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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 25, 2021, 10:27:59 PM

^^^ Hmm... I was wrong about Schindler's List. I guess I was too much biased towards In the Name of the Father.

In the Name of the Father is a fine film, no questions about that, but for me Schindler's List is a masterpiece, and that's what separates those two. I was jist surprised when you said that is undeserving as that's the first time I heard that, while Crash gets mentioned all the time in that context.

Quote from: Sithara007 on April 25, 2021, 10:27:59 PM

BTW, there is a surprise. The Oscar for Best Actor this year is won by Sir Anthony Hopkins!!! That was completely unexpected, but I am glad for him. No one deserved the award better than him. He was simply outstanding in The Father. The best actress award was won by Frances McDormand (Nomadland). And as expected, Nomadland is chosen as the best picture. In most cases, I have to say that this year's awards were won by deserving people.

Yep, great thing about Hopkins winning an Oscar, academy did the right thing for a change and awarded truly the best performance this year.

Quote from: Sithara007 on April 25, 2021, 10:27:59 PM

LOL.. did you put any money on him?

Unfortunately not, I was so busy last few days that I completely forgot to bet on this. But still, I don't mind as I am glad to see that the right person won. And as I mentioned in the beginning of this thread, Boseman turned out to be a bad bet, with only 1.08 odds. I hope that people didn't put much on that one.

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Why betting on Chadwik Boseman for the best actor award would be a "bad bet"?

I wouldn't bet on Chadwick Boseman winning the Oscar not because I don't think that he will win it (on the contrary, seems like he is obviously the the favorite) but because odds given are way too low. With odds ranging from 1.05-1.08 you would have to bet a lot to get any decent return, and I think that risk/reward ratio in this case ain't good at all, therefore making it a bad bet.

If odds were let's say 1.3-1.4, then I would certainly think about taking that bet, but with 1.08? No chance! I generally avoid such a low odds, no matter what I am betting on. Too many times lost while taking sub 1.1 odds not to learn the lesson.

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^^^ Hmm... I was wrong about Schindler's List. I guess I was too much biased towards In the Name of the Father.

BTW, there is a surprise. The Oscar for Best Actor this year is won by Sir Anthony Hopkins!!! That was completely unexpected, but I am glad for him. No one deserved the award better than him. He was simply outstanding in The Father. The best actress award was won by Frances McDormand (Nomadland). And as expected, Nomadland is chosen as the best picture. In most cases, I have to say that this year's awards were won by deserving people.

Quote from: Rikafip on April 25, 2021, 02:56:31 AM

Yep, it is a shame that Hopkins won't probably win an Oscar for this. Despite the odds I think I will bet some money on him, just in case he wins by some miracle.

LOL.. did you put any money on him?

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 23, 2021, 11:15:30 PM

Injection of political propaganda (beyond a certain limit) is not going to do any good. Even previously there was a lot of controversy surrounding the prizes awarded to films such as Schindler's List and Crash.

While I agree that Crash win was controversial as there were few clearly better movies nominated that year (Brokeback Mountain, Capote, Good night and good luck) I don't remember anything of that sorts surrounding Schindler's List. As a mater of act, I think that this is the first time I hear someone saying that about Schindler's List.

When you look at the competition that year (The Fugitive, In the Name of the Father, The Piano and The Remains of the Day), only maybe In the Name of the Father comes relatively close. All other films can't simply match Steven Spielberg's masterpiece. Tehnical part of the movie was superb, and on top of that both Lian Neeson and especially Ralph Fiennes (he should have an an Oscar for his brilliant portray of Amon Goeth) probably had career roles.

Quote from: Stalker22 on April 25, 2021, 02:21:05 AM

I was blown away by The Father; at first, it seemed that the various scenarios will slow down the entire film and that too much time will be wasted in distinguishing the real from the imaginary, but it soon becomes clear that it doesn't matter at all. Anthony Hopkins' brilliance anchors the entire film.

Yep, it is a shame that Hopkins won't probably win an Oscar for this. Despite the odds I think I will bet some money on him, just in case he wins by some miracle.

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I was blown away by The Father; at first, it seemed that the various scenarios will slow down the entire film and that too much time will be wasted in distinguishing the real from the imaginary, but it soon becomes clear that it doesn't matter at all. Anthony Hopkins' brilliance anchors the entire film.

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Quote from: joker_josue on April 23, 2021, 02:05:59 AM

Unfortunately, I have to agree. But this, in my opinion, has been going on for several years.
I don't always win the best, and it is possible to find several critics of the cinema talking about it.
However, this is a problem that is increasingly affecting society in general, in the most varied areas. More and more people are looking at socio-cultural elements, rather than housing. But this is another debate.

In the longer run, it will ruin the reputation of the awards. Look at the Nobel peace prize. No one takes it seriously nowadays, because a lot of underserving people have been given the award. The Hollywood movie industry itself is in a poor state for the last one and half years due to the pandemic. Injection of political propaganda (beyond a certain limit) is not going to do any good. Even previously there was a lot of controversy surrounding the prizes awarded to films such as Schindler's List and Crash.

Politics has always been present in art, the most important thing is that art also remains. It's just that the world has gone mad and at times they are judged not by the quality of the work, but by the actions of its author in real life. By the way, there may indeed be disputes about the subject matter of such a film as Schindler's List, but the film itself as a work of art is technically made quite soundly, which is often not enough for new projects. I understand perfectly well that a work of art (not always) should reflect reality in all its diversity, but make it mandatory or destroy the career of artists for unfashionable words from the ruling class or for speeches that have been said for a long time, about which a person has long changed his opinion...

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Quote from: joker_josue on April 23, 2021, 02:05:59 AM

Unfortunately, I have to agree. But this, in my opinion, has been going on for several years.
I don't always win the best, and it is possible to find several critics of the cinema talking about it.

However, this is a problem that is increasingly affecting society in general, in the most varied areas. More and more people are looking at socio-cultural elements, rather than housing. But this is another debate.

In the longer run, it will ruin the reputation of the awards. Look at the Nobel peace prize. No one takes it seriously nowadays, because a lot of underserving people have been given the award. The Hollywood movie industry itself is in a poor state for the last one and half years due to the pandemic. Injection of political propaganda (beyond a certain limit) is not going to do any good. Even previously there was a lot of controversy surrounding the prizes awarded to films such as Schindler's List and Crash.

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Another storyline for the winner of the best actress category might be because of black lives matter, the academy might vote for Viola Davis or Andra Day and have a black woman as the best actress of the year hehe. Their odds are 3.17 and 6.17.

Sad to see a prestigious event such as Oscar now purely becoming a political event. The award for the best actress should be given to the individual who had given the best performance. I am not a big fan of either Viola Davis or Andra Day, but I will be having no issue if they are being given the award on the basis of performance. But here this entire award ceremony is being relegated to a joke, and the winners are decided on the basis of political preference and not on the basis of their acting skills.

Unfortunately, I have to agree. But this, in my opinion, has been going on for several years.
I don't always win the best, and it is possible to find several critics of the cinema talking about it.

However, this is a problem that is increasingly affecting society in general, in the most varied areas. More and more people are looking at socio-cultural elements, rather than housing. But this is another debate.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on April 22, 2021, 10:53:57 PM

Another storyline for the winner of the best actress category might be because of black lives matter, the academy might vote for Viola Davis or Andra Day and have a black woman as the best actress of the year hehe. Their odds are 3.17 and 6.17.

Sad to see a prestigious event such as Oscar now purely becoming a political event. The award for the best actress should be given to the individual who had given the best performance. I am not a big fan of either Viola Davis or Andra Day, but I will be having no issue if they are being given the award on the basis of performance. But here this entire award ceremony is being relegated to a joke, and the winners are decided on the basis of political preference and not on the basis of their acting skills.

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Another storyline for the winner of the best actress category might be because of black lives matter, the academy might vote for Viola Davis or Andra Day and have a black woman as the best actress of the year hehe. Their odds are 3.17 and 6.17.

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Quote from: Rikafip on April 17, 2021, 12:15:14 PM

Quote from: joker_josue on April 17, 2021, 08:50:17 AM

I didn't mean to say you're a feminist. What I meant is that it is a story told by women.
I'm not saying it's better or worse than the others on the list. Because I think they are all almost at the same level.

I didn't say that you said I am a feminist lol, but you said that Nomadland is about history of women and I don't understand how you came to that conclusion, if you watched the movie. It's true that this year we have many dramas nominated which is understandable due covid situation.

I referred to the film. Cheesy

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Quote from: Rikafip on April 05, 2021, 03:43:40 PM

As a matter of fact, Heath Ledger was nominated in "Best Performance by an Actor in a Leading Role" category back in 2006 for his role in Brokeback Mountain (if it was up to me I would have give him Oscar, but competition that years was tough, and it would be unfair to say that Philip Seymour Hoffman winning that Oscar was undeserving). Regarding his Oscar for "Best Supporting Actor", it wouldn't make much sense to nominate him for the Leading Role as he simply wasn't a lead role in The Dark Knight.

And yeah, Chadwick Boseman will probably win an Oscar, but in my mind I have no doubt who actually deserved it, and that is Anthony Hopkins.

There is nothing like a posthumous award and therefore the Oscar for best actor should be given to the best performance irrespective of whether that individual is alive or not. Therefore I agree with you that Anthony Hopkins deserves the award much more than Chadwick Boseman. But under current political circumstances, it will be impossible for the jury to give the award to anyone other than Chadwick Boseman. Even if they want to do that, they can't. That's the bitter truth.

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Quote from: joker_josue on April 17, 2021, 08:50:17 AM

I didn't mean to say you're a feminist. What I meant is that it is a story told by women.
I'm not saying it's better or worse than the others on the list. Because I think they are all almost at the same level.

I didn't say that you said I am a feminist lol, but you said that Nomadland is about history of women and I don't understand how you came to that conclusion, if you watched the movie. It's true that this year we have many dramas nominated which is understandable due covid situation.

If you I have to rate Oscar nominated movies from best to worse, this is how it would look like: Nomadland>The Father>Mank>Sound of Metal>Minari>Judas and the Black Messiah>Promising Young Woman>The Trial of The Chicago 7.

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Quote from: Rikafip on April 17, 2021, 08:07:41 AM

I do agree that Academy tends to award movies that fits the agenda, but based on what you think that Nomadland is about, I am certain that you haven't seen the movie at all, or you completely misunderstood it. Either way, it's not about "history of women" or feminism at all. It's more about a death of American dream. After watching it, I do understand why it's a clear favorite as I enjoyed it a lot. Just to add that movie is definitely not everyone's cup of tea.

I didn't mean to say you're a feminist. What I meant is that it is a story told by women.
I'm not saying it's better or worse than the others on the list. Because I think they are all almost at the same level.

But those on digital platforms are not going to win for sure. And of the options that are left, this is what fits on the agenda.

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Quote from: FatFork on April 16, 2021, 03:00:50 PM

Yeah, I've read a lot of online reviews for "Trial of the Chicago 7", but most everyone agrees that it's an average movie at best. Personally, I'm not sure about the nomination worth, but that's the Academy. I'm not sure about the low odds; it may be related to the total number of nominations for "Trial" or the fact that Sacha Baron Cohen is also involved in this movie.

It's just that film is about the stuff that Academy usually likes and that fits the narrative and that's why all the praise. To be honest, I didn't even like Sacha Baron Cohen that much in a movie. Few times in the movie he let his British accent gets out. Some say its on purpose as that's how the guy he portrayed talked, but when some interview, it turned out that wasn't really the case.

Quote from: joker_josue on April 16, 2021, 07:39:26 PM

But Academy has a tendency, to reward those who are more profitable or who will give a greater advantage, for Academy.

And I see in "Nomadland", one of those cases. At a time when talking about women's rights, especially in the US cinema world, we have a nominated film that was written and directed by women, about the history of women, and with actresses who performed well, it has everything to win.

I do agree that Academy tends to award movies that fits the agenda, but based on what you think that Nomadland is about, I am certain that you haven't seen the movie at all, or you completely misunderstood it. Either way, it's not about "history of women" or feminism at all. It's more about a death of American dream. After watching it, I do understand why it's a clear favorite as I enjoyed it a lot. Just to add that movie is definitely not everyone's cup of tea.

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I think the winner of the best film is going to be "Nomadland".

But Academy has a tendency, to reward those who are more profitable or who will give a greater advantage, for Academy.

And I see in "Nomadland", one of those cases. At a time when talking about women's rights, especially in the US cinema world, we have a nominated film that was written and directed by women, about the history of women, and with actresses who performed well, it has everything to win.

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Quote from: Rikafip on April 13, 2021, 04:47:39 PM

The thing that I don't understand is how Trial of the Chicago 7 has such a low odds ( and high chances for the win). For me personally it was an average movie, and I am a big fan of courtroom dramas. I just expected more from it.

Yeah, I've read a lot of online reviews for "Trial of the Chicago 7", but most everyone agrees that it's an average movie at best. Personally, I'm not sure about the nomination worth, but that's the Academy. I'm not sure about the low odds; it may be related to the total number of nominations for "Trial" or the fact that Sacha Baron Cohen is also involved in this movie.

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Quote from: swogerino on April 05, 2021, 05:17:31 AM

I haven't watched any of these movies but I am affected by the odds.Nomadland has an 1.4 odd while the others have really high odds compared to this.I don't think we can judge by the odds in movies like we can in sports because each one of us has different emotions during a movie.Some people may prefer the movie with the highest odd so I would not bet on any of these events.

A lot of talk about Nomadland, and people claim that it is almost assured of the prize for best movie. I checked the odds for other movies, but they are far behind. The Trial of the Chicago 7 seems to be in the second place, but there is a wide gap between the two. Moonlight and Hidden Figures are also talked about as potential nominations. A few others in picture are Minari, Promising Young Woman and Judas and the Black
Messiah.

The thing that I don't understand is how Trial of the Chicago 7 has such a low odds ( and high chances for the win). For me personally it was an average movie, and I am a big fan of courtroom dramas. I just expected more from it.

When I sum it all up, I like the Nomadland the most. It's kinda melancholic and almost made in documentary style+superb photography but definitely not movie for everyone and I can understand why someone might not like it. Close 2nd for me is The Father, and I really hope that some miracle happens and Anthony Hopkins gets his well deserved Oscar.

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Quote from: swogerino on April 05, 2021, 05:17:31 AM

I haven't watched any of these movies but I am affected by the odds.Nomadland has an 1.4 odd while the others have really high odds compared to this.I don't think we can judge by the odds in movies like we can in sports because each one of us has different emotions during a movie.Some people may prefer the movie with the highest odd so I would not bet on any of these events.

A lot of talk about Nomadland, and people claim that it is almost assured of the prize for best movie. I checked the odds for other movies, but they are far behind. The Trial of the Chicago 7 seems to be in the second place, but there is a wide gap between the two. Moonlight and Hidden Figures are also talked about as potential nominations. A few others in picture are Minari, Promising Young Woman and Judas and the Black
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Quote from: Stalker22 on April 04, 2021, 10:56:50 AM

The Academy Awards have been more than just about movies since their inception. Actors and filmmakers have a long tradition of taking action and speaking out about what they believe is right at the ceremony. And they have no plans to abandon the tradition anytime soon.

Yep. So pretty much pointless wasting the time about that subject as they do what they do. Sometimes they will vote based on whatever agenda they are pushing on at the moment, sometimes because studio spent shit load of money on lobbying and sometimes truly the best performance (or at least good enough that people won't complain too much) will win the Oscar.

Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 05, 2021, 02:33:07 AM

Don't know much about the others, but it now looks confirmed that Chadwick Boseman will be selected as the best actor. I don't have any issues with posthumous nominations for Oscar, but I believe that the rules should be same for everyone. Heath Ledger never got the nomination, despite the fact that he deserved it in 2009. He was instead given the "best supporting actor" award.

As a matter of fact, Heath Ledger was nominated in "Best Performance by an Actor in a Leading Role" category back in 2006 for his role in Brokeback Mountain (if it was up to me I would have give him Oscar, but competition that years was tough, and it would be unfair to say that Philip Seymour Hoffman winning that Oscar was undeserving). Regarding his Oscar for "Best Supporting Actor", it wouldn't make much sense to nominate him for the Leading Role as he simply wasn't a lead role in The Dark Knight.

And yeah, Chadwick Boseman will probably win an Oscar, but in my mind I have no doubt who actually deserved it, and that is Anthony Hopkins.

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Quote from: STT on April 05, 2021, 02:12:19 AM

There is definitely a campaign and budget to pay people to drum up support for oscar wins and nominations. I'd still say oscars go with movies that deserve it in the main, so long as there is competition in that year you are talking the cream of the crop. Just watching any of the nominated movies is probably fine, many people consider the win just personal preference and being nominated will boost sales enough that it has distinguished a movie from the crowd.

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shouldn't put odds here because people will be influenced by that. And you won't get reliable opinions.

People are always biased to the popular and its already known who are the favourite actors. Actors sometimes do awfully in a role and dont deserve any recognition or possibly they just keep playing the same role and its not worth any special praise. The oscars itself has its own bias and its towards the greatest drama I think not politics, acting does have a left wing bias imo but its not universal so I dont label oscars political in that way. I would say sentimentalism or something which is not a criticism exactly.

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Quote from: Saint-loup on March 15, 2021, 05:40:59 PM

Thank you for this thread but if you're asking people favorites you shouldn't put odds here because people will be influenced by that. And you won't get reliable opinions.
The biggest favorites are of course Chadwick Boseman, Chloe Zhao and Nomadland.
For the best actress, Carey Mulligan was already the favorite at the Golden Globes but finally Andra Day won it so I think 5.0 for Andra Day is too high, she is a serious contender actually.

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