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unions can help but they have their own policy agenda.

the issue remains that most employees dont know what payrises/promotions to expect what rate of pay to expect nor able to evaluate their work vs their colleagues work vs pay differences

unions could fight that companies should stop the random number picking of salaries and instead have businesses declare transparent tier system based on math of businesses operation
EG a business calculates how much value a certain task brings to the business of real labour to produce % profit

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EG take football(soccer)
if there was a mens and womans team of same level/league.
but the womans game ticket sales were $50 a ticket and only had 20k attendees per weekly game($1m)
where as the make game ticket sales were $80 a ticket and had 40k attendees per weekly game($3.2m)
(its actually true female same league demand/fanbase desire for tickets is less than male league.. thats economics not sexism)

the fair system is each of the 20 players had a rating of 2% if they played on pitch. 4% if they scored. and 1% if they just sat on the sidelines
a female player that played and scored 2 goals would rightfully and fairly get 10% of $1m ticket income ($100k)
a female player that played and scored 0 goals would rightfully and fairly get 2% of $1m ticket income ($20k)
a female player that sat at sidelines would rightfully and fairly get 1% of $1m ticket income ($10k)

a male player that played and scored 2 goals would rightfully and fairly get 10% of $3.2m ticket income ($320k)
a male player that played and scored 0 goals would rightfully and fairly get 2% of $3.2m ticket income ($64k)
a male player that sat at sidelines would rightfully and fairly get 1% of $3.2m ticket income ($32k)

this would be transparent and clear and fair. compared to a system of certain people sitting at the sidelines thinking they deserve to be paid $320k just because "im a footballer too, just like the top footballer" mentality

White-collar jobs and blue-collar jobs will forever have a price difference, if it were that easy, everyone would have an engineer, a lawyer and a pharmacist in their house but it is because there is a speciality and things you must undergo before you become one. You pay for lectures and school fees, you struggle to pass some courses, you struggle to pay for textbooks, you struggle to write final exams that may only graduate a few and you think you want to compare them with any craft person who can learn vocational courses and open shop, it doesn't work that way even though they are important in the society. What are you going to call a medical doctor and a processing engineer? If these two people alone stop their work or do a bad job, half of the world will die under a year. Last year when we had coronavirus, if not for the aid of medical doctors, the world would probably be dead now, don't you think?



Disrespected in what way, maybe you can say some people who don't value their craft and work but there is nothing that is useless IMO, respect is reciprocal when you treat anyone well, you get treated. Without Carpenter, there wouldn't be a roof and I'm sure he charges everyone according to the type of service they need, without cab drivers companies such as Uber, and Bolt wouldn't function, they make good money from what they do, some even earn more than some white collar jobs and we have seen cases where some people with white collar jobs do bolt in their free time. There is nothing like disrespect, there are cases where CEOs or head of companies disrespect their workers, so there is nothing discriminate in what you are saying.

Unions represent workers and advocate for better conditions and wages. It symbolizes solidarity by amplifying individual concerns into a powerful chorus. However, consider the economic effects. Unions advocate for workers' rights, which is good, but they can raise corporate costs. In a time of cost-cutting and efficiency, unions' push may hasten automation. A tricky balance, right? Workers' rights must be protected, but economic realities must be considered.

Automation is mostly driven by technology, not unions. Companies naturally choose automation for efficiency and cost savings. Should we regulate automation to save jobs? Possible, but cautious. Overregulation may impede innovation and competition. Protecting workers' rights while embracing technological innovation is complicated. How do you strike this balance?

I would like to take this thread which is already about the relationship between the different kinds of work positions to ask you all: What are you personal opinions or thoughts about Unions?  

Do you think it is good people of a certain branch of the industry or profession are able to get together and fight for better conditions in their workplaces?
I have encounter all kind of positions on the internet from people who are either in favor or oppose Unions. The biggest anti union talking point I have seen online are allegations about them being some kind of accelerator for big corporations to invest even more into automation processes, so they won't deal with unionized Human beings. Which got me thinking that perhaps there should be some regulation concerning those efforts to completely ditch regular workers.

To be honest, even if there was no union in this planet and in any country, I would be still expect big companies to push further to decrease the number of there personel untill those numbers to become as small as possible, all for the sake of better profits, of course.

The current job is a salary based on experience and education. manual labor if high flying hours experience a lot of skill will be rewarded with high salaries too.
For example, if the labor is not valued, people who have the ability and skills will choose to leave and be self-employed to make money independently with their skills.

In many countries the wages based on the religion and age was already ended.In only some of the developing countries the average wage will be paid.Now the trend based the age and experience of the workers will be cause of now to paying the salaries to them.The corporate people will change the demo location based salary to their employees.The law was created in a way to reduce their discrimination against the employees income.But in some county law was in the paper and never implemented.Some countries just keep in law and depressed the people by less wages,sad part is government help the corporate to do this to their own people.

Employers could be treated or paid differently based on their religion,age,race or ethnicity.Employers must be paid equally if they're doing substantially everything required of them from the company or employer.
 
 Pay discrimination can occur as a result of mismanagement of funds from employers,or inadequate required performance task.Equality an impartiality should always be at the back of our minds.So long as they are part of the leading roles that contributed to the companys growth.
Old of young should be treated equally.

But it's rare that a white collar job was abandoned and a blue collar one was picked instead, innit? Blue collar jobs that are highly paid, first, they can be risky, like you rightly said, second, they can be extremely hard to do. Overall I agree with OP that there should be market correction done for skilled labors, only in my opinion, it's dome already in most places. If you are a blue collar worker and you feel like you are underpaid, move to another region then.

The payments can never be the same because the jobs or the works are now t the same. I think white collar jobs which are also known as government jobs have fixed amount to pay while the skill labour workers have different in salaries. Some skill workers received their payment in weekly while some monthly but government workers received theirs monthly.

The menial workers really help the world in many ways. They are the once fixing everything on the streets and homes. And their payments are different in the nature of the work.

Some blue-collar jobs that pay well that I could think of can be dangerous to your life, it might sound simple to do but the fact that it might affect your health is one of the reasons it pays well. It could be in demand as we know that it could pay up well but some wouldn't like to sacrifice their comfort, convenience, and safety for the sake of money. In the end, it still depends on your preferability, some people who have degrees and educational backgrounds still prefer to work in a blue-collar job, one factor could be that they prefer to be tired physically than their mental health be drained by office work. Still, no matter what kind of jobs, we're all contributing to the economy as we pay taxes, the higher your salary, the higher the tax as well.

The pay given by a job will vary depending on how difficult is the job itself, the demand for it from different businesses and the number of people willing to do it, and there are many blue collar jobs that pay very well as they are in high demand and not many people want to do them, probably because there has been a tendency to look down on those that do those jobs or because they can be risky unlike a white collar job, but whatever the reason those jobs can be a good option for those that do not like their white collar job and may desire a career change which gave them a better pay.

You know, all I can say is that we shouldn't discriminate against our neighbors; as long as they don't do anything bad, let's respect each other. Also, I don't see anything wrong if a person has a low-class job.

It does not mean, for example, that they are garbage collectors or janitors; they will be discriminated against. That is wrong because when it comes to paying taxes, we are all equal, whether we are rich or poor. We should respect them if we want others to respect us.

There are tons of blue collar job that pays well. The problem is, not a lot of people want to take the job. There are tradesmen that makes as much as a good software developer does, and there are some white collared jobs that pays as much as an entry-level electrician. It all boils down to experience and location where these jobs are offered, and the amount of effort that is exerted for that job to get it done. At the end of the day, there's a lot of factors at play that affects the pay rate of these jobs. Everyone can be a driver, but not everyone can be a tech expert without proper education; and everyone can be a receptionist, but not everyone can be a steel worker. You get the idea.

I think the type of government is the one to be blame. When it should be making laws for equality for white and blue collars,  so that there will be no discrimination that is going to happen. Equality when it comes to respect and appreciation, and not on the amount of wages because for obvious reason, college graduates have always gained advantage from undergraduate due to higher educational achievement.  But still the government should still impose minimum amount of wages for these blue collar workers that would pay for their skills they applied In their respective jobs.

There has always been a huge pay gap between white-collar jobs and skilled labor. In a limited workplace with skilled laborers and white-collar workers, skilled workers such as drivers, technicians, attendants, and chefs are underpaid, even though they are the backbone of the company. White-collar workers perform fewer tasks but earn higher salaries. If we start paying all employees the same regardless of their educational background, undergraduates will be discouraged from working and earning a living as white-collar workers, preferring to enter the workforce as skilled labor rather than white-collar jobs. This alone will degrade our educational system because people go to school in hopes of finding better jobs that will pay well in the future.

Actually this is a new issue as at least 25% of college taught people with 'brainy' degrees will be worthless with AI.

Now that makes all colleges at risk economically since why get an accounting degree it is worthless AI is better.

It is a new world.

Nurses and doctors would have value but many college educated people would have fully replaceable jobs.

Hard physical jobs may become the better way for many people.


But I have to imagine that colleges will push back or go broke.

I will likely die before that all straightens out I would think 25-35 years time before we see how it shakes out.


that would mean I would be 92-102 years old so I don't worry so much about it.

I see what you mean and I agree with you in general, but let me tell you that someone without any proper education can create a project, if that person from wealthy family like Donald Trump and others. Overall 30% of all them billionaires are coming from wealthy families. Not all of them are uneducated but many of them could create a project(with the help of others) and be successful being not educated at the same time.

The gap between white-collar suits and blue-collar grit has been gaping wider than a broken bridge for way too damn long. It ain't just about fat wallets for fancy folks versus calloused hands for the hard hats, it's about a whole messed-up way of thinking that says some jobs are worth more than others just because they involve pushing papers instead of pipes.

Sure, a desk job might leave you with a sore neck and a caffeine addiction, but let's not pretend the physical grind of blue-collar work is a picnic. To say their paychecks don't reflect their value is like saying a car can run without an engine – pure baloney.

And don't even get me started on the outdated pecking order of professions. Calling a doctor more important than a garbage collector is like saying a fancy fork is better than a trusty shovel – they both serve a damn purpose, right? Every job, every skill, is a piece in the puzzle of society. Teachers build minds, farmers feed bellies, delivery folks keep the goods flowing – without them, the whole picture falls apart faster than a house of cards in a hurricane.

People cant really just accept the reality eh? They do really like to get in line or level into those people who had spend up time and effort on achieving on finishing up their degree and honing up their ideas and skills for a specific job and now they are asking for having that similar pay? it is really just that for a demand and we know that it cant just be possible.Its true that they arent getting paid up high for some physical hardwork that they would really be doing but rather they are paid for the idea and the brain that they do have because running a company isnt really just that doing some hardjob physically but rather it would really be needing to be that strategic. So if the results were that positive then it is really that just because of the main brain of the said company. Workers are really just that implementing or really just that doing the job.

If you are really that been placed at the bottom then its better not to make your mind being hassled or being bothered with this kind of idea because no matter how hard you do
there's no way that these things would be changed up or would be considered. Somehow there are indeed places or countries on which they are really that giving importance or priorities on higher
pay into those who are really exterting that much effort or something that dirty jobs (literally) which do get some better pay.

Every type of job has different pay as they have different ways of contributing to the companies. We know that being in a blue-collar job is ain't easy as well for a white-collar job, cause some of the work needs some knowledge that wouldn't be learned in just days or months but it takes years which is applicable for white-collar. From that, we could already understand why they have higher pay than a blue-collar job cause they are being paid by their knowledge and brain.

Now for the blue-collar, they are important for our industry cause without them we don't have employees that contribute as well, but they are being paid only for their efforts, skills, physical, etc. which can be learned by simply having instructions for days or months. Let's say an engineer guides you to do something and of course, you are not aware of how to do it, but after you got instructed you done it, you are getting paid.