous has organized, even though they have not really achieved much in the end.

Based on everything the developers have done, it is clear that they have some sympathy with the goals of "anonymous", but that they are also not conforming to the group mentality and stereotypes. If Anoncoin were to define itself only by a logo (i.e., Guy Fawkes mask), that would be pretty sad.

In any case, I agree that there should be some reference to the political leanings of Anoncoin on the new web site. Though not explicit on the current web site, it is implicit. I am working with n00n on this as we speak to make this more explicit, so concrete proposals for the text of the new site would be welcome.

Again, I also disagree with your analysis of pursuit of anonymity. To me, this pursuit is not endless. There is a goal to become anonymous. No coin has achieved anonymity yet, as it makes no sense to be X% anonymous. With Zerocoin and I2P (baring bugs in the code) anoncoin would be truly anonymous.

it would make the search engines happy if all of us added clickable links to https://anoncoin.net and https://wiki.anoncoin.net in our message footer here on bitcointalk.

the best is to make describing keywords like "anoncoin", "anonymous altcoin", "tor cryptocurrency" "anonymous bitcoin alternative" into clickable links, instead of a clickable URL "https://anoncoin.net", like this:


i have a limit of 50 characters in my footer, some people has more characters than that, maybe they are higher ranked than me?
then you can add https://anoncoin.net as your website in the profile settings instead.

its also good to know that search engine crawlers get excited if DOMAIN A links to DOMAIN B that links to DOMAIN C that links back to DOMAIN A. this 3 (or more) domain link circle gives trust and high relevance to the domains as the search engine likes that the domains are existing in a bigger context. much better than "me and my friend" DOMAIN A to B to A.

with this in mind its good to add links to domains that links to anoncoin.net.

PerritoPeron
i like your engagement, although i dont get what you think should be done (not what shoulnt be done). maybe you could sum it up?


i think the dev teams reason to change from the Anonymous logo is that anoncoin is not affiliated with Anonymous, it isnt "their" coin. anoncoin can be used by Anonymous, or your grandmother. with this attitude its misleading to use Anonymous logo.

So is your problem that you bought high and are afraid that you will never get your BTC back out of ANC?  

Better sell now, before your prediction comes true and you lose even more.  

How much ANC do you have and what do you want for them?

I like this idea, like a rotating coin showing both sides with one side being the mask and the reverse could be whatever.

I prefer the mask, didn't understand why it was changed, but never worried about it because the point was to create
a functionally anonymous currency, and  I think the ANC devs are way ahead of the game.

Already we are going with I2P, and after adding zerocoin, ANC will market itself. 

While I don't agree with the guy who seems to think that marketing is everything, I do think that the mask helps with
a certain crowd who is likely to want to use ANC a *lot*.

With the exception of CryptoNote no other anon coin offers even a remote chance at real anonymity.  Nothing but gimmicks.

I'm pretty stunned at how many people are paying big money for CrapCoins for gimmicks like DARK, BitcoinDark, etc...

Couldnt be better (for us or them) if we got supressed activists to start use anoncoin. Maybe you can work on this?

We should point out that anoncoin is made by hacktivists, community, or some better description (opposed to some buisness company) for the economically opressed/hunted/tracked/blocked people... )

Added the much needed feature in ANC blockexplorer's transaction pages.
You can now see number of confirmations of each transactions.
eg:  http://ancblockchain.com/tx/4d1ef4201eeed5edcce9d9a4040e1c5f2f4de562157c0e54860dcadfa9e4aa03

And what you are illustrating is a hunger in the market for the authentic currency with privacy intact.

I don't think the dropping of the mask had anything to do with loss of credibility, in fact I don't perceive any loss in credibility whatsoever.
Just the opposite is true, the devs showed that they don't need to hide behind a marketing gimmick.

As for, "looking to cash in quickly on a fool's grail," I call bullshit.  There is no activity at all toward pump and dump.
Either you have an agenda, have no clue, or are just plain stupid.