overwhelming consensus excludes Lauda, remains in DT2, went in2 buz w sold act - page 34.

Lauda

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Quote from: theymos on February 14, 2018, 05:51:05 AM

..Lauda has many good ratings..

Thanks.

Quote from: theymos on February 14, 2018, 05:51:05 AM

...but also several that seem too trigger-happy..

I know. The inherent problem with DT1 members is that they just act quietly. How about sending a PM in the lines of: "Hello [InsertDT2 member], I do not agree with the following ratings XYZ because of *[insertReason]". However, no. In a lot of cases, they don't even respond at all when you message them about it.

Quote from: theymos on February 14, 2018, 05:51:05 AM

..but I have been getting very annoyed about how centralized the trust system is...

A lot of people are.

Quote from: theymos on February 14, 2018, 05:51:05 AM

I've been seriously thinking about reopening the idea of enforcing user-defined trust lists via suggestions, etc., deprecating DefaultTrust.

It seems to be at least somewhat better than backroom collusion(s) that we have right now. Would you mind on elaborating on:

Quote from: Doc Martin on February 14, 2018, 05:56:33 AM

Sweet. Lauda negged me for “lying” after I pointed out his/her past connections to alt accounts and account sales. Glad to see this bullshit doesn’t fly anymore.

Hello (dormant) QS army.

Doc Martin

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Sweet. Lauda negged me for “lying” after I pointed out his/her past connections to alt accounts and account sales. Glad to see this bullshit doesn’t fly anymore.

theymos

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I don't have an opinion on this particular issue (Lauda has many good ratings, but also several that seem too trigger-happy), but I have been getting very annoyed about how centralized the trust system is. The reason that I made it a complicated trust network instead of a centralized list/database is so that it'd be decentralized and subjective.

I've been seriously thinking about reopening the idea of enforcing user-defined trust lists via suggestions, etc., deprecating DefaultTrust.

edgycorner

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Quote from: Lauda on February 14, 2018, 05:40:41 AM

That is a lie. The ratings that I have been leaving were proper in one way or another.

I would have created a list of all such ratings, but I go to college

And I am doing an internship with pretty good stipend

You see, I value time and would hate to waste my only life at an online forum Wink

Quote from: edgycorner on February 14, 2018, 05:38:39 AM

Let me guess, your alts got freed? Roll Eyes

TF dude, why would I need an alt here.Stop judging people on how "you are".

Joel_Jantsen

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Quote from: edgycorner on February 14, 2018, 05:38:39 AM

Not "a lot", most of them were tagged by other DT members(like ibminer).As for the others, I am sure Quickseller will come up with a good solution to filter them out.

Starting from alt-accounts thread to ICO pumping accounts,I usually see comments from Lauda who investigates the matter and tags the account involved.I don't think ibminer does it on a scale as that of Lauda.

Quote from: edgycorner on February 14, 2018, 05:38:39 AM

Getting a negative trust was the most looked down thing before the tyranny of Lauda.He(it) was tagging people for their personal opinion too! Red trust was losing its value, it was turning into a cliche.

Maybe you can support such statements with relevant proofs ?Also 1 case out of 100 doesn't count. I don't see how "removing Lauda" is going to restore faith & integrity in the Red trust again.

Lauda

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Quote from: edgycorner on February 14, 2018, 05:38:39 AM

Not "a lot", most of them were tagged by other DT members(like ibminer).

It is not most of them. Simple example: Most abusers from the recent alts thread are not tagged by anyone.

Quote from: edgycorner on February 14, 2018, 05:38:39 AM

Getting a negative trust was the most looked down thing before the tyranny of Lauda.He(it) was tagging people for their personal opinion too! Red trust was losing its value, it was turning into a cliche.

That is a lie. The ratings that I have been leaving were proper in one way or another. Let me guess, your alts got freed? Roll Eyes

edgycorner

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Quote from: Joel_Jantsen on February 14, 2018, 05:11:17 AM

A lot of scammers will be roaming free..

Not "a lot", most of them were tagged by other DT members(like ibminer,vod,etcetra).As for the others, I am sure Quickseller will come up with a good solution to filter them out.

Getting a negative trust was the most looked down thing before the tyranny of Lauda.He(it) was tagging people for their personal opinion too! Red trust was losing its value, it was turning into a cliche.

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Quote from: Joel_Jantsen on February 14, 2018, 05:11:17 AM

Out of all the people removed,Lauda was the most deserving person to be there.I hope this somehow settles with only Lauda put back to that list.In terms of forum contribution (without taking negative feedbacks left into consideration) Lauda does the most.

A lot of scammers will be roaming free..

It might seem that they are free as a bird, not to mention if all the users got red tagged by Lauda create another account, I could not think what's going to happen next. *very undesirable* outcome indeed.

Nevertheless Majority attacks the minority is surely have a higher chance of winning.

Lauda

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Quote from: Joel_Jantsen on February 14, 2018, 05:11:17 AM

I hope this somehow settles with only Lauda put back to that list.

Doubtful given the situation:

Quote from: Lauda on February 14, 2018, 03:47:49 AM

HostFat excluded me because of my statements, and later ratings on bcash scammers (ratings which theymos said were valid to leave). Cheesy

TC will not likely answer an inquiry (given he is/was MIA) and OgNasty's exclusions[1] are.. well I'll let you decide on that one.
[1] All of these:

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TMAN
   Lauda
   isoneguy
   aTriz
   minifrij
   EcuaMobi
   cryptodevil
   suchmoon
   owlcatz
   Zepher
   The Pharmacist
   Lutpin
   Hhampuz

Anyhow, thanks for the post (you && others).

Joel_Jantsen

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Get your game girl

Out of all the people removed,Lauda was the most deserving person to be there.I hope this somehow settles with only Lauda put back to that list.In terms of forum contribution (without taking negative feedbacks left into consideration) Lauda does the most.

A lot of scammers will be roaming free..

Lauda

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Quote from: cheater detector on February 14, 2018, 05:03:10 AM

Now these account (which already got negged by Lauda) back to neutral trust again after s/he got removed from DT2 and these cheater will start to cheat again.

That's what OP wants. He is/was the mastermind of farming and account sales after all.

Quote from: Husires on February 14, 2018, 05:04:59 AM

actmyname (After a step) and ibminer "anyone tagging scammers"

This:

Quote from: Lauda on February 14, 2018, 04:42:14 AM

However, before you spend your time on this you better make sure that you don't get suddenly excluded yourself for no-valid-reason-whatsoever, else your efforts are going to be wasted. Roll Eyes

I wouldn't even recommend that you go through that list unless theymos makes changes to DT1, which is not likely either.

Given the collusion, it is not unlikely that actmyname is going to receive 1 more exclusion. ibminer is *safer*.

Husires

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Quote from: pugman on February 14, 2018, 03:38:04 AM

Oh come on..
You have got to be kidding me. First,The Pharmacist and now Lauda?
Who's next?

actmyname (After a step) and ibminer "anyone tagging scammers"

Quote from: Cobalt9317 on February 14, 2018, 04:56:38 AM

All I see is a long list of username couldn't decipher how that works.

Could someone explain it to me like I'm little child so I could comprehend what's going on here Huh

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;full

Quote from: Lauda on February 14, 2018, 04:42:14 AM

I wouldn't even recommend that you go through that list unless theymos makes changes to DT1, which is not likely either.

That's what will happen

cheater detector

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Oh damn, who will negged all scammers/cheaters then?

I have revealed 88 cheater accounts on here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/known-alts-of-any-one-a-user-generated-list-mk-iii-2021-q2-2544574

Now these account (which already got negged by Lauda) back to neutral trust again after s/he got removed from DT2 and these cheater will start to cheat again.

minifrij

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How beneficial to the forum. Whatever.

Quote from: Lauda on February 14, 2018, 03:38:39 AM

Let's see.. number of valid exclusions: N/A. Tomatocage just copied (most of) OgNasty's exclusions:

I think it's quite funny that TC previously left me a positive rating for a deal that never happened, but now I'm less active than ever I'm suddenly not to be trusted.

Quote from: Quickseller on February 14, 2018, 03:23:49 AM

I would argue that if either Blazed or hilariousandco does not remove Lauda from their trust list in light of the above, they should be removed from being trusted directly by DefaultTrust.

You're wrong. Whether you disagree with it or not, the system is working as intended. No one should be punished for using it as such.

FFrankie

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Well if all the people that leave tons of negatives are now no longer DT, who is going to make people red

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All I see is a long list of username couldn't decipher how that works.

Could someone explain it to me like I'm little child so I could comprehend what's going on here Huh

actmyname

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Spear the bees

Quote from: Parodium on February 14, 2018, 04:42:56 AM

One of the issues with negging so many people is that it forces them to create a new account, with the knowledge of what to avoid doing in future to avoid another neg.

What if negs by DT members were not visible to the user themselves, but only to other logged in members? Obviously there are some flaws to this idea, but I believe it could slow down the rate at which accounts are created and ditched.

They usually notice when they're kicked out of their signature campaigns or are told by other users that they wish to trade with, "you have red trust".

Doesn't do much. And also, isn't making people avoid getting tagged a good thing? They'll stop scamming. They will avoid ponzi schemes. Etc.

The only problem is discreet account selling... which you can't avoid regardless.

I see no benefit in making red trust unnoticeable to the user that is tagged. It would use some extra server resources and overall have little to no point.

Parodium

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One of the issues with negging so many people is that it forces them to create a new account, with the knowledge of what to avoid doing in future to avoid another neg.

What if negs by DT members were not visible to the user themselves, but only to other logged in members? Obviously there are some flaws to this idea, but I believe it could slow down the rate at which accounts are created and ditched.

Lauda

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Quote from: actmyname on February 14, 2018, 04:27:54 AM

Quote from: Lauda on February 14, 2018, 04:17:09 AM

With over (I believe) 1500 ratings left, good luck with that. You'd be playing whack-a-mole unless you tag almost all of them.

Assuming it takes 4 minutes per rating to investigate the validity of the reference and tag, that's 100 hours of work. On just the ratings. :/

It's a huge timesink even with some rating overflow from other DT users.

Indeed it is. Though it is easier for you to reproduce (time wise) than it was for me to initially get to some rating (e.g. reading the whole thread if exists, writing the ratings and whatnot). However, before you spend your time on this you better make sure that you don't get suddenly excluded yourself for no-valid-reason-whatsoever, else your efforts are going to be wasted. Roll Eyes

I wouldn't even recommend that you go through that list unless theymos makes changes to DT1, which is not likely either.

pugman

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Quote from: actmyname on February 14, 2018, 04:15:40 AM

Quote from: pugman on February 14, 2018, 03:56:28 AM

How do you see who has excluded who in their trust lists? I am in noob in this.

Jump into hierarchal view in your trust settings and you can check exclusions by DT{0, 1, ..., n-1} members (where n = depth).

Hmm.. It should take a few hours(excluding the time spent offline) but thanks.

Quote from: actmyname on February 14, 2018, 04:27:54 AM

Quote from: Lauda on February 14, 2018, 04:17:09 AM

With over (I believe) 1500 ratings left, good luck with that. You'd be playing whack-a-mole unless you tag almost all of them.

Assuming it takes 4 minutes per rating to investigate the validity of the reference and tag, that's 100 hours of work. On just the ratings. :/

It's a huge timesink even with some rating overflow from other DT users.

Or you could delegate or ask some other DT member like say ibminer to split the task. Huh

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