Topic: Pay discrimination - page 8. (Read 1336 times)

Good question.  Skilled laborers definitely don't get paid what they deserve even though our society would fall apart without them.  White collar jobs might need more schooling or be more mentally tiring, but that doesn't mean manual work isn't just as important and   

i think there should be a change so skilled laborers get better pay.  Their work matters as much as office jobs, so they ought to earn enough to live comfortably.   

But its tricky - wages can't just shoot up overnight.  We need programs to teach laborers new abilities too so they can succeed with all the tech nowadays.  Education matters alongside better pay.

If you come to look at it, jobs like like this are the most hard working job which is really draining and stressful,  people like this really needs  better income to appreciate them because they are going through a lot with the kind of job they are going through.  But I feel their is nothing that can be done about it because  before now it has been concluded jobs like this are meant for those who do not have  more qualifications, they can easily get jobs like this.

And blue collar jobs deserve the salary increase that they demand because of their capabilities to do in a work, they do physical work activities which requires additional pay. Nobody is looking down on blue collar jobs but sometimes, people treated you based on your job or educational background which is definitely discrimination. Correct me if I'm wrong but there are some countries who gives well compensation to their blue collar job workers because they believe that the salary should be balance based on the weight of the work.

Salary or job payment is not only determined by the effort or stress you put into the work, but it's also affected the percentage of supply and demand of the workers who are able to do the job. Less people can do the high-skilled work on white-collar job compared to the people who has the skill to do blue collar job. Thus the market make the adjustment on the price of those work, high-skilled people has the leverage to demand for higher salary because not many people can do their job, employer doesn't have much of a choice. On the opposite, when blue-collar worker who do low-skilled job demands for higher salary, employer can just replace him with other people who are willing to do the job with less salary, that is how free market capitalism work.

If blue collar jobs pay can be increased as they do for the white collar jobs, it will be nice. This discrimination we are talking about can also be viewed from another perspective. If there was no one with deep knowledge who had gone to school to teach the craftsmen about their work, there will be no work for them to do.

In the same way, if there’s no new innovations to make the craftsmen manage their work well, there will be no options to what they can do with the little knowledge they’ve mastered over the years. There is a reason why the system is designed this way, it can’t be changed but can be adjusted to favor the blue collar workers too.

I have also worked in executive and employee positions, or even low-income labor jobs, so I can understand somewhat about fairness in life. Through money, it is possible to measure the value of that work, but it does not always reflect the true value, because there will still be many cases of narrow-mindedness with personal benefits just for profit. But I understand that fairness in life will always lead us to the results to which we have responded.

If someone makes an effort to learn everything in life and apply that knowledge to their jobs, I have no doubt that they will not be satisfied with what they receive. So the levels of knowing > understanding > applying > creativity reflect the true value of our abilities in life.

while i do believe that blue collar jobs deserve better salaries and better treatment in general we also have to consider the fact that you have to earn a degree to be equipped to have white collar jobs education is expensive and they all at least put some money into their education not only financially challenging but also of course mentally as well hence why they have higher salaries because not everyone can do what they do even with proper education

This kind of discrimination is deeply embedded in our social system. It is very sad.  If we look carefully, we can see that blue collar workers work hard but their pay and appreciation are low.  Have we thought about what happens to wax dolls like us if they stop working?  It is very sad indeed. But somehow we are also involved in this group of discriminators.

The market corrects itself. If we want to do things ourselves that is when the world would be in chaos. Imagine increasing the salaries of waiters to be more than or equal to that of a college graduate, what do you think would happen? People took loans to get a degree and now they've been handed an opportunity that they can make as much as if they never had to take those loans.

One of the things would happen:
1. If the salaries of college graduates are not increased, the number of graduates would reduce because there would be no point in wasting years when you can do jobs that pay more without any formal training. We all know the impact of an economy without many educated people.

2.  If the market fixes itself and increases the salaries of college graduates, it would take us back to where we are today, the only difference is, that it would be with an inflation higher than this.
People would be on high salaries, even unskilled labor so it means more money in the hands of people and that will in turn cause the prices of goods to increase.

I agree that unskilled labor should be paid higher than what it is right now, but that particular economic market and minimum wage decides.
What I advocate for is for these workers to be treated fairly. Some customers treat people like trash, and that's something I hate to my bone. The more classics, the more it gets worse. Something else I hate is their bosses treating them like trash too and even refusing to pay them what they have earned.
Funny enough, some bosses of white-collar jobs still treat their workers like shit.

All work is paid according to ability, if it is not like that then it is not fair. But low work should not be underestimated, and people who underestimate low work are wrong. Everyone has the right to be respected regardless of their work.

Equating salaries between people who have abilities and those who don't is real discrimination. The best way to improve things is to improve our abilities so that we are worthy of being paid more. One of the reasons low level workers have low salaries is because they do not need special skills so many people are ready to replace them if they don't want to work anymore. On the other hand, if a job requires special abilities, they will be paid handsomely because the company will have difficulty finding a replacement if they don't want to work anymore.

Blue-collar workers should be treated fairly. But this doesn't mean they should get the same treatment with those who pursued degrees and further studies.

It doesn't mean that since a worker does tiring physical labor he/she deserves more than somebody who just sits on a soft swivel chair in a sleek office just talking over the phone and signing documents all day long.

This is the better setup. Turn this upside down and the entire civilized world might crumble down.

How can that is a discrimination? when you born, you're not programmed to become white collar or blue collar, you're free to choose which job you want depends on your skill. This is not like in India where your journey are completely depend on your parents, even you're smart and hard work but you're Dalits, you will be forced to work in dirty job or get paid less.

We can say it's discrimination when White people get paid higher than Black people, Christians get paid higher than Hinduism etc.

It would be great if the difference between the highest and lowest wages decreased, but it's just not possible.

The rule of supply and demand still applies. When we have too much supply of a category of labor, its price will automatically decrease. It's the case of non-specialized work force, composed by people who work on areas where further training and specialization isn't a must.

Meanwhile, naturally those who invested a lot of time, effort and money to develop their skills will have access to better paying jobs, mainly for two reasons: because the supply of qualified work force on the market is lower and due to qualifying themselves on areas which are hyped by the jobs market right now, especially technology and health sectors.

We can't go against this only complaining how unfair the world is. If we want to thrive in life, we have to adjust ourselves to the society's demands. You want a better paying job? So educate yourself, become a good professional and apply for that!

the only thing people can be sure about revolutions, is they always circle back to where they began

Oh yeah, the worker party , the revolutionary fight for the motherland...oh wait it was fatherland!
You know how all those movement in which workers united for their rights or more to terrorize others have ended?
Let me give you a few examples:
National Socialist German Workers' Party ...guess who those guys were  
Workers' Party of Kampuchea ...does PolPot ring a bell?
Russian Social Democratic Labour Party ...whats a few tens of million killed?

Can't wait to see how you workers are going to fuck the world again with your revolutions!

You make it sound as if the blue-collar worker’s not gonna get hit badly if such “correction” ever comes., you have to keep in mind that the ones at the top of the market are able to just pull the strings and save their asses as the boat sinks. So yeah, before you wish for comeuppance. Make sure that the ones you fight for don’t get hurt in the process.

Ever wondered why so many companies nowadays are pushing for AI workers, example being those automated servers/waiters in fastfood restos, as well as other automated task processors? This is so they can brace themselves for when blue-collar workers finally mutiny and defect from the current system to fight for their rights. Of course the automation narrative is there, but let’s not kid ourselves.

Don't worry, there will also be a market correction for them. Look at the jobs in the companies like McDonalds, people don't even want to apply for them anymore.

The pay is too low and they're like asking people to come and apply for them. When most people stopped living the life that they're dreaming of and they set to just live like having a normal life, there's no need to rush and start the dream life that they want.

Life is too stressful today so as these companies that have a lot of pay cut to simple jobs. But anyway, if we can't bear this disadvantage, what we need to do is to upskill.

I understand your statements. Now I guess it’s time you take the other side of this white collar vs. black collar debate. First and foremost, you have to understand that physical labor isn’t specifically the only thing that determines whether a job’s to be paid by the bulk or not. If anything, the brainpower is what matters most since they are the ones that make the market turn and work so these people who aren’t able to be as fortunate as those with white collar jobs could still get their employment and help the economy.

Don’t get me wrong, I stand for labor rights as well since I understand just how underpaid blue-collar workers are, but I don’t think it should be at the expense of the other spectrum’s misfortune. If anything,both salaries should be raised especially when you consider those at the upper echelons earning more than they have business with.

I vouch your thoughts as everyone should be appreciated for the work and shouldn't looked downwards because of their profession. I work for an Ecommerce giant wherein forget about blue collar workers but there is a differentiation between FTE (Full time employee) aka employees' on company's payroll and the contracted third part employees (HRO) as they are deprived of so many facilities and benefits which we enjoy though we do similar tasks.  

I know this is a vast topic where people will have different opinion as I have already seen in the replies to my topic but there should be a fair practice.

It’s not about how tiring the work is but rather the importance of the work is the one being paid. Surely hard labor jobs is very hard physically but there’s a lot of people can replace on this job compared to a white collar job such as pilot and other important job that is not easy to be replaced by normal people.

But there’s some exception to this when it already involves skills since some hard laborer manage to climb their rank through promotion using their skills. Promotion is the only way to get out on the low salary grade.