Topic: Opinion on the US - page 5. (Read 18980 times)

Except you have yet to answer any of my points except somehow try and simplify what I say as 'racist'. Now that's some ignorance. You are the first American to try and call me that seriously. I would at least give you that - somehow many people seem to think if you are not white, you shouldn't be called racist either.

My response to anti-American sentiment is completely justified by the fact that every single point I raised has evidence coming out of all the actions taken by these so-called 'victim' nations and ethnicities.

No one, least of all me, have stated that America is perfectly moral in all its actions. However, rest of the world attempting to criticize US from some delusional position of moral superioirity is akin to an employee who doesn't even show up for work half the week trying to bitch and moan about how another worker should be fired because he filled out an order wrong on one of his contracts.

The true discrepancy between faults of other nations/ethnicities and US is incredibly large, no matter which idiotic fools coked up with sense of nationalist racially charged ethnic 'pride' tries to bitch otherwise. No nation has been as forthcoming in admitting its major and minor faults as United States, or attempted reparations and reconciliations along with appropriate sentiment and gestures. Rest of the world is in no place to criticize US for its supposed 'mistakes' while they have neither the experience nor the ability to act as a strong, power-wielding nation.

What is going on around now is nothing more than selective posturing done by those whose ignorant ulterior motive is too pathetically obvious: They want to try to be the big cheese. All that, while not even able to deal properly with their neighbors and having bitchfest over a piece of rock or dealing with severe level of ignorance and racial biases in their own countries.

As for blaming our 'leaders', I would ask you to please put down that psuedo-revolutionary crackpipe and actually travel and live as a citizen (if you even can, that is. Most of the time you will still be a fuckin forienger and never really be included in the inner workings of their society the same way as their own people). The social, cultural, and political environment in many countries will do their best to shake you out of your little fantasies about how US is the ultimate evil empire or some other delusional and immature fantasies about sticking it to the man.

Just like how snowden or assange was too cowardly to go after real targets practicing imperialism and racial discrimination on a cultural, social, and historical level, or just as that idiotic bitch jane fonda only recently sheepishly retracted her ignorant endorsement of NVA (my lai was more or less SOP for them), you need to get some proper perspective before playing at being an 'enlightened' and 'progressive' people with awareness about REAL conditions of this world.

Otherwise, have fun being led around the nose by those who will happily manipulate your immature and infantile bitching to their advantage. Here's a hint: the big bad boss ain't US no matter how comfortable that may make you feel as opposed to someone who you REALLY can't stand up against and try to ignore.

Anti Americanism is for the weak and the ignorant. Those who love to squeal 'racist' should check themselves before they drown in their own shit and I will be glad to hold them in place while someone else does the fun work, my darker skin not withstanding even a little bit.

Fair's fair, bitches!

Your friendship with Israel benefits them more than it benefits you. Pretty much nailed by Biomech.

UAE = no civil rights whatsoever, while USA uses civil rights as an argument in criticizing unfavorable countries. My point was about hypocrisy.

Japs = Britain, France, Russia, many countries were trying to play imperialist in the past. USA nuked country which was begging to surrender itself. Just to prove a point, to exert a dominant stance in the world.

And finally Afghanistan = I hate the idea of US involvement, but they've already involved AND THEY ARE PROTECTING DRUG OPERATIONS. Not turning their backs on the problem, but BACKING IT UP.

2+2=4 (just to see if you will try to debate that too)

+1

I was going to address some of the diatribe about Israel, but maybe I shouldn... Ahh, fuck it. The issue was raised, I'm responding.

I have no problem with Jews. I have a huge problem with Israel. Specifically, I have a huge problem with Israel being backed by the United States of America. If Israel wants to get all medieval on their neighbors, they can AND SHOULD do it on their own hook. The British Mandate is over.

That's a specific. In general, I have a big problem with ALL foreign aid at the taxpayer's expense when our own nation is crumbling to ruin in a lot of places. I just moved from one of them. Western Pennsylvania looks and feels like the pictures coming out of the Soviet Union circa 1980. I now live in Idaho, where I have spent the majority of my adult life, and it's still pretty affluent. I have traveled all over the USA, having now been in 41 states, and a whole lot of it is a mess. If we are to have a central government (which I oppose vehemently, but it exists) then FFS can't they focus at least some of the loot they steal on fixing OUR problems instead of exacerbating problems abroad? We only need the rest of the world for trade. We do not need to interfere in their affairs, for good or ill. They are human and capable. If our alleged leaders continue down the path they've been pursuing, it will cease to enrich even them when our land goes up in the flames of revolution.

Another big beef I have with them is their "righteous" attitude when their poking at people causes a backlash. If the situations were reversed and, say, Mexico invade us because of some made up or even real slight, would our leaders claim that Mexico was in the right? (Nothing against Mexico, just that they are close by and populous. It is merely an example.)

From my travels and having grown up here, I have to say that over all, Americans are fairly decent people. Our rulers are not. At all. They are clueless about their own backyard, arrogant in their dismissal of the opinions and plight of their serfs, and downright dangerous to foreigners. They need to go. Before the situation becomes unrecoverable, if that hasn't already happened.

Agreed.  This holds true for you as well.
It doesn't.  I've not addressed your validity yet, only your intention.
Nope, not telling you that.  But if you are looking for Straw men, they are over there.  >---->

Me?  Coming from the weak minded position of curiosity...I'm not arguing with you about anything you are asserting.  Just curious that your writing seems to have the purpose of propagating profane nationalistic rants seemingly with the purpose to engender hatred toward the USA whilst apparently carrying its water, so I thought I'd offer you the opportunity of establishing some greater purpose, but you failed at that.

It makes sense.  "Honeypot" is the term used for an attractive trap.  In this case, you embody the indignant belligerent American racist to provoke others into senseless arguments over historical regional injustices of international politics of nations.  
No region is innocent of injustice, and many folks will have enough regional or national pride to get excited over such provocations.

Carry on.  I'll have some popcorn and leave you to your fun.

If stating the obvious, true fact about another causes them 'hatred' against US, than that is the result. Their feelings have no bearing upon whether they are right or at best ignorantly mistaken.

Since when did the opposing side's feelings and reaction a grounds to validate or invalidate any claims?

Here's my question: Are you telling me that just because another reacts with 'hate' and 'discontent' that they are somehow in the right because they 'feel' so? Just what kind of carelessly weak minded position are you coming from that state something like this as if it is legitimate?

Are you even listening to yourself right now?

The US government is bad for bitcoin because it has the ability to dictate bad fiscal policy to the rest of the world due to the preeminence of the dollar. Fortunately the USD will continue to decline and soon cease to be the world's reserve currency. I'm glad that China just recently changed its policy and will stop buying dollars.

I'm American.  My question is simple.  Is your goal with this profane ranting to encourage hate toward America, or do you have some more noble purpose?

Since when did people's 'hate' become a legitimate concern and valid argument against another? I believe you need to rethink what goes through your head before piping up carelessly.

'Racism' LOL  now that just too cute. No one's pretending. Please fix that attitude of yours. No one, myself above all, could give any less of a fuck what you feel and laugh at your 'hate' while displaying blatant and outright disrespect against another based solely on whatever you feel comfortable with at the time.

Hypocrisy? You don't even know what you are mouthing off about.

How about some 'hate' for your own governments and oppressors who flaunt the basic common decency of your fellow people?  Or are they too scary for you to stand up against because they couldn't care less about some limp dick fucks bitching about human rights while you think your little 'feelings' are supposed to be legitimate arguments against US?

With an attitude like that, I have no problem with our soldiers raping and killing foreigners. Please, just give us more excuse. I don't think you have a slightest idea what you are bitching about.

Honeypot.  Is your goal to be "defending" the USA by actively generating hate toward it with vitriolic ranting, racism, generalizations and pretending the people of a region are to be held accountable for the actions of those governments who have power over them as if those people were personally involved in creating the worst parts of the history of the region in which they reside?

You got no place having a 'beef' with Israel, fool. Little racist cunts from around the world are so easily manipulated by anything that seems to give them a momentary moral high ground, so much so that they actually managed to make an enemy out of people to whom arabs have done wrong far more than any jew has committed crimes against arabs. No one in Israel is calling for genocide of arabs or even 'palestinians'. Why is it that those EVIL jews pay and allow palestinians to work along side jewish citizens of Israel within Israeli borders? I do hear the opposite from muslims. Now, if arabs had even a fraction of excuse that jews had in their claims to Israeli land, they would be squealing at the top of their lungs about 'reclaiming'.

Selective muslim moralizing (i.e. bitch lies) is so obvious to anyone, even to someone such as myself who is not even remotely connected to either side in the conflict.

What of UAE? When have they aggressively invaded a nation to sack and loot their capital? When have they attempted to declare extermination of a race and ethnicity their goal? Cry me a river about 1000 dead in the protests within UAE while the whole of arab and muslim world make a scape goat out of 6.5 million jews many of whom arabs conducted pogroms on in various nations after a little encouragement from the nazis.

As far as japs, I hope you enjoy talking to chinese and koreans, or filipinos about what they think in regards to 'innocence' of those 12 year old children who tried to play at being an imperialist, racist empire who freely used cultural genocide as a tool and slavery of asian women. Or maybe you are too gullible to understand the difference between valid arguments and sentiment-laden not-so-subtle and quite pathetic attempts at twisting truths as japs love to do with their version of 'history'.

Afghan heroin production? What next, are you going to cry and moan about US not doing anything to stop the poppy and heroin production in the Golden Triangle? I thought you hated the idea of US being involved in foreign countries? You sure are selective on topics which you bitch and moan about.

USA support of UAE, there's your hypocrisy.

My biggest beef wih USA is it's support of Israel. It's support of UAE. It's presence in Japan (and totally unjustified nuking of Japan). And supporting heroin production in Afghanistan, instead of burning those poppy seeds down.

What goes around comes around. It's a shame that Iranian civillians had to pay the price for iranian regime's racist and fucking childish tantrums they throw around. However, vast majority of Iranians love the idea of sticking it to the foreigners in such a way - motivated by remnants of 'pride' about persia or some such farfetched nonsense they managed to connect themselves to in order to gain some sense of identity and motivation called ethno nationalism. This is one of the primary reason why the world seems to detest Iran - no one likes bitch made punks with attitude problems and a runny mouth.

While US actions were not entirely benign with Iran, iranians are fooling themselves if they thought their 'democratically' elected government before Shah would have eventually turned out any better then Shah itself. At the very least, Iran would be suffering under significant Soviet/Russian pressure and would have been eventually made to decide between a security-laden communist state and eventual defacto soviet suzerainty. Even before that, all the oil and gas resources would have been siphoned off to the communist bloc in order for the 'people's government' in Iran to maintain their power base and secure arms and technological assistance from soviet union - the most important thing that went wrong is iranian people's choice to replace a secular tyrannical regime for an even worse wolf in sheep's clothing that had woven ethnic, religious, and racist motivations into a one nice little package called iranian islamic revolution.

What you may not understand is that Iran effectively declared war on US and has been waging a war of covert bombings and subterfuge all over the middle east against US and its allies. Fueled by short-sighted nationalism and ethnic racism, iranians have blindly lashed out at what they believed was a convenient scapegoat, US, while having little to no knowledge about the geopolitical situations. For a supposed descendants of an 'empire', they sure behave in a very narrow minded and short sighted way.

More than ten times 235 people died from Iranian-sponsored armed militias that were specifically engineered and operated by top figures in Iranian government during 1980s alone. That's not even counting the number of civillians in other countries such as argentina killed by Iranian muslim racist regime spewing childish ignorance left and right against the world.

More importantly, this is a country that advocates genocide and extermination of certain group of people solely for who they are. Save the usual deflective excuses. A parrot can attempt to deny, bitch and moan and try to play word/semantic games to convince themselves they are not racist fuckers with an attitude problem. What Iran is doing is purely racial, ethnic, and cultural warfare not only against its neighbors, but against the world.

For the blood spilled in the middle east and beyond based on actions purely out of spite and small-minded delusions of ethnic/religious grandeur, iranian civillians paid only a fraction of the blood price for their ignorance. The only regretful fact is that some uninvolved and innocent civillians on those flights were killed alongside those who were guilty.

Iran does not have the right to be given an apology at this point, due to the nature of their actions - perhaps in the future, when Iranians are ready to face the facts of their ignorance and crime against their neighbors, US would express regret and mutual apologies for event that led up to 655. However, it is iran that set itself up to be punished severely for their ignorance. US doesn't have 'imperialist' designs on the middle east or muslims. The chief interest of US national policy is to secure stability and peace in the region in a way that does not disrupt the global stability in terms of energy and natural resources.

However, like iran, many seek to blame outsiders for their own failings as a culture and people. They constantly lash out at others, while denying and hiding their bitch acts behind self-serving lies that illicit justified hatred and killing of their people. They have been cornered into a position by the virtue of their own failures and retarded lies, yet seek to blame everyone else for their problems.

Borders of those US fight against are bloody and without any strand of possibly justification other than ethnic and racial ignorance spouted by the same fools who claim to be victims of 'imperialism'.

Hypocrisy and short sighted adolescent 'ethnic pride' of Iran must be addressed first. US does not offer apologies to those who does not even deserve to be treated as human beings by the virtue of their own miserable hypocrisy and purposeful failures.

we said sorry (not really) = Iran Air Flight 655 (States agreed to pay US$61.8 million, an average of $213,103.45 per passenger, in compensation to the families of the Iranian victims. However, the United States has never admitted responsibility, nor apologized to Iran. The payment of compensation was explicitly characterized by the US as being on an ex gratia basis, and the U.S. denied having any responsibility or liability for what happened.)

I love Americans.
I also love the people of every other geography.

The freedom to be self-critical is a powerful engine of self improvement and inoculation against group-think. 

Power corrupts, to the extent that the checks and balances in the US system keep that from being worse than it is, we can claim a modicum of success, but the failures are woeful and plentiful.  If you want to get rich in America, make a career out of anti-corruption prosecution, whereas in many places that is a good way to get dead.

What was your point?

Thanks for proving my point.  I don't have a wife that I beat btw, just in case it wasn't obvious to you.

Regarding what your wife should do about your beatings:
I need to know more about your wife and yourself to offer sound advice.
If your wife is capable enough, i would suggest that she leaves you.  If, for any reason, that is not an option, i would need to know more about you.  Are you likely to get angry at her for complaining, and beat her more often?  If so, i would advise her against complaining unless she enjoys being beaten.

How many countries are free to go around the world, invade and occupy whoever they choose and carry out extra judicial killings on a whim, often in error and often without any recourse whatsoever.

Be warned, what goes around comes around and right now the USA's tab on that score is huge.

I love it when anti-American fools can't even get off their own asses to fix their country so shit doesn't spill over their borders. Hence, requiring whatever international body or more often, US, to come in and remove the problem.

Case in point: China can't even talk to other asian nations without getting into a bitchfest about some piece rock in the south pacific.

US government is relatively benign compared to what other nations would be doing if they held such power and influence in their hands. Honestly speaking, no other nation comes even close in terms of how much fucking 'apologies' and 'reparations' that US government fully acknowledged and handed out. Even then, we don't believe that 'absolves' any mistakes made in the past - unlike certain nations who fling empty words of apologies and some money with an attitude that screams: "ok we gave you some money, we said sorry (not really), so FUCK OFF".

Meanwhile, japs can't even tell the truth about their crimes in ww2, chinese can't even get along with their next door neighbors without having a pissing contest on the international stage, pakis and indians fucking hate each other, and africa's always trying to scapegoat the west (sometimes chinese) for all their problems. Middle east just fucking hates everyone else with their racist antics.

The reason US is drawing so much childish ire from mouthy idiots around the globe is that America just can't seem to make up its mind about what it wants to be. More specifically, what the rest of the world THINKS and EXPECTS it to be: Either a forever generous and benign rich man whose generosity and prosperity they can all try to take advantage of, or cruel and absolutely vicious overlord that displays complete inhuman cruelty they themselves would love to exercise against whatever 'enemy' rubs them the wrong way.

Also, to all idiots in this country who thinks our government is 'corrupt', please check yourself and experience what that really means outside of US.

I believe that majority of actions taken by US, including fights against 'indians' (which btw so much anti-american shits seem to care so much about even though they never gave a shit before hahaha), bombing of hiroshima and nagasaki, vietnam, and iraq/afghanistan war, are much more justifiable than any other actions taken by nations around the globe from 18th century on.

However, it seems that biased idiocy against US is the 'in' thing to do. I suppose easier thing to do than admiring or respecting someone who is powerful and influential is trying to denigrate them down to their level.

Compared to other nations, I don't think US is really all that 'bad' - except maybe we should learn to be more vicious towards those who think having a mouth means you can bitch anytime to anyone you want.

Also, please don't try to bring up cheap and useless tangents with buzz words like 'genocide' and 'imperialism', or my favorite, 'empire'. Empires don't negotiate or give quarters. Most of these idiotic nonsense is often spouted by people who are too pampered to understand those concepts and CERTAINLY have never experienced them from the point of view of those who are truly oppressed under such system.

TLDR: Go fuck yourself. Fix your own damn country first so they don't fly planes into buildings and let blind lawyer escape from your 'cops' to a foreign embassy in the middle of your fucking capital.

 

I only beat my wife once a week.  That guy over there beats his every day!  My wife should thank her lucky stars that she is not with that other guy and shouldn't complain.