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Quote from: Iroh on January 24, 2024, 03:08:06 PM

Quote from: bakasabo on January 22, 2024, 11:22:38 AM

It sounds that admin earns more than a courier, but in real world it is much different. Courier can make more deliveries, knows bets routes, is ready to cycle for whole day, while admin works 9 to 5 5 days a week for a fix salary.

I don’t know what world In which a courier earns more than a administrator in a company or even a middle level manager in an organization but it’s certainly not the world you and I presently live in.
Couriers may work for longer hours or all day delivering packages and may get bonuses depending on the number of successful deliveries made. The combination of wages, bonuses and tips earned wouldn’t sum up to half of what an administrator in an organization would make for working same hours.

Just about anyone who could drive okay could get a job as a courier but not everyone could successfully manage and run smaller units or the whole of an organization.

Any country will suit. I will try to compare. Administrator works 5 days a week, 9 to 17 and has a fixed salary. Courier can work 7 days a week from 9 to 21 plus he get tipped. In my company sys admin earns around 1900 EUR, while courier earns around 100 EUR per day minus taxes delivery app fee for same working hours. Lets say it would be 60 EUR netto. Add more 2 working days or hours and courier earns more. Anyway he wont be able to work in such tempo for months.

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Quote from: Iroh on January 24, 2024, 03:08:06 PM

Quote from: bakasabo on January 22, 2024, 11:22:38 AM

It sounds that admin earns more than a courier, but in real world it is much different. Courier can make more deliveries, knows bets routes, is ready to cycle for whole day, while admin works 9 to 5 5 days a week for a fix salary.

I don’t know what world In which a courier earns more than a administrator in a company or even a middle level manager in an organization but it’s certainly not the world you and I presently live in.
Couriers may work for longer hours or all day delivering packages and may get bonuses depending on the number of successful deliveries made. The combination of wages, bonuses and tips earned wouldn’t sum up to half of what an administrator in an organization would make for working same hours.

Just about anyone who could drive okay could get a job as a courier but not everyone could successfully manage and run smaller units or the whole of an organization.

its complicated world we live in, in the marketing section the salary might be low but the bonus is high, it all depends on how important the job to the operation of a company in case of delivery company courier is the reason they could get the job done, of course they will incentivize completed delivery and will try to give a way for the courier to earn more so that they become more diligent in delivering the goods.
thats the complicated thing with having a job we should be smart enough to determine the potential earning and whether we can maximize our earning.
because otherwise we might get tricked and instead got the most stressful job with low wages.
but from business perspective this kind of thing giving incentives to the section that did most of the job basically the lifeline of a company is the most essential thing its the reason a company flourish.

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Quote from: kentrolla on December 16, 2023, 02:01:46 PM

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People doing skilled jobs do deserve fair compensation and in many situations the market does provide this. If someone has skills that require a good education, they will be able to demand higher wages than most unskilled jobs. However you should not necessarily get good pay just because your job is hard or unpleasant. Many cleaners will be on minimum wage, but they have the mobility to find other jobs or retrain. The trouble is that anyone can fill that position with very little training and at the bottom rung of the labor market there is plenty of competition. You should also not stifle progress, take a supermarket worker for example, some have been replaced by self checkout machines, but this could free people up to do other more interesting work.

People with skills requiring a good education can demand higher wages aligns with the principle of value recognition in the job market. Difficulty or unpleasantness in a job doesn't necessarily warrant higher pay underscores the importance of market demand and competition. People in less skilled positions having the option to seek other jobs or retrain emphasizes the importance of adaptability and mobility in navigating the job market. It recognizes that the labor market is dynamic, and individuals have the ability to explore different opportunities or acquire new skills.

While automation might replace certain roles, it can also open up opportunities for people to engage in more interesting and fulfilling work. This perspective sees progress and technological advancements as catalysts for evolution in the job market, potentially leading to a more diverse and engaging range of occupations.

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Quote from: Iroh on January 24, 2024, 03:08:06 PM

Quote from: bakasabo on January 22, 2024, 11:22:38 AM

It sounds that admin earns more than a courier, but in real world it is much different. Courier can make more deliveries, knows bets routes, is ready to cycle for whole day, while admin works 9 to 5 5 days a week for a fix salary.

I don’t know what world In which a courier earns more than a administrator in a company or even a middle level manager in an organization but it’s certainly not the world you and I presently live in.
Couriers may work for longer hours or all day delivering packages and may get bonuses depending on the number of successful deliveries made. The combination of wages, bonuses and tips earned wouldn’t sum up to half of what an administrator in an organization would make for working same hours.

Just about anyone who could drive okay could get a job as a courier but not everyone could successfully manage and run smaller units or the whole of an organization.

I think it's because that they earn commissions from the parcels that they delivery as a courier. Or if there are some sort of bonuses or perks relates to their productivity. That's possible but it's the same as working as an admin or staff in a company but it's way easier. While couriers are at the roads at most times, they really love doing their jobs, driving and going elsewhere. And yes, the tips are also a bonus to them if ever the customers are generous.

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Quote from: kentrolla on December 16, 2023, 02:01:46 PM

There has always been a huge difference in the pay scale between the white collar jobs and blue collar or skilled labor wherein the later one put in more effort physically and do more hardwork than the earlier one.

Should there be market correction done for skilled labors?

Some will say that an white collar employee is more mentally drained out hence they deserve better pay but people who do menial job stop working the world will just rot as everything cannot be done but robots and AI.

It's sometimes sad to see how they are treated disrespectfully, be it a waiter, delivery workers, cab drivers, carpenter, or construction workers as they are the pillars and without them things will start falling apart. I know some of these can be automated but not everything.

People doing skilled jobs do deserve fair compensation and in many situations the market does provide this. If someone has skills that require a good education, they will be able to demand higher wages than most unskilled jobs. However you should not necessarily get good pay just because your job is hard or unpleasant. Many cleaners will be on minimum wage, but they have the mobility to find other jobs or retrain. The trouble is that anyone can fill that position with very little training and at the bottom rung of the labor market there is plenty of competition. You should also not stifle progress, take a supermarket worker for example, some have been replaced by self checkout machines, but this could free people up to do other more interesting work.

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Quote from: bakasabo on January 22, 2024, 11:22:38 AM

It sounds that admin earns more than a courier, but in real world it is much different. Courier can make more deliveries, knows bets routes, is ready to cycle for whole day, while admin works 9 to 5 5 days a week for a fix salary.

I don’t know what world In which a courier earns more than a administrator in a company or even a middle level manager in an organization but it’s certainly not the world you and I presently live in.
Couriers may work for longer hours or all day delivering packages and may get bonuses depending on the number of successful deliveries made. The combination of wages, bonuses and tips earned wouldn’t sum up to half of what an administrator in an organization would make for working same hours.

Just about anyone who could drive okay could get a job as a courier but not everyone could successfully manage and run smaller units or the whole of an organization.

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Quote from: kentrolla on December 16, 2023, 02:01:46 PM

There has always been a huge difference in the pay scale between the white collar jobs and blue collar or skilled labor wherein the later one put in more effort physically and do more hardwork than the earlier one.

If you want a high-paying, skilled job, you should be working somewhere. You will be rated based on the service you render and not on your employment qualifications.

Skill jobs are good; in fact, they are part of the things that make an industry stand out, as those labourers are the ones handling more of the physical manpower work.

But if we also look at it the other way around, for those white collar orkers, those who sit in the office have some real jobs they are doing, which stress their brains, and they need to do some calculations in order for them to bring up something meaningful, which are the commands these people on the field work with.

It is all about supply and demand, and not even at global scale, it is on a local scale. So for example, imagine someone being a high skilled surgeon, normally that is a very high paying job isn't it? And another person who is a plumber, not a high paying job is it?

Well, if you put 100 people in a room, and hire based on their skill, if 10 of them are high skilled surgeon, and only 1 plumber exists, that plumber will make more money. So it is all about supply and demand, it will make you feel a lot better about it. I think it should be focused on what you could bring to the table and how unique it is. In some cases white collar is paid more, and in some cases blue collar is paid more, depending on the supply and demand structure of that place.

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Doctors and everything that is connected with medicine quickly comes to my mind. They learn hard, harder than most others students in other universities. The level of their responsibility is astronomical (1 error and the patient will die). But they did not earn as much as others. In our countries their average salary is around 800-2500 EUR, depends on if you are nurse, helper or specialist. And I remember construction workers, who drive on latest model BMW X5 or Porsche Cayenne, and all their knowledge is simple math for measurement, and they have physical strength. Back in 2010s, even a construction workers helper (a guy whos duties were moving materials) earned 30-50EUR per day. Then we get this topic where people talk about white and blue collar discrimination.

Should I remind you that teachers are underpaid? in fact, here in my country teachers are most unrated profession with the lowest pay in the salary scale. The doctors, engineers, lawyers and the rests with higher payments are being trained with the help of this teachers. Until we start to consider to teachers and show concerns over their payments, we are not ready to discuss about this pay discrimination. Doctors case is much understandable since they deal with lives and they are not suppose to be bothered with anything that can divide their attention. There is nothing that can cause distraction better than poverty. While we are having this discussion, remember some sets of people are sitting in one building saying "my lord" and they will receive a huge amount at the end every month. The system is just designed to favor some group of people.

In my country teachers are also receive less than I think they should earn. I suppose in your country teachers also go on strike due low salaries. However you know that there is always "but". Dont know about your country, but in my teachers from small towns, or better say not from capital or top5 largest cities are the one who earn low. Do you know how teachers salary is formed? They have sort of a stake system. The more lessons you give, the more you earn. Music class teacher earns less than math class teacher. All teachers earn differently.

Like I've said before, if someone earns low, then he allowed others to pay him low. In example with teachers, they have chosen to be teachers on their own. Teachers never earn a lot, so they knew what they were coming. Those who complain that they earn low, there is always a possibility to find a better job. Maybe not instantly, maybe not even in their city or country, but there are jobs. So instead of sitting, complaining on faith, they would better stand and act.

Addressing teacher pay disparities demands a deeper look at the payment system. Personal decision and the economy both matter. A complex web of supply, demand, and social values. Your salary structure illustrates a deeper issue: the need for a balanced approach to remuneration that incorporates quantity and quality of work. Education should be valued as a whole, not merely as its components

And then, bitcoin changes how we view and handle finance. Bitcoin provides a decentralized, transparent alternative to the old financial environment, not just a simpler transaction method. We support Bitcoin because we want a fairer financial system. A system where a profession like teaching is valued for its social value rather on obsolete economic paradigms

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Quote from: bakasabo on January 23, 2024, 04:45:13 AM

Doctors and everything that is connected with medicine quickly comes to my mind. They learn hard, harder than most others students in other universities. The level of their responsibility is astronomical (1 error and the patient will die). But they did not earn as much as others. In our countries their average salary is around 800-2500 EUR, depends on if you are nurse, helper or specialist. And I remember construction workers, who drive on latest model BMW X5 or Porsche Cayenne, and all their knowledge is simple math for measurement, and they have physical strength. Back in 2010s, even a construction workers helper (a guy whos duties were moving materials) earned 30-50EUR per day. Then we get this topic where people talk about white and blue collar discrimination.

Should I remind you that teachers are underpaid? in fact, here in my country teachers are most unrated profession with the lowest pay in the salary scale. The doctors, engineers, lawyers and the rests with higher payments are being trained with the help of this teachers. Until we start to consider to teachers and show concerns over their payments, we are not ready to discuss about this pay discrimination. Doctors case is much understandable since they deal with lives and they are not suppose to be bothered with anything that can divide their attention. There is nothing that can cause distraction better than poverty. While we are having this discussion, remember some sets of people are sitting in one building saying "my lord" and they will receive a huge amount at the end every month. The system is just designed to favor some group of people.

In my country teachers are also receive less than I think they should earn. I suppose in your country teachers also go on strike due low salaries. However you know that there is always "but". Dont know about your country, but in my teachers from small towns, or better say not from capital or top5 largest cities are the one who earn low. Do you know how teachers salary is formed? They have sort of a stake system. The more lessons you give, the more you earn. Music class teacher earns less than math class teacher. All teachers earn differently.

Like I've said before, if someone earns low, then he allowed others to pay him low. In example with teachers, they have chosen to be teachers on their own. Teachers never earn a lot, so they knew what they were coming. Those who complain that they earn low, there is always a possibility to find a better job. Maybe not instantly, maybe not even in their city or country, but there are jobs. So instead of sitting, complaining on faith, they would better stand and act.

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Quote from: bakasabo on January 23, 2024, 04:45:13 AM

Doctors and everything that is connected with medicine quickly comes to my mind. They learn hard, harder than most others students in other universities. The level of their responsibility is astronomical (1 error and the patient will die). But they did not earn as much as others. In our countries their average salary is around 800-2500 EUR, depends on if you are nurse, helper or specialist. And I remember construction workers, who drive on latest model BMW X5 or Porsche Cayenne, and all their knowledge is simple math for measurement, and they have physical strength. Back in 2010s, even a construction workers helper (a guy whos duties were moving materials) earned 30-50EUR per day. Then we get this topic where people talk about white and blue collar discrimination.

Should I remind you that teachers are underpaid? in fact, here in my country teachers are most unrated profession with the lowest pay in the salary scale. The doctors, engineers, lawyers and the rests with higher payments are being trained with the help of this teachers. Until we start to consider to teachers and show concerns over their payments, we are not ready to discuss about this pay discrimination. Doctors case is much understandable since they deal with lives and they are not suppose to be bothered with anything that can divide their attention. There is nothing that can cause distraction better than poverty. While we are having this discussion, remember some sets of people are sitting in one building saying "my lord" and they will receive a huge amount at the end every month. The system is just designed to favor some group of people.

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Quote from: Distinctin on January 22, 2024, 02:08:01 PM

Certainly not. Where there is high achievements and educational attainment, that's where higher advantage should be given. Because to be honest, schooling is not really easy, most especially if you are going on a masteral or doctorate degree, not only you should prepare yourself physically and emotionally, but most likely your finances as well. So probably, if you gain higher quality education, that's where a bigger compensation should go.

Doctors and everything that is connected with medicine quickly comes to my mind. They learn hard, harder than most others students in other universities. The level of their responsibility is astronomical (1 error and the patient will die). But they did not earn as much as others. In our countries their average salary is around 800-2500 EUR, depends on if you are nurse, helper or specialist. And I remember construction workers, who drive on latest model BMW X5 or Porsche Cayenne, and all their knowledge is simple math for measurement, and they have physical strength. Back in 2010s, even a construction workers helper (a guy whos duties were moving materials) earned 30-50EUR per day. Then we get this topic where people talk about white and blue collar discrimination.

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Sometimes everything cannot be done and is done alone and requires other people, so the work actually needs each other and complements each other. In the end, the need for other work skills is really needed where it is possible that it cannot be done but can be done by others.In the end, work engagement is not ignored; the difference is the recognition given for the work done. Even though sometimes one job can be considered less worthy than another, that is a subjective assessment, and that is because there is no mutual respect for each other with the work they carry out. For me, all work is equally good as long as it is done wholeheartedly and is able to support family life.

All jobs should have a competent and correct salary that is given, especially if the job offered is difficult, I hope to make sure that the salary is fair enough, because sometimes other businessmen who hire workers, they take too much advantage of the employees who apply because they know that they can't refuse because they really need a job, but maybe that's the trend when it comes to business, but at least they have consideration for their workers and I hope they see their employees effort and hard work.

If the system of labor regulations is in accordance with the rules made by the government, which will clearly provide appropriateness for what is done, of course whatever work can be fulfilled will be adjusted to the abilities given. It is natural that entrepreneurs will seek profit in every work transaction, but companies will not be able to arbitrarily apply rules that have been agreed upon or determined by government authorities. But most of the workers are in a forced situation because they need work, so the rules are sometimes ignored so that they are not in accordance with standard rules that must be accepted by workers.If the rules are clear, then I believe employers will continue to consider what is charged to workers and will adjust it to their work capacity and what they deserve.

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Quote from: moneystery on January 22, 2024, 10:20:30 AM

i don't want to denigrate blue collar jobs, but let's think logically; for example, right now you are a white collar and work as an admin, you are in that position through a long process, from college to taking certification for that position, but at the same time there is a blue collar, he only works as a courier and only graduated from high school, he doesn't have any certification and only relies on his navigation skills. the question is, are you willing for your salary as an admin to be the same as that of the courier?

your answer to this question will answer the thread you created.

Certainly not. Where there is high achievements and educational attainment, that's where higher advantage should be given. Because to be honest, schooling is not really easy, most especially if you are going on a masteral or doctorate degree, not only you should prepare yourself physically and emotionally, but most likely your finances as well. So probably, if you gain higher quality education, that's where a bigger compensation should go.

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It does not matter who gets paid more, white or blue collar as they are getting paid for their skill and experience. You might press just one button and charge for it $1000, and you will be paid that, because there is no one who can make the same. You can spend 18h per day coding and earn the same as one guy in dirty t-shirt earns by cutting one single wire. Salary discrimination is not between white or blue collars, each gets paid by the number of experience he has.

Quote from: moneystery on January 22, 2024, 10:20:30 AM

i don't want to denigrate blue collar jobs, but let's think logically; for example, right now you are a white collar and work as an admin, you are in that position through a long process, from college to taking certification for that position, but at the same time there is a blue collar, he only works as a courier and only graduated from high school, he doesn't have any certification and only relies on his navigation skills. the question is, are you willing for your salary as an admin to be the same as that of the courier?

It sounds that admin earns more than a courier, but in real world it is much different. Courier can make more deliveries, knows bets routes, is ready to cycle for whole day, while admin works 9 to 5 5 days a week for a fix salary.

If someone is discriminator by payment, then he allowed others to pay him low. There is always a possibility to learn new, improve and earn more.

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i don't want to denigrate blue collar jobs, but let's think logically; for example, right now you are a white collar and work as an admin, you are in that position through a long process, from college to taking certification for that position, but at the same time there is a blue collar, he only works as a courier and only graduated from high school, he doesn't have any certification and only relies on his navigation skills. the question is, are you willing for your salary as an admin to be the same as that of the courier?

your answer to this question will answer the thread you created.

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Quote from: kentrolla on December 16, 2023, 02:01:46 PM

There has always been a huge difference in the pay scale between the white collar jobs and blue collar or skilled labor wherein the later one put in more effort physically and do more hardwork than the earlier one.

If you want a high-paying, skilled job, you should be working somewhere. You will be rated based on the service you render and not on your employment qualifications.

Skill jobs are good; in fact, they are part of the things that make an industry stand out, as those labourers are the ones handling more of the physical manpower work.

But if we also look at it the other way around, for those white collar orkers, those who sit in the office have some real jobs they are doing, which stress their brains, and they need to do some calculations in order for them to bring up something meaningful, which are the commands these people on the field work with.

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Quote from: angrybirdy on January 22, 2024, 02:11:01 AM

Quote from: yohananaomi on January 21, 2024, 07:44:12 PM

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All jobs should have a competent and correct salary that is given, especially if the job offered is difficult, I hope to make sure that the salary is fair enough, because sometimes other businessmen who hire workers, they take too much advantage of the employees who apply because they know that they can't refuse because they really need a job, but maybe that's the trend when it comes to business, but at least they have consideration for their workers and I hope they see their employees effort and hard work.

Some employers want to pay the employees as little as possible, but fortunately the market makes them to pay fair salaries whether they want it or not. If you good specialists working in your firm, you must provide them with decent pay. If you don't want to pay you shouldn't expect good specialists working for you.

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The digressions on the payment differences between the above mentioned is depended on their services.
There are skills (handwork) jobs that pays better than the white collar jobs. For goodness sake, the industries have varies of technicalities which are partitions that requires technical skills as handworks to deliver the job which a White collar job personells knowledge is not efficient to deliver the job.

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Quote from: yohananaomi on January 21, 2024, 07:44:12 PM

Quote from: Natsuu on January 16, 2024, 07:51:38 AM

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Sometimes everything cannot be done and is done alone and requires other people, so the work actually needs each other and complements each other. In the end, the need for other work skills is really needed where it is possible that it cannot be done but can be done by others.In the end, work engagement is not ignored; the difference is the recognition given for the work done. Even though sometimes one job can be considered less worthy than another, that is a subjective assessment, and that is because there is no mutual respect for each other with the work they carry out. For me, all work is equally good as long as it is done wholeheartedly and is able to support family life.

That's the interdependence of work and the recognition of the value each job brings. Indeed, collaboration and the recognition of various skills are fundamental to achieving collective success in many endeavors. There should be mutual respect for the work that individuals carry out, because every role, regardless of how it's subjectively assessed, plays a vital part in the larger picture. It needs personal dedication and commitment in any task, regardless of its perceived societal status.

This perspective raise a more inclusive and respectful view of various occupations which acknowledge the diverse skills and contributions that people bring to the workforce. In a world where teamwork and collaboration are increasingly crucial, recognizing and valuing the unique qualities of each individual's work can foster a more supportive and harmonious working environment.

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Quote from: kentrolla on December 16, 2023, 02:01:46 PM

There has always been a huge difference in the pay scale between the white collar jobs and blue collar or skilled labor wherein the later one put in more effort physically and do more hardwork than the earlier one.

Should there be market correction done for skilled labors?

Some will say that an white collar employee is more mentally drained out hence they deserve better pay but people who do menial job stop working the world will just rot as everything cannot be done but robots and AI.

It's sometimes sad to see how they are treated disrespectfully, be it a waiter, delivery workers, cab drivers, carpenter, or construction workers as they are the pillars and without them things will start falling apart. I know some of these can be automated but not everything.

This is depending in which place you live because in some areas/countries that Blue collar jobs are paying well than some white collars(I may not say all of them but at least some or even more)
and also Laborer must stay low because if not then the chain of the world will change and it will affect the world. Imagine what will happen now if in the past those executive is earning lower than laborer? imbalance right?

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