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Quote from: Smartvirus on February 13, 2024, 06:49:42 PM

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Quote from: goldkingcoiner on February 05, 2024, 10:39:27 AM

Jobs that are easier to obtain get paid less due to the fact that almost anyone can do them. Too much competition is bad for job pay.

The market regulates itself. At least that is how I see it.

That person who worked their youth off earning a degree and is now using it to apply their skills and get paid, deserves it too and hence the pay discrimination will always be present.

Hence people should not be lazy and work hard to find their passion and pursue it to be able to reach a job that is keeping their satisfied and paid.

Nothing humans actually do to improve themselves is a waste. While there are those that goes through some institutions of formal learning, some might go through some technical schools while others might just attach themselves to established persons in a skill with hopes of learning and acquiring that skill.
You shouldn’t expect there not to be a discrimination in the pay grade. Even on the forum, there is a discrimination on pay grade for campaigns based on attachment/experience as projected by the ranking.

There are careers with backings and recommendations as against others and that’s what a very gives you as against someone that doesn’t have any certification. One who has gone through the stress and haven’t spent resources in acquiring a certification and practical knowledge in a field definitely deserves more.

Improvement is necessary; no one disputes that. Let's get to the point: value, right? Formal education, technical training, and mentorship all have benefits. The catch: value isn't viewed equally. That's reality, not cynicism. Pay grade discrimination is about how you use what you know and who you know. Certifications are important, but so is innovation and adaptability. Think Bitcoin. It defied convention, and look where it is. Adding something unique is key

Those with credentials and experience? Of course they deserve praise. We shouldn't ignore self-taught geniuses. They work hard, learn, and push boundaries. In addition to climbing standard ladders, you can build new ones for others. We must embrace that spirit

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Quote from: YUriy1991 on February 13, 2024, 10:27:47 AM

Regarding sales, there are always differences between skilled and unskilled workers.

It's hard to learn and be good with that. Some talented people can say that it is for them and the majority of us would just avoid any type of work related to it.
And for that reason the pay is much higher for the talented ones and to those that don't have much experience and can't deliver good results to the company at the beginning might just receive the starting salary very low.

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Quote from: goldkingcoiner on February 05, 2024, 10:39:27 AM

Jobs that are easier to obtain get paid less due to the fact that almost anyone can do them. Too much competition is bad for job pay.

The market regulates itself. At least that is how I see it.

That person who worked their youth off earning a degree and is now using it to apply their skills and get paid, deserves it too and hence the pay discrimination will always be present.

Hence people should not be lazy and work hard to find their passion and pursue it to be able to reach a job that is keeping their satisfied and paid.

Nothing humans actually do to improve themselves is a waste. While there are those that goes through some institutions of formal learning, some might go through some technical schools while others might just attach themselves to established persons in a skill with hopes of learning and acquiring that skill.
You shouldn’t expect there not to be a discrimination in the pay grade. Even on the forum, there is a discrimination on pay grade for campaigns based on attachment/experience as projected by the ranking.

There are careers with backings and recommendations as against others and that’s what a very gives you as against someone that doesn’t have any certification. One who has gone through the stress and haven’t spent resources in acquiring a certification and practical knowledge in a field definitely deserves more.

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That is the reality in the field, because each person's abilities certainly vary, it's just that here we need a little wise language if we really need them from workers who are Man Power. However, on the other hand, there are also those who are skilled in their fields, even though their work looks like they do what we visually see falls into the category of manual work. Regarding sales, there are always differences between skilled and unskilled workers.

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Quote from: goldkingcoiner on February 05, 2024, 10:39:27 AM

Jobs that are easier to obtain get paid less due to the fact that almost anyone can do them. Too much competition is bad for job pay.

The market regulates itself. At least that is how I see it.

This is something that everyone does to realize or they realize but they dont accept it. Easier to get jobs are plenty, gig workers are in huge number does not mean that their job pays huge as per the amount of physical labor they have to undergo or mental pressure they have to sustain and the lack of job security.

That person who worked their youth off earning a degree and is now using it to apply their skills and get paid, deserves it too and hence the pay discrimination will always be present.

Hence people should not be lazy and work hard to find their passion and pursue it to be able to reach a job that is keeping their satisfied and paid.

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Quote from: kentrolla on December 16, 2023, 02:01:46 PM

There has always been a huge difference in the pay scale between the white collar jobs and blue collar or skilled labor wherein the later one put in more effort physically and do more hardwork than the earlier one.

Should there be market correction done for skilled labors?

Some will say that an white collar employee is more mentally drained out hence they deserve better pay but people who do menial job stop working the world will just rot as everything cannot be done but robots and AI.

It's sometimes sad to see how they are treated disrespectfully, be it a waiter, delivery workers, cab drivers, carpenter, or construction workers as they are the pillars and without them things will start falling apart. I know some of these can be automated but not everything.

I do not think we should be ranking fair job pay based on how mentally or how physically draining the job is. If there are too many blue collar workers, then obviously the job market will be over saturated and no boss will wish to pay anything but the cheapest rate. And due to blue collar jobs not requiring any higher education, basically everyone is qualified.

Jobs that are easier to obtain get paid less due to the fact that almost anyone can do them. Too much competition is bad for job pay.

The market regulates itself. At least that is how I see it.

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because there are so many people doing it like that, so they are scrambling to do it so that their payment for wages will be low because people are competing to do it, they can learn from their family or from their friends at no cost, in contrast to workers who are paid well, because they need money to learn the skills, and not everyone wants to learn that.

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Quote from: blckhawk on January 31, 2024, 06:49:29 AM

I do think there should be a pay correction but more than that, there should be a drastic pay raise for everyone, the current minimum wage isn't a good amount of money already to survive daily so I believe that a big raise in salary in all collars of job is a must and not to mention that this debate is just a thing that will divide the workers so they don't see that it's the big businesses that's the problem
Before anyone can say that it's impossible to do a raise, a lot of companies have already done that and they've gotten more profit because they've got a happier employees that are willing to work for them.

That will surely cause inflation, and then even the big salaries those companies you mentioned are already paying to their employees wouldn't be enough to survive. If someone thinks he's not paid enough for his work, he should be looking for another place, where he will be appreciated. And everyone is not paying enough, then maybe the profession isn't exactly in high demand and you you should switch to another one.

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I am not after discriminating any of the above categories but I can say to this that it there must be district of payment differences, then "technical job nature" in both white collar or Skil based job should should be considered an utmost more payable. This is as a result of working critically and mathematically in other to bring results or achieving a a goal (target)

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Quote from: trendcoin on January 30, 2024, 07:09:11 PM

The free market determines everything. Nobody should think that they are gods and that they can fix things by taking on certain tasks... For example, if there are not enough carpenters in a region and the demand for carpentry work is increasing, carpenters make a lot of money. Everything is as simple as that. If society's needs change and they prefer mass-produced furniture with minimal designs, carpenters will earn less money and the carpentry profession will fall out of favor... Everything is about the balance of supply and demand. Coercive interventions into this balance from outside are the same as playing god...

The free market is a beast of its own making, but to imagine it gets by without human intervention is foolish. Leadership shapes the atmosphere where wealth and scarcity occur, yet to disregard this is to overlook half the story. Policies and laws set the setting for leaders. They create the market's sandbox, opposing and uniting forces

Monopolies might restrict competition, patent trolls could inhibit innovation, and sectors could collapse under short-sighted greed without good policy. It's not about intervening for the sake of intervening; it's about making the game fair, getting the rules right, and making the market truly free, not just for the major players. Thus, the appropriate leader may improve life by protecting the values that keep the market dynamic and open to everybody

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I do think there should be a pay correction but more than that, there should be a drastic pay raise for everyone, the current minimum wage isn't a good amount of money already to survive daily so I believe that a big raise in salary in all collars of job is a must and not to mention that this debate is just a thing that will divide the workers so they don't see that it's the big businesses that's the problem
Before anyone can say that it's impossible to do a raise, a lot of companies have already done that and they've gotten more profit because they've got a happier employees that are willing to work for them.

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Quote from: kentrolla on December 16, 2023, 02:01:46 PM

There has always been a huge difference in the pay scale between the white collar jobs and blue collar or skilled labor wherein the later one put in more effort physically and do more hardwork than the earlier one.

Should there be market correction done for skilled labors?

Some will say that an white collar employee is more mentally drained out hence they deserve better pay but people who do menial job stop working the world will just rot as everything cannot be done but robots and AI.

It's sometimes sad to see how they are treated disrespectfully, be it a waiter, delivery workers, cab drivers, carpenter, or construction workers as they are the pillars and without them things will start falling apart. I know some of these can be automated but not everything.

I believe wages are determined by a combination of the value a worker brings and the dynamics of supply and demand. For jobs with low skill requirements and abundant worker supply, the pay is typically low. Even with low pay, applicants abound. So, why would the company raise wages? However, when worker supply is scarce, even for blue-collar jobs, companies offer higher wages due to the critical need for their workforce. Ultimately, supply and demand dictate wages. White-collar jobs have higher skill requirements, leading to a smaller talent pool and generally higher pay compared to blue-collar jobs.

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The free market determines everything. Nobody should think that they are gods and that they can fix things by taking on certain tasks... For example, if there are not enough carpenters in a region and the demand for carpentry work is increasing, carpenters make a lot of money. Everything is as simple as that. If society's needs change and they prefer mass-produced furniture with minimal designs, carpenters will earn less money and the carpentry profession will fall out of favor... Everything is about the balance of supply and demand. Coercive interventions into this balance from outside are the same as playing god...

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Quote from: South Park on December 16, 2023, 02:39:50 PM

This is just one more example of the supply and demand in action, if the job in question is something that anyone with minimum literacy can do then it is not going to be well payed no matter how much you do not like this situation, however if you have a rare skill, your specific profession is in high demand or you are simply very skilled on your particular profession then you are going to make a lot of money, now if even that is not enough for you then people should strive to create their own business or simply become an independent contractor so they can obtain even more profits from their skills.

Work that is easy and can be done by many people without the special skills and responsibilities that must be had will certainly have a value that is difficult to get from what is done, and this is a cause and effect that cannot be avoided.agree that with the potential to have a special profession that is needed by users, they will get added value, which will certainly get a decent award.But don't turn a blind eye; there are still references to influence in every job that entrepreneurs sometimes don't make sense to do because of proximity or acquaintance.It is indeed better to be an entrepreneur for work done to your own ability and to get appreciation from those in need.

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Quote from: AicecreaME on January 25, 2024, 08:12:48 AM

I also don't understand why they have different kind of treatment.

The other one has a diploma and the other one don't have or maybe a college undergraduate, nevertheless, they both work to build something or to create something, so there should be no discrimination and they both deserve equal treatment when it comes to salary. However, since we live in a cruel world where power always bully those who are weak, that's why skilled laborer or any blue collar job employees gets only few bucks for their hard work.

Sad reality but it is what it is but let's be practical do you think if all people has the same rate or salary will there be a system inthe world or will therr be a balance? i know it harsh, but I don't discriminate in fact I salute those minimum wage earners but the thing is this is the world works, there will be people who will stay minimum wager no matter what they do, let's be real there is no such world where all people have the same status or in the same boat because if those then what will happen to us? Chaos without order, that's why we can only survive on our own, because no one will help us nothing but us, so what should we do? No matter what people say about your job keep on living because if you stop then you will starve, it is not a sin to be poor but dying still being poor is your fault.

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Quote from: AicecreaME on January 25, 2024, 08:12:48 AM

I also don't understand why they have different kind of treatment.

The other one has a diploma and the other one don't have or maybe a college undergraduate, nevertheless, they both work to build something or to create something, so there should be no discrimination and they both deserve equal treatment when it comes to salary. However, since we live in a cruel world where power always bully those who are weak, that's why skilled laborer or any blue collar job employees gets only few bucks for their hard work.

I don't think so. I think in most Western countries the power tries to protect those who are weak from bullies' attacks and this kind of governments are so strong that even in less developed countries governments act like they are doing the same. I think your government is fooling you paying you little and saying that everyone everywhere "gets only few bucks for their hard work". Overthrow your government. Many millions of people around the world live better lives because they did it at some point, in some places peacefully and in others not so, but there's enough resources for everyone in this world and governments that tell their people otherwise while robbing them should be overthrown.

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Quote from: kentrolla on December 16, 2023, 02:01:46 PM

There has always been a huge difference in the pay scale between the white collar jobs and blue collar or skilled labor wherein the later one put in more effort physically and do more hardwork than the earlier one.

Should there be market correction done for skilled labors?

Some will say that an white collar employee is more mentally drained out hence they deserve better pay but people who do menial job stop working the world will just rot as everything cannot be done but robots and AI.

It's sometimes sad to see how they are treated disrespectfully, be it a waiter, delivery workers, cab drivers, carpenter, or construction workers as they are the pillars and without them things will start falling apart. I know some of these can be automated but not everything.

Of course many people think as you say. A company will not progress without a great director, and a director will not be great without employees who are ready to work hard. This is mutual attachment.
But why is everyone's salary different, even the janitor's salary is lower than all other employees.

But we can ensure that the education level of all the people working in the office is definitely different. The higher the education level, the higher the salary you get. Apart from that, the level of experience and length of time they have worked can also influence the amount of salary they receive.

So when we are only able to work as a janitor, never envy those who are able to prepare financial accounting. No company has gone bankrupt because of a janitor, but many companies have gone bankrupt because of financial mismanagement.

Then who is able to take care of the financial sector? Those who have a high level of education, of course with the position of director.

This means that the director's risk is higher than that of the janitor.

Then, is it appropriate for them to receive more salary than others?

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Quote from: bakasabo on January 24, 2024, 06:01:29 AM

In my country teachers are also receive less than I think they should earn. I suppose in your country teachers also go on strike due low salaries. However you know that there is always "but". Dont know about your country, but in my teachers from small towns, or better say not from capital or top5 largest cities are the one who earn low. Do you know how teachers salary is formed? They have sort of a stake system. The more lessons you give, the more you earn. Music class teacher earns less than math class teacher. All teachers earn differently.

Like I've said before, if someone earns low, then he allowed others to pay him low. In example with teachers, they have chosen to be teachers on their own. Teachers never earn a lot, so they knew what they were coming. Those who complain that they earn low, there is always a possibility to find a better job. Maybe not instantly, maybe not even in their city or country, but there are jobs. So instead of sitting, complaining on faith, they would better stand and act.

The thing about current life that we have right now, is the fact that the free market decides their worth, you can say that is a good thing, you can say that it is a bad thing, but without UBI, it will leave some people poor.

A music teacher could be something that you can find easily, there could be a lot of them, and the "importance" the culture put into them could be lower, whereas a math teacher could be something harder to find, and that is why they can charge more, and the culture could care about that a lot more. In that situation, people who are math teachers would of course earn more, because they are more in demand.

This free market understanding could be something awesome, if we could just have UBI, that means, if everyone can provide money for shelter, food, health and education, nothing more, I do not mean like a mansion, not lobster every night, not private high edge medical care, I mean just basic human needs, if they can be covered, then free market is awesome, because poor would be covering their basic needs, and rich could build rockets to send their cars to space.

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Quote from: AicecreaME on January 25, 2024, 08:12:48 AM

I also don't understand why they have different kind of treatment.

The other one has a diploma and the other one don't have or maybe a college undergraduate, nevertheless, they both work to build something or to create something, so there should be no discrimination and they both deserve equal treatment when it comes to salary. However, since we live in a cruel world where power always bully those who are weak, that's why skilled laborer or any blue collar job employees gets only few bucks for their hard work.

Proper word will be not equal, but adequate their responsibility salary. Otherwise it will be a world collapse if professional worker or someone with diploma will earn the same as someone whos work require no special skills. It will dishonest, and people will go to work where work is easier. No one will study years to become a doctor, but instead will go to work as an administrator in nail salon.

Everyone deserve work and salary. But the amount of salary must be determined by amount work done or amount responsibility taken.

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I also don't understand why they have different kind of treatment.

The other one has a diploma and the other one don't have or maybe a college undergraduate, nevertheless, they both work to build something or to create something, so there should be no discrimination and they both deserve equal treatment when it comes to salary. However, since we live in a cruel world where power always bully those who are weak, that's why skilled laborer or any blue collar job employees gets only few bucks for their hard work.

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