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Quote from: Peanutswar on November 26, 2021, 09:18:08 PM

There are only two reasons with it it's the part of the mistakes of the player because they didn't even read those permission, terms and rules of the platform

What OP pointing out is that, even a player didn't violate any, the site will counter that the player violated one of the terms. I understand OP on that part as that was unprofessional and users don't have any choice to do. It eventually leads to OP that there should be an authority that will handle it.

However, since crypto gambling was mostly preferred by others because of anonymity, it's somehow irrelevant to hope for an authority that will handle the case in a decentralized world.

Quote from: Coin_trader on November 26, 2021, 09:05:34 PM

We are talking about casino here which is regulated by gambling regulatory board thru providing license to operate. Crypto is really anonymous as currency but it was use on a regulated service so it means that you are not anonymous anymore.

For now, there are still lots of regulated crypto gambling site that's not forcing their users to provide KYC. The majority is still anonymous. Even with that setup, there's still a question on how that main authority to be built. Let's say all crypto-gambling sites are now KYC mandated, in the event that users wants to report them for any fraudulent activities, does any government body can pressure those regulated gambling sites?

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Quote from: RILWAN on November 25, 2021, 04:05:54 AM

There have been so many accusations and counter-accusations on the subject matter of fraud so many players have come out with evidence of scams against some sites while the operator of those sites come up with counter-accusations that players violated their T&C.
I think it will be proper if an online accredited court is set up to judge such cases, rather than leaving them uncensored.

I'm pretty sure you could bring them up in the court itself, so there's no need to set up an online one though afaik it's limited to where the casino is located or the country it's registered at. That's why licensed casinos are preferred more since they ensure that the casino is actually registered somewhere and is legally doing business. Also OP I think you made a mistake, I think you meant censored? And the only reason really why it's left as such is because the user doesn't bring it up to court. He posts it instead in the sites forum and other sites that have gambling-related threads (like this one) and lets the people know, and it stops there. It isn't really censored per se, but it mostly has a limited impact.

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There are only two reasons with it it's the part of the mistakes of the player because they didn't even read those permission, terms and rules of the platform mostly common is this they just come up to the platform because that saw it somewhere or someone offers them this by this the argument will not support. If the mistakes come from the gambling platform and there's no feedback or action will take it will now be the responsibility of the gambling platform that might remove their license. IMHO it's useless to scam other people than getting a good reputation for your players that might get your business up. And other one hrs crypto the obligation of the users must need to know if this is registered or not.

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Quote from: agustina2 on November 26, 2021, 06:58:42 PM

Quote from: RILWAN on November 25, 2021, 04:05:54 AM

There have been so many accusations and counter-accusations on the subject matter of fraud so many players have come out with evidence of scams against some sites while the operator of those sites come up with counter-accusations that players violated their T&C.
I think it will be proper if an online accredited court is set up to judge such cases, rather than leaving them uncensored.

Forget this mate. Why hope for that if, in the first place, crypto is anonymous.

It's like saying, we should now adopt the centralized thing like what we are dealing with right now with most exchanges.

That's part of the risk of doing gambling in crypto. We have to accept that.

Keep in mind that we are talking about casino here which is regulated by gambling regulatory board thru providing license to operate. Crypto is really anonymous as currency but it was use on a regulated service so it means that you are not anonymous anymore. But this can only happened if the casino that commit fraud has license to operate. For non-license Casino, Its up to the user on how they will handle the risk on still playing on it.

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It would not be a gambling court, more a gambler's law firm mediator like game-protect. If there was such a court which would comply with global regulations, your claim might be denied if you are from a country where gambling is illegal.
Gambling courts shouldn't just deal with casino company offenses. There are many casinos that have actually fallen victim to the exploitation of fraudulent players and lost hundreds of thousands of dollars unnoticed.

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Quote from: RILWAN on November 25, 2021, 04:05:54 AM

There have been so many accusations and counter-accusations on the subject matter of fraud so many players have come out with evidence of scams against some sites while the operator of those sites come up with counter-accusations that players violated their T&C.
I think it will be proper if an online accredited court is set up to judge such cases, rather than leaving them uncensored.

Forget this mate. Why hope for that if, in the first place, crypto is anonymous.

It's like saying, we should now adopt the centralized thing like what we are dealing with right now with most exchanges.

That's part of the risk of doing gambling in crypto. We have to accept that.

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A blockchain recording backend data, could be formatted so that even site administrators could not alter the data.

Perhaps such is the future of the gambling industry. A provably fair system of backend DBMS which would allow disputes between casinos and players to be settled through dissemination of backend information, which no one can forge or alter.

To be reliable, such a system would probably need to be built using open source tools for the codebase to be open for independent code review. Closed proprietary systems would probably not be trustworthy for most.

There are other methods and formats which could be viable. Perhaps a 3rd party timestamped tool for players to record all of their pending bets.

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Quote from: harizen on November 26, 2021, 05:49:39 PM

To somehow minimize the risks, just play at those sites who already gained a good trust and reputation in the world of crypto-gambling. This online gambling court is far from happening.

I agree the online gambling court is likely just going to be an online community that gives and shares decisions on which platform to be avoided by everyone.
But if you're the gambler that wants to avoid every possible problem with the casino that you want to play. That's going to make you sure that you're on the right casino that has a reputation to protect.

For me there is still no online court that is only a community with what you mention, as far as I know in any case on the internet no one is tried by this online court it will be very difficult how to prove it.
For me, if you believe in a forum that already has a good reputation, then it's better to follow the flow that other people are doing, including gambling, which has a lot of good reputation in this forum, do you not believe what the forum provides as a promotion?

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Quote from: harizen on November 26, 2021, 05:49:39 PM

To somehow minimize the risks, just play at those sites who already gained a good trust and reputation in the world of crypto-gambling. This online gambling court is far from happening.

I agree the online gambling court is likely just going to be an online community that gives and shares decisions on which platform to be avoided by everyone.
But if you're the gambler that wants to avoid every possible problem with the casino that you want to play. That's going to make you sure that you're on the right casino that has a reputation to protect.

This is where that license first impressions do really happen but we know that this isn't on everything because anyone could really rigged up and scam out their players money which with due to this anonymous market then its really hard to trace it upon.
It wont really be guaranteeing everything that's why we should really be careful on dealing with things.
Stick into those reputable ones and you would really be saving up yourself into problems.

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Quote from: harizen on November 26, 2021, 05:49:39 PM

To somehow minimize the risks, just play at those sites who already gained a good trust and reputation in the world of crypto-gambling. This online gambling court is far from happening.

I agree the online gambling court is likely just going to be an online community that gives and shares decisions on which platform to be avoided by everyone.
But if you're the gambler that wants to avoid every possible problem with the casino that you want to play. That's going to make you sure that you're on the right casino that has a reputation to protect.

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Quote from: RILWAN on November 25, 2021, 04:05:54 AM

There have been so many accusations and counter-accusations on the subject matter of fraud so many players have come out with evidence of scams against some sites while the operator of those sites come up with counter-accusations that players violated their T&C.
I think it will be proper if an online accredited court is set up to judge such cases, rather than leaving them uncensored.

Where does the funding come from?

Who will be the enforcer?

There are simply way too many legal and logistical overheads for this idea to work, imho. The best that we can do in this direction is really industry self-regulation, which is probably not necessarily the best thing.

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Quote from: RILWAN on November 25, 2021, 04:05:54 AM

There have been so many accusations and counter-accusations on the subject matter of fraud so many players have come out with evidence of scams against some sites while the operator of those sites come up with counter-accusations that players violated their T&C.
I think it will be proper if an online accredited court is set up to judge such cases, rather than leaving them uncensored.

The problem is something that has been around for years, and your intention to create the court seems important, but it's something that wouldn't work.
The best tool we have is the forum itself, where users bring the problem and present their evidence, in the same way, sites have the same right and the community is the one who decides who is right or not.
Anyone trying to steal will be penalized... in case a notable user will get a "flag", in case of a site it will be spotted forever in the biggest crypto forum (a very bad advertisement against it).
What would a court be more efficient at than that?

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Quote from: RILWAN on November 25, 2021, 04:05:54 AM

There have been so many accusations and counter-accusations on the subject matter of fraud so many players have come out with evidence of scams against some sites while the operator of those sites come up with counter-accusations that players violated their T&C.
I think it will be proper if an online accredited court is set up to judge such cases, rather than leaving them uncensored.

Who will authorize the court? If there will be, they will be subject to the government's approval. It's not good if we allow the government to enter the crypto gambling premises as it will result in centralized gambling like what fiat casinos do have.

I think accusations like that only happen on a not popular site. Do you have an example of that site counter-accusations by the said website? What if the user really violated the Terms and Conditions?

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The bottom line, you are looking forward to decentralized gambling when you consider playing and putting money on crypto-gambling sites. Therefore, expect that you also need to deal with a decentralized environment wherein you won't see any authority to forward your complaint to the said crypto-gambling site.

To somehow minimize the risks, just play at those sites who already gained a good trust and reputation in the world of crypto-gambling. This online gambling court is far from happening.

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Quote from: Rengga Jati on November 26, 2021, 05:21:39 PM

Quote from: RILWAN on November 25, 2021, 04:05:54 AM

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Btw, are you talking about your own signature project that is here always accused as a scam gambling site?
The accusations are not only based on one or two reviews, there are more than these numbers, they also have evidences that show whether they are scammed by the gambling platforms or not.

I have to say "Nice point Rengga Jati"!

At the same time, I will have to quote one of my dear friends Efi"

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The Crypto gambling scene is a wild west!

Sometimes (probably more often than we think) crypto gambling is a wild west... I guess most of us follow the rules of the site whatever they are, but there should be some rules for casinos as well! From that side I understand the point of "online gambling court", but I guess that's something impossible... at least for now! I think this "wild west" will last a bit longer!

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Quote from: dothebeats on November 26, 2021, 04:50:57 PM

And this means that this court needs to be all-encompassing and has jurisdiction on all online gambling platforms and players no matter the nation they are registered in. I don't think this will work, though if a legitimate, unbiased online casino ranking site is present wherein reviews are reliable do exist, it may be one reference which players can use in order to choose which platform should they use. It may not be so much of a help on casinos, but them being able to mess with their players without any explanation is a power players don't have against them.

that's why this kind of initiative is hard to exist as there are so many factors in play that are not possible to happen. with site reviews or rankings, it depends mostly on their experience and we know that each player can have varied experiences in one site.so as a player, what's left for you to do is assess those reviews how valid it is by trying also to play on the site, and see for yourself what's in store for you. use small funds to try their features though.

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Quote from: RILWAN on November 25, 2021, 04:05:54 AM

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Btw, are you talking about your own signature project that is here always accused as a scam gambling site?
The accusations are not only based on one or two reviews, there are more than these numbers, they also have evidences that show whether they are scammed by the gambling platforms or not.
So far, there is a scam accusation in this forum, and this also works enough to know whether the projects or sites are exactly scam or not.
And if there are Online Gambling Court, if there is any, will they really use the court when the costs may be so high and also within complicated court?
Well, just see from many reviews about the certain gambling platforms, and we can see whether it is reputable enough or not to use or play in the platform.

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And this means that this court needs to be all-encompassing and has jurisdiction on all online gambling platforms and players no matter the nation they are registered in. I don't think this will work, though if a legitimate, unbiased online casino ranking site is present wherein reviews are reliable do exist, it may be one reference which players can use in order to choose which platform should they use. It may not be so much of a help on casinos, but them being able to mess with their players without any explanation is a power players don't have against them.

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Quote from: Darker45 on November 25, 2021, 07:55:51 PM

And where would this online court be operating from? Who are the judges answerable to? Who will pay them? Who will select them? From which particular law does its existence spring forth?

This is a complicated matter because legal jurisdictions are limited. You cannot just create an all encompassing court which has the power to try all cases of gambling all over the world. Furthermore, gambling laws differ from one country to another. And if you set this kind of court, it will definitely need a huge manpower given that hundreds and hundreds of millions of gamblers are scattered all over the world.

Online casino gambling courts are also unlikely to be the solution. It would be very difficult and limited access to conduct physical investigations. In addition to limited legal jurisdiction, of course the listed rules that have been mutually agreed upon between the casino and gamblers are agreements that have been accepted by both parties from the start. especially the gamblers who are prepared for the risks they accept. No court would accept an offer like this just the case couldn't be proven if the casinos themselves had more courts they paid to get operations running under government protection.

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Quote from: RILWAN on November 26, 2021, 12:59:11 AM

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Quote from: robelneo on November 25, 2021, 11:24:43 PM

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players breaking the rules

, it's all about transparency.

The community is fair enough to see who's proofs are worth supporting.

but most of the time this RULE Breaking is what used by scam sites to take money from their players.

it is easy for them to accused players of cheating because they can hide in their Privacy rights to not disclose any information or proofs towards the said gambler.

so in the end their own rules helps them victimized players.

That is the point gambling sites hide under these rules to take players' money most especially when a big amount is won. But if there is an accredited online Court it will help check out this abnormality when proven the necessary punishment be given to them.

It's impossible for an online global court to exist since we don't live in an one government world jurisdiction. However, you can still sue a gambling company by tracking in which country they are located and by picking a lawyer from that territory to work for you. It's an expensive, tiring and time consuming process though...
You can also request help and further guidelines on how to act regards this matter from local authorities responsible for the country where the casino is located in case you feel you are being scammed and want to take legal action against them.

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