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Quote from: madnessteat on November 30, 2021, 01:18:29 PM

Quote from: dimonstration on November 30, 2021, 12:43:24 PM

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Using gambling sites that have their own threads on bitcointalk is an additional factor to minimize the situation when a user is exposed to fraud. The main thing is not to forget to watch the reviews of the account from which the thread is posted.

The only problem is that not all gambling sites allow citizens of my country to play. That's why I never deposit any funds that I am not ready to lose.

Whenever you do make out deposits on various gambling sites even dealing with some legit or known ones then consider those funds to be already lost
as it should be but on the means on playing fair and safe rather than dealing with things which do end up on being fraud or scam.It would be just sensibe that you would really be making out some research first before making such step on depositing and also it isnt really requiring too much
effort for you to do so yet its better to be safe than sorry.

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Quote from: dimonstration on November 30, 2021, 12:43:24 PM

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Using gambling sites that have their own threads on bitcointalk is an additional factor to minimize the situation when a user is exposed to fraud. The main thing is not to forget to watch the reviews of the account from which the thread is posted.

The only problem is that not all gambling sites allow citizens of my country to play. That's why I never deposit any funds that I am not ready to lose.

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Quote from: suzanne5223 on November 30, 2021, 12:23:13 PM

Yes, some casinos pretended to be a good gambling site and later scammed their users but understand that "a clever arrangement of bad eggs will never make a good omelet" which there will still be an open back door that will show there's something fishy about the gambling site that's if make adequate research before using the casino.

That’s why it’s not advisable to left money in your account when you do gambling. It can be done for the trusted one’s but not on the casino we barely know or unheard. I prefers to visit only sites that are popular here in forum or if I see some casino ads somewhere its a must to check here whether they have pending problems or scam accusation. This forum can really help in terms of choosing casino as well detecting casinos issues that may not be able to resolve even there is a gambling court assigned in a country for crypto.

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Quote from: btc78 on November 30, 2021, 02:25:30 AM

I Have been thinking of this as well because there are casinos that faking the starting of their advertising , pretending to be legit and most trusted but sooner will end up being scam.
actually there are still advertising now but a total scam inside.
in their own thread multiple or dozens of posts from victims yet continues to advertised here and pretending there is nothing going on.
so Court should be in the move but the problem is how and what is the resources for this to get in action .

Yes, some casinos pretended to be a good gambling site and later scammed their users but understand that "a clever arrangement of bad eggs will never make a good omelet" which there will still be an open back door that will show there's something fishy about the gambling site that's if make adequate research before using the casino.

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I wonder how many responsible courts/judges will be able to stand to judge such cases. It would seem like they are promoting gambling. I think the good ones will most likely find Betting Court more appealing or appropriate.

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Quote from: chaser15 on November 29, 2021, 06:46:33 PM

Quote from: Fatunad on November 29, 2021, 05:05:36 PM

So there would be no other options or something for you to be done as a user who get victimized which is really unfortunate since you wouldnt really be having any options but to move on which its not really bad on having some online court or something but just like on what others been saying or claiming then this is something a bit complicated on arranging thing because we do actually have some several division in concern with online frauds.

Unfortunately yes, there's no option if the user got a victim. That's why as others also said, don't play in a gambling site that is not trustworthy and just select those legitimate. I'm surprised that sometimes, I will see a user here that will post they got scammed but when we check the site they are complaining at, we don't know how the hell they discovered that site that's not even mentioned even once here in the forum.

and we had so many in this forum , never engaged in gambling site that is just newly promoted , let them stablished their site first before dealing.
Mostly those legit are being advertised here , specially those who we are wearing lol.
it takes years before gaining this reputation so yes some are more longer some are just years but the response of the players is proven to be legitimate and trustworthy .

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Quote from: Fatunad on November 29, 2021, 05:05:36 PM

So there would be no other options or something for you to be done as a user who get victimized which is really unfortunate since you wouldnt really be having any options but to move on which its not really bad on having some online court or something but just like on what others been saying or claiming then this is something a bit complicated on arranging thing because we do actually have some several division in concern with online frauds.

Unfortunately yes, there's no option if the user got a victim. That's why as others also said, don't play in a gambling site that is not trustworthy and just select those legitimate. I'm surprised that sometimes, I will see a user here that will post they got scammed but when we check the site they are complaining at, we don't know how the hell they discovered that site that's not even mentioned even once here in the forum.

maybe they got an invitation from their email, social media ads or their friends to join the gambling site because we know it's impossible for someone to know the gambling site by themselves. i tried to refuse many gambling sites that even called me to join their site even via telephone. Be careful before making a deposit, all gambling players must do it if they don't want bad luck, their money can't be withdrawn.

Those people see the advertisement about gambling from many websites, especially on their social media, which makes them curious about the website and visit it someday. Once they feel exciting playing gambling, they will search for other gambling websites and continue playing gambling. But unfortunately, they do not research furthermore about the reputations and other things so many of them are getting a scam from the website. Once they get a scam, it will be difficult to search for justice because the site will check everything and ensure they do not abuse the system. But the reputable gambling site will refund the money to the member.

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Quote from: suzanne5223 on November 28, 2021, 01:37:28 PM

Yes, the OP intention was for a good purpose but when the decentralization of cryptocurrency comes to play it's not acceptable to turn crypto gambling into a government-owned operation that will serve as an online gambling court.
The gambler should do sufficient research about a gambling site before using it.

It's not completely anonymous or decentralized because most casinos now that are operating are registered, which means the regulators know the owners of the site and they can go after them if they break the terms in the license issued to them. Therefore, it's still helpful if the government will intervene to protect gamblers from scam gambling sites.

Most governments around the world have strict regulations on gambling and that is the. A major reason why most of the gambling sites will prefer to stay anonymous in other to avert the policy that government will bring against them.

But the main reason why they are hiding is not totally the government policy but the chance of becoming scammer in the future, after gaining many players and supporters then they will attack the players by holding or banning their accounts when withdrawal takes place .
we have seen so many casino in the past and until not that has this attitude.
i will not mention one but it is obvious if we will go through scam accusation board and even in gambling section in which the victims continues crying in their respective ANN thread .

I Have been thinking of this as well because there are casinos that faking the starting of their advertising , pretending to be legit and most trusted but sooner will end up being scam.
actually there are still advertising now but a total scam inside.
in their own thread multiple or dozens of posts from victims yet continues to advertised here and pretending there is nothing going on.
so Court should be in the move but the problem is how and what is the resources for this to get in action .

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Your rights are undeniable and if a casino is violating your rights under the concept of a ToS, you should file a lawsuit but as some post above explains, suing a casino for 4 figures is not profitable.

And in general, even in other figures, it is still not available to everyone, but regardless of whether the casino is online or in person to exercise our right to demand a special court is not necessary, just look for a lawyer and proceed.

The lawsuits certainly not only come from the players if it is the case comes from the casinos against the players, the reason a lot of money between the parties, as said is the key, so sometimes the question is also to defend themselves.

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The casino claimed he had racked up the debt during a St Patrick’s Day weekend gambling spree in 2017.

It’s not clear what caused Mohegan Sun to withdraw its lawsuit or whether a settlement has been reached. Melnyk vigorously contested the case.

^{Source:https://www.casino.org/news/mohegan-sun-pulls-bank-draft-lawsuit-vs-ottawa-senators-melnyk/}

Another case but this time it is the player against the casino:

Poker Pro Sues Atlantic City Casino For $1.25 Million Over Lifetime Ban

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Scott Robbins Filed The Suit Against Borgata After The Property Banned Him For Life Over Suicide Jokes He Made While Checking In

^{Source:https://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news/26079-poker-pro-sues-atlantic-city-casino-for-1-25-million-over-lifetime-ban}

Then having claims in amounts of only thousands of dollars, sometimes even only a few hundred, the reputation of a casino can be affected, so all is not lost if the case presented is honest, spaces like the one offered by the forum sometimes help expose these arbitrariness or "misunderstandings".

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Quote from: chaser15 on November 29, 2021, 06:46:33 PM

Quote from: Fatunad on November 29, 2021, 05:05:36 PM

So there would be no other options or something for you to be done as a user who get victimized which is really unfortunate since you wouldnt really be having any options but to move on which its not really bad on having some online court or something but just like on what others been saying or claiming then this is something a bit complicated on arranging thing because we do actually have some several division in concern with online frauds.

Unfortunately yes, there's no option if the user got a victim. That's why as others also said, don't play in a gambling site that is not trustworthy and just select those legitimate. I'm surprised that sometimes, I will see a user here that will post they got scammed but when we check the site they are complaining at, we don't know how the hell they discovered that site that's not even mentioned even once here in the forum.

maybe they got an invitation from their email, social media ads or their friends to join the gambling site because we know it's impossible for someone to know the gambling site by themselves. i tried to refuse many gambling sites that even called me to join their site even via telephone. Be careful before making a deposit, all gambling players must do it if they don't want bad luck, their money can't be withdrawn.

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Quote from: Fatunad on November 29, 2021, 05:05:36 PM

So there would be no other options or something for you to be done as a user who get victimized which is really unfortunate since you wouldnt really be having any options but to move on which its not really bad on having some online court or something but just like on what others been saying or claiming then this is something a bit complicated on arranging thing because we do actually have some several division in concern with online frauds.

Unfortunately yes, there's no option if the user got a victim. That's why as others also said, don't play in a gambling site that is not trustworthy and just select those legitimate. I'm surprised that sometimes, I will see a user here that will post they got scammed but when we check the site they are complaining at, we don't know how the hell they discovered that site that's not even mentioned even once here in the forum.

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Quote from: RILWAN on November 28, 2021, 03:53:36 PM

Most governments around the world have strict regulations on gambling and that is the. A major reason why most of the gambling sites will prefer to stay anonymous in other to avert the policy that government will bring against them.

It's not about being anonymous, most of the good casinos actually have their identity and they're registered somewhere. So if you're someone who likes to play with those casinos that are still staying to be anonymous, you should stay with the others that have their reputation and don't cover anything because they're registered. If the governments are strict then that's even a reason to be registered for them and not to stay anonymous because it's part of protecting their business.

Well I agree with your point here, anonymous gambling casinos and don't have a license will most likely make fraud someday because they are not regulated in any by the government, so they are free of what they are going to do because no one watching them --is this want they want?
gambling casino that has a license + regulated by the government are usually fearful of committing fraud because they know that they can hunt down once they have shady activities.

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Quote from: madnessteat on November 29, 2021, 03:08:33 PM

Quote from: Fatunad on November 29, 2021, 02:59:37 PM

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I understand very well how the Default Trust system works. If there is enough evidence on the forum that the platform is engaged in fraud, then its forum account will get negative feedback, which will significantly reduce attendance. This works as opposed to litigation when the platform is out of the jurisdiction of the defrauded user or their country has no laws regulating cryptocurrency activity.

So there would be no other options or something for you to be done as a user who get victimized which is really unfortunate since you wouldnt really be having any options but to move on which its not really bad on having some online court or something but just like on what others been saying or claiming then this is something a bit complicated
on arranging thing because we do actually have some several division in concern with online frauds.

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Quote from: qwertyup23 on November 29, 2021, 08:09:28 AM

Quote from: timerland on November 29, 2021, 04:16:26 AM

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Not only the costs of regulation would be the problem but the jurisdiction of these courts must be adhered by the parties in question. Like what I previously mentioned, the power of these courts can only be recognized if countries signed to be bound as such. If a country ignores this, then this would render its effect somehow useless.

Like what was also mentioned, this is a noble idea in which it contained pure and innocent intentions but the implementation of this is just impossible for the time being. I just hope that there would be another solution which can be compromised from this idea.

Yeah, exactly.

The intentions are great but pragmatically this is never going to happen.

I recall that there was a thing called the Crypto Gambling Foundation before that tried to serve as an arbitrator, but I think that their site doesn't work now. Anyone know what happened to them?

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Quote from: RILWAN on November 28, 2021, 03:53:36 PM

Most governments around the world have strict regulations on gambling and that is the. A major reason why most of the gambling sites will prefer to stay anonymous in other to avert the policy that government will bring against them.

It's not about being anonymous, most of the good casinos actually have their identity and they're registered somewhere. So if you're someone who likes to play with those casinos that are still staying to be anonymous, you should stay with the others that have their reputation and don't cover anything because they're registered. If the governments are strict then that's even a reason to be registered for them and not to stay anonymous because it's part of protecting their business.

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Online casino gambling courts are also unlikely to be the solution. It would be very difficult and limited access to conduct physical investigations. In addition to limited legal jurisdiction, of course the listed rules that have been mutually agreed upon between the casino and gamblers are agreements that have been accepted by both parties from the start. especially the gamblers who are prepared for the risks they accept. No court would accept an offer like this just the case couldn't be proven if the casinos themselves had more courts they paid to get operations running under government protection.

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Quote from: Cryptock on November 28, 2021, 10:54:36 AM

At the moment it is possible to play in crypto casinos anonymously as cryptocurrencies have not yet been recognized as money. When this happens, they will all have to be regulated, and then they will automatically fall under the laws of the country where they are registered. In my opinion, this is what will happen (sooner or later).

Regulation will somewhat happen into those particular platforms but having as a whole then i dont see for it to be that to be applied in upcoming future.

This anonymous market would really be having that hard thing on tracing up everything which wouldnt really be that relevant into this manner.

But having considerations for each platform to be regulated and known before they could make out some service then its good but it cant be avoided
that there would be some out of the radar.

Certainly some casinos remain anonymous, but I think that over time most of them will have to be regulated by the countries in which they are registered.
Then everyone (actually now too) will have a choice as to whether they want to do KYC verification and play safely while protected by the law, or play anonymously, but have the risk that the casino is not fair.

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Quote from: Fatunad on November 29, 2021, 02:59:37 PM

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I understand very well how the Default Trust system works. If there is enough evidence on the forum that the platform is engaged in fraud, then its forum account will get negative feedback, which will significantly reduce attendance. This works as opposed to litigation when the platform is out of the jurisdiction of the defrauded user or their country has no laws regulating cryptocurrency activity.

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Quote from: madnessteat on November 29, 2021, 11:32:31 AM

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Quote from: mu_enrico on November 25, 2021, 08:56:41 AM

The problem is casino preys mostly small time gamblers, and this kind of people don't have money to pay attorney and stuff. Let's say they have been scammed $10k but have to pay legal fees of $100k knowing they can still lose the case and have to pay casino's legal fees. The only feasible scenario is via class action lawsuit, but that needs lots of people getting scammed (not selective scamming). Also, different jurisdiction is a problem as well.

Thus, most of the time, we can only rely on the "community action," and bitcointalk is a good place to solve this issue (in a limited way). I've been here for like 3 years and see many issues resolved by the action of the community.

This is the correct answer, people underestimate how expensive a lawsuit can become and it is obvious that almost any casino can get better lawyers than what the player can hire, so it is going to be very difficult to win the demand, and even if you do, the costs are going to be greater than what you get out of it, so doing something like what the creator of the thread suggest is simply not a good idea even if such a court could be created, something that I sincerely doubt.

The forum community can only influence those gambling sites that have a thread of announcements on this forum. Most of the casinos that engage in scams do not have their threads here so they are not afraid to lose their reputation. Of course there are many forums gambling theme which also publishes warning information about scams but not all of us pay due attention.

Having ANN threads doesnt automatically means that the site is legit but somehow the community could able to to identify or notice it out if a particular gambling site is a potential scam or a legit one thats why its really good to look on community feedback first and i dont really see this to be a big or major problem yet it doesnt really cost an arm and leg for you to find out these valuable infos.
As a gambler then we should really be responsible on doing that because we dont able to get scammed if you are aware of everything.

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Quote from: Silberman on November 29, 2021, 10:59:08 AM

Quote from: mu_enrico on November 25, 2021, 08:56:41 AM

The problem is casino preys mostly small time gamblers, and this kind of people don't have money to pay attorney and stuff. Let's say they have been scammed $10k but have to pay legal fees of $100k knowing they can still lose the case and have to pay casino's legal fees. The only feasible scenario is via class action lawsuit, but that needs lots of people getting scammed (not selective scamming). Also, different jurisdiction is a problem as well.

Thus, most of the time, we can only rely on the "community action," and bitcointalk is a good place to solve this issue (in a limited way). I've been here for like 3 years and see many issues resolved by the action of the community.

This is the correct answer, people underestimate how expensive a lawsuit can become and it is obvious that almost any casino can get better lawyers than what the player can hire, so it is going to be very difficult to win the demand, and even if you do, the costs are going to be greater than what you get out of it, so doing something like what the creator of the thread suggest is simply not a good idea even if such a court could be created, something that I sincerely doubt.

The forum community can only influence those gambling sites that have a thread of announcements on this forum. Most of the casinos that engage in scams do not have their threads here so they are not afraid to lose their reputation. Of course there are many forums gambling theme which also publishes warning information about scams but not all of us pay due attention.

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