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Quote from: Fredomago on November 29, 2021, 04:25:13 AM

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Quote from: suzanne5223 on November 28, 2021, 01:37:28 PM

Yes, the OP intention was for a good purpose but when the decentralization of cryptocurrency comes to play it's not acceptable to turn crypto gambling into a government-owned operation that will serve as an online gambling court.
The gambler should do sufficient research about a gambling site before using it.

It's not completely anonymous or decentralized because most casinos now that are operating are registered, which means the regulators know the owners of the site and they can go after them if they break the terms in the license issued to them. Therefore, it's still helpful if the government will intervene to protect gamblers from scam gambling sites.

Most governments around the world have strict regulations on gambling and that is the. A major reason why most of the gambling sites will prefer to stay anonymous in other to avert the policy that government will bring against them.

But the main reason why they are hiding is not totally the government policy but the chance of becoming scammer in the future, after gaining many players and supporters then they will attack the players by holding or banning their accounts when withdrawal takes place .
we have seen so many casino in the past and until not that has this attitude.
i will not mention one but it is obvious if we will go through scam accusation board and even in gambling section in which the victims continues crying in their respective ANN thread .

@stadus You need to understand that everything that has an advantage will also have disadvantages. What you said against what cryptocurrency introduced and the last time I checked askgamblers has handled a lot of crypto gambling issue that has to do with payment. But in a situation when users need to be conscious, it is better to go for a reputable casino we have on this forum.

@Fredomago only some of the newbies won't understand that some casinos have gone from good to bad but the major reason why some casino hide their identity was not the intention of scamming their users though it is not possible there won't be some casino who will abuse the decentralization and anonymity benefit.

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Quote from: mu_enrico on November 25, 2021, 08:56:41 AM

The problem is casino preys mostly small time gamblers, and this kind of people don't have money to pay attorney and stuff. Let's say they have been scammed $10k but have to pay legal fees of $100k knowing they can still lose the case and have to pay casino's legal fees. The only feasible scenario is via class action lawsuit, but that needs lots of people getting scammed (not selective scamming). Also, different jurisdiction is a problem as well.

Thus, most of the time, we can only rely on the "community action," and bitcointalk is a good place to solve this issue (in a limited way). I've been here for like 3 years and see many issues resolved by the action of the community.

This is the correct answer, people underestimate how expensive a lawsuit can become and it is obvious that almost any casino can get better lawyers than what the player can hire, so it is going to be very difficult to win the demand, and even if you do, the costs are going to be greater than what you get out of it, so doing something like what the creator of the thread suggest is simply not a good idea even if such a court could be created, something that I sincerely doubt.

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Quote from: ChiBitCTy on November 28, 2021, 07:41:35 PM

Certainly a noble suggestion but I’m not sure anything like this could actually be set up. I feel they are currently ran the way they are, overall, in a way that benefits each outlet to the extent of the law that benefits all parties. I’m not sure if what I’m trying to get across makes sense here, but I just don’t see enough stink being able to be put up to make change happening.

Agreed.

Certainly not feasible as a long term solution.

It takes money and resources to keep a court up and running and it requires all the major operators to buy into this thing. Otherwise, it's just going to look like a foolish exercise given that no one will respect its decisions.

Not only the costs of regulation would be the problem but the jurisdiction of these courts must be adhered by the parties in question. Like what I previously mentioned, the power of these courts can only be recognized if countries signed to be bound as such. If a country ignores this, then this would render its effect somehow useless.

Like what was also mentioned, this is a noble idea in which it contained pure and innocent intentions but the implementation of this is just impossible for the time being. I just hope that there would be another solution which can be compromised from this idea.

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Quote from: RILWAN on November 28, 2021, 03:53:36 PM

Quote from: stadus on November 28, 2021, 03:21:00 PM

Quote from: suzanne5223 on November 28, 2021, 01:37:28 PM

Yes, the OP intention was for a good purpose but when the decentralization of cryptocurrency comes to play it's not acceptable to turn crypto gambling into a government-owned operation that will serve as an online gambling court.
The gambler should do sufficient research about a gambling site before using it.

It's not completely anonymous or decentralized because most casinos now that are operating are registered, which means the regulators know the owners of the site and they can go after them if they break the terms in the license issued to them. Therefore, it's still helpful if the government will intervene to protect gamblers from scam gambling sites.

Most governments around the world have strict regulations on gambling and that is the. A major reason why most of the gambling sites will prefer to stay anonymous in other to avert the policy that government will bring against them.

But the main reason why they are hiding is not totally the government policy but the chance of becoming scammer in the future, after gaining many players and supporters then they will attack the players by holding or banning their accounts when withdrawal takes place .
we have seen so many casino in the past and until not that has this attitude.
i will not mention one but it is obvious if we will go through scam accusation board and even in gambling section in which the victims continues crying in their respective ANN thread .

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Quote from: ChiBitCTy on November 28, 2021, 07:41:35 PM

Certainly a noble suggestion but I’m not sure anything like this could actually be set up. I feel they are currently ran the way they are, overall, in a way that benefits each outlet to the extent of the law that benefits all parties. I’m not sure if what I’m trying to get across makes sense here, but I just don’t see enough stink being able to be put up to make change happening.

Agreed.

Certainly not feasible as a long term solution.

It takes money and resources to keep a court up and running and it requires all the major operators to buy into this thing. Otherwise, it's just going to look like a foolish exercise given that no one will respect its decisions.

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Quote from: Smartprofit on November 29, 2021, 01:01:08 AM

In my opinion, it is not online arbitration that is very useful, but a professional self-regulatory organization.

Such non-profit organizations are created in various fields of professional activity. For example, in the construction industry, in the field of auditing, in the field of insurance, etc.

Online casinos can also create such a self-regulatory professional organization. Who but online casinos are experts in the field of gambling? There is a need to resolve disputes between gamblers and casinos. This suggests that there is a need to develop professional industry standards. There is also a need to enforce compliance with these standards.

This can be done by self-regulatory professional organizations.

Such an organization can also perform the functions of an arbitral tribunal.

The said organization needs to be approved by the various countries and each of their actions and activities should be as transparent as possible. Only then would it function as a proper one that could manage and be the middle man between users and the industry that they are handling. Then again, I hardly doubt it could happen, especially when it comes to gambling. Many countries have varying views about gambling, after all, and having a central organization that manages them would probably have a lot of conflicts.

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Quote from: RILWAN on November 25, 2021, 04:05:54 AM

There have been so many accusations and counter-accusations on the subject matter of fraud so many players have come out with evidence of scams against some sites while the operator of those sites come up with counter-accusations that players violated their T&C.
I think it will be proper if an online accredited court is set up to judge such cases, rather than leaving them uncensored.

In my opinion, it is not online arbitration that is very useful, but a professional self-regulatory organization.

Such non-profit organizations are created in various fields of professional activity. For example, in the construction industry, in the field of auditing, in the field of insurance, etc.

Online casinos can also create such a self-regulatory professional organization. Who but online casinos are experts in the field of gambling? There is a need to resolve disputes between gamblers and casinos. This suggests that there is a need to develop professional industry standards. There is also a need to enforce compliance with these standards.

This can be done by self-regulatory professional organizations.

Such an organization can also perform the functions of an arbitral tribunal.

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Quote from: ChiBitCTy on November 28, 2021, 07:41:35 PM

Certainly a noble suggestion but I’m not sure anything like this could actually be set up. I feel they are currently ran the way they are, overall, in a way that benefits each outlet to the extent of the law that benefits all parties. I’m not sure if what I’m trying to get across makes sense here, but I just don’t see enough stink being able to be put up to make change happening.

This wont happen especially if not all companies agrees on the terms and since cryptocurrency is still not legal, many countries wont participate on this if ever, there will be no international court to discuss this matter, its impossible for now. Well, if regulatory body will be created in the future that will be supported by many countries, I'm sure crypto gambling can also be included on their scope of regulation but this wont happen not until they recognize crypto as a legal tender.

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Certainly a noble suggestion but I’m not sure anything like this could actually be set up. I feel they are currently ran the way they are, overall, in a way that benefits each outlet to the extent of the law that benefits all parties. I’m not sure if what I’m trying to get across makes sense here, but I just don’t see enough stink being able to be put up to make change happening.

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Quote from: Cryptock on November 28, 2021, 10:54:36 AM

At the moment it is possible to play in crypto casinos anonymously as cryptocurrencies have not yet been recognized as money. When this happens, they will all have to be regulated, and then they will automatically fall under the laws of the country where they are registered. In my opinion, this is what will happen (sooner or later).

The government can apply regulation in crypto casinos, but not all of the casinos will get regulated. In this matter, there is a chance to decentralized casinos that will still be a place for anonymous gamblers who play gambling without verification. Actually, it is a chance for decentralized casinos to always be online in the middle of the regulations from the government because they do not have to follow the rule to ask their members to do KYC. Well, their members can verify KYC but only for the player who wins so much money and the casino will not ask KYC for players who win below their limit.

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Quote from: suzanne5223 on November 28, 2021, 01:37:28 PM

Yes, the OP intention was for a good purpose but when the decentralization of cryptocurrency comes to play it's not acceptable to turn crypto gambling into a government-owned operation that will serve as an online gambling court.
The gambler should do sufficient research about a gambling site before using it.

It's not completely anonymous or decentralized because most casinos now that are operating are registered, which means the regulators know the owners of the site and they can go after them if they break the terms in the license issued to them. Therefore, it's still helpful if the government will intervene to protect gamblers from scam gambling sites.

Most governments around the world have strict regulations on gambling and that is the. A major reason why most of the gambling sites will prefer to stay anonymous in other to avert the policy that government will bring against them.

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Quote from: suzanne5223 on November 28, 2021, 01:37:28 PM

Yes, the OP intention was for a good purpose but when the decentralization of cryptocurrency comes to play it's not acceptable to turn crypto gambling into a government owned operation that will serve as an online gambling court.
The gambler should do sufficient research about a gambling site before using it.

It's not completely anonymous or decentralized because most casinos now that are operating are registered, which means the regulators know the owners of the site and they can go after them if they break the terms in the license issued to them. Therefore, it's still helpful if the government will intervene to protect gamblers from scam gambling sites.

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Quote from: suzanne5223 on November 28, 2021, 01:37:28 PM

the OP intention was for a good purpose but when the decentralization of cryptocurrency comes to play it's not acceptable to turn crypto gambling into a government owned operation that will serve as an online gambling court.
The gambler should do sufficient research about a gambling site before using it.

I do not think what you are using for your gambling is a concern here. If a casino is licensed and binding to a law of governments then they are answerable regardless of your payment method: it could be fiat or crypto or anything; still casino must clear their stand by proving their no involvement of any malfunctioning or any of breaching of mutually agreed terms and conditions.

I agree that we must go for only reputed gambling sites to play to avoid all kind of fraudulent activities. But, if you notice only gamblers are trying to scam online casinos compared to cases of scammy houses (I may be wrong but usually online casinos are more prone to be misused by its gamblers itself).

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Quote from: Fredomago on November 27, 2021, 11:05:31 PM

Quote from: suzanne5223 on November 27, 2021, 05:39:20 PM

I don't know if it's just me but I have a reason to believe you create this thread because of some accusation raised about the casino you advertise.

No he will not put fire in His own House , because if there is someone who wanted their company to get burned it is not Him.

that's why i see no reason for Him to ask this court because surely His company will be the first to suffer.

I know he won't dare to put fire on his own house but I was talking about him trying to find solutions to the casino accusation.

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Quote from: suzanne5223 on November 27, 2021, 05:39:20 PM

I don't know if it's just me but I have a reason to believe you create this thread because of some accusation raised about the casino you advertise. Meanwhile, I don't think there's a need for an online gambling court if casinos offer honest services, and the last time I checked Askgambler did something like this but I think for the casino that's listed on their platform.

We truly understand OP's intention. It will serve a good purpose only if things are all easy. But the said proposal is like turning the crypto-gambling into government-owned operations since it's now handling a legal case. We need the cooperation of the government for that to become possible.

Next time, OP needs to be careful when choosing a good platform to avoid those bad and worst experiences in the future. Choose from truly reputable sites as low chance that these sites will be turned into a scam in exchange for the reputation they build for several years. It's hard to attain trust from most users. It's not a thing they can throw away easily.

Yes, the OP intention was for a good purpose but when the decentralization of cryptocurrency comes to play it's not acceptable to turn crypto gambling into a government owned operation that will serve as an online gambling court.
The gambler should do sufficient research about a gambling site before using it.

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Meanwhile, I don't think there's a need for an online gambling court if casinos offer honest services, and the last time I checked Askgambler did something like this but I think for the casino that's listed on their platform.

If all casino are having Honest service because if does then this kind of thread need nothing to pop out.

If all people were honest and good, then there would be no need for the police and the courts.

Unfortunately, in the case of online casinos, I do not see the possibility of an online court in the near future.
I think that the solution will be done in a classic way, through legal regulations in the places where the casino is registered and eliminating those that will not comply.

Maybe they can implement the fiat online gambling with the help from the local regulations but I am not sure if they can do that for the online crypto gambling that does not require KYC, which all people are playing gambling anonymously. That will not be easy knowing who is behind on that account in the casino and the casino owner will not come out to the public. So online casino courts will not be easy to implement soon because that will cross the border between two country regulations.

At the moment it is possible to play in crypto casinos anonymously as cryptocurrencies have not yet been recognized as money. When this happens, they will all have to be regulated, and then they will automatically fall under the laws of the country where they are registered. In my opinion, this is what will happen (sooner or later).

Regulation will somewhat happen into those particular platforms but having as a whole then i dont see for it to be that to be applied in upcoming future.

This anonymous market would really be having that hard thing on tracing up everything which wouldnt really be that relevant into this manner.

But having considerations for each platform to be regulated and known before they could make out some service then its good but it cant be avoided
that there would be some out of the radar.

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Meanwhile, I don't think there's a need for an online gambling court if casinos offer honest services, and the last time I checked Askgambler did something like this but I think for the casino that's listed on their platform.

If all casino are having Honest service because if does then this kind of thread need nothing to pop out.

If all people were honest and good, then there would be no need for the police and the courts.

Unfortunately, in the case of online casinos, I do not see the possibility of an online court in the near future.
I think that the solution will be done in a classic way, through legal regulations in the places where the casino is registered and eliminating those that will not comply.

Maybe they can implement the fiat online gambling with the help from the local regulations but I am not sure if they can do that for the online crypto gambling that does not require KYC, which all people are playing gambling anonymously. That will not be easy knowing who is behind on that account in the casino and the casino owner will not come out to the public. So online casino courts will not be easy to implement soon because that will cross the border between two country regulations.

At the moment it is possible to play in crypto casinos anonymously as cryptocurrencies have not yet been recognized as money. When this happens, they will all have to be regulated, and then they will automatically fall under the laws of the country where they are registered. In my opinion, this is what will happen (sooner or later).

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It may be that simple to think but it requires a lot of works and people to totally make it work especially in the internet. A cybercrime may contribute to what should the court would do but this will need a lot of work. Online gambling is everywhere and who's gonna handle each complaints?

I'm sure there are thousands of complaints for a certain online gambling sites but I think it's no different from creating a ticket to ask the support of a certain casino. I highly doubt someone would just make it happen or just let it go and slide since it's a very complicated situation.

That' is what I am thinking too it won't be easy for something like this to take place. I think no need for a gambling court, some other things can be think of to do than court.

Having an designated international court to handle all online gambling complaints is tremendously difficult due to the compliance of these countries to such regulation.

For example, the International Court of Justice (ICJ, in short) was established to handle complaints in countries who are affected of increasingly high crime rates. Unfortunately, even with the existence of this court, there are still countries who do not recognize their judgement as binding to their countries. Another example would be the United Nations.

Even if some countries do an act which is prohibited by the UN according to its charter, the only regulation that the latter can do is the limiting of their trades (which is what happened in North Korea). But other than that, they cannot totally compel a country to follow their laws.

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There have been so many accusations and counter-accusations on the subject matter of fraud so many players have come out with evidence of scams against some sites while the operator of those sites come up with counter-accusations that players violated their T&C.
I think it will be proper if an online accredited court is set up to judge such cases, rather than leaving them uncensored.

I believe you are in the right community when it comes to concerns about fraud gambling websites.
You wouldn't want to pay thousand of dollars to pay for an online court to investigate your case and that could potentially become one-sided.
This forum has been very effective for resolving cases of scams or fraud. If the gambling website has a bad reputation in this community, most probably it won't come out as most recommended gambling site for everyone.

In most of the cases it is the user that raises the accusation against the gambling site and most of the times it is the user who is at fault.
I have seen cases where the gambling site was proven guilty but it just gets added to the scam list of sites.
While it does help in preventing more users getting scammed but that particular user doesn't recover from his losses.
I haven't seen any user getting their funds back in such cases where the forum has concluded scam accusation cases.

I just wish most times that a closer look at some accusations made by the complaints be looked into closely before tagging a site a scam gambling sites because as @pawanjain stated gamblers sometimes are at fault and want to pour out their frustration on the gambling site. But the fear now is most of this sites operate without license and gamblers find their side of the story unrealistic

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Quote from: RILWAN on November 25, 2021, 04:05:54 AM

There have been so many accusations and counter-accusations on the subject matter of fraud so many players have come out with evidence of scams against some sites while the operator of those sites come up with counter-accusations that players violated their T&C.
I think it will be proper if an online accredited court is set up to judge such cases, rather than leaving them uncensored.

I believe you are in the right community when it comes to concerns about fraud gambling websites.
You wouldn't want to pay thousand of dollars to pay for an online court to investigate your case and that could potentially become one-sided.
This forum has been very effective for resolving cases of scams or fraud. If the gambling website has a bad reputation in this community, most probably it won't come out as most recommended gambling site for everyone.

In most of the cases it is the user that raises the accusation against the gambling site and most of the times it is the user who is at fault.
I have seen cases where the gambling site was proven guilty but it just gets added to the scam list of sites.
While it does help in preventing more users getting scammed but that particular user doesn't recover from his losses.
I haven't seen any user getting their funds back in such cases where the forum has concluded scam accusation cases.

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Quote from: RILWAN on November 25, 2021, 04:05:54 AM

There have been so many accusations and counter-accusations on the subject matter of fraud so many players have come out with evidence of scams against some sites while the operator of those sites come up with counter-accusations that players violated their T&C.
I think it will be proper if an online accredited court is set up to judge such cases, rather than leaving them uncensored.

A court is a legal mechanism set up that can enforce laws within a certain jurisdiction. As there are over 250 countries around the world with different laws, what you are suggesting is almost impossible to govern and agreement will never be reached in the way that you want. It might be illegal to play the lottery in one country, but is completely acceptable in many others, if a player from a country where it was illegal felt someone was wrong with the lottery then how would they dispute it? They weren't even meant to be playing in the first place. There are so many legal mismatches and complications that it is completely unrealistic, besides that it would in most cases be a complete waste of money - the figures in dispute are often at such a low amount it would not be worth the resources to pursue a case. Any people who are disputing large amounts are able to do it between countries, it just costs them a lot of money to do so and is also probably not worth it.

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