That "maria" is on ignore for some and I wish you guys stopped quoting her full posts here.
Topic: [Payout Updates] Bitcoinica site is taken offline for security investigation - page 63. (Read 156693 times)
June 08, 2012, 12:13:31 PM
June 08, 2012, 11:39:53 AM
So, I'm not terribly wild about the idea of sending you guys my ID. I noted this on my claim form.
I would be much more comfortable with a skype session or some such to confirm my identity (which is readily confirmable in so many other ways, I feel it's unnecessary, and seems like it's an unnecessary risk to take - I do NOT want you to store my passport data in any way shape or form.
I'll post my OTC key on my website and on my Google Profiles. (it should be as simple as googling my nick)
But, AFAIK, you guys aren't imminently returning any funds, so there's not any need to send any ID anytime soon.
Please contact me when you will need this.
I would be much more comfortable with a skype session or some such to confirm my identity (which is readily confirmable in so many other ways, I feel it's unnecessary, and seems like it's an unnecessary risk to take - I do NOT want you to store my passport data in any way shape or form.
I'll post my OTC key on my website and on my Google Profiles. (it should be as simple as googling my nick)
But, AFAIK, you guys aren't imminently returning any funds, so there's not any need to send any ID anytime soon.
Please contact me when you will need this.
June 08, 2012, 11:32:50 AM
I can only provide some highly redacted screenshots. The gist is, there's no point to cheat for claims. Bitcoinica has almost everything.
You stated yesterday that there are 3 accounting records. Also we know they are incomplete and outdated.
From what I see:
* One of the records provides postions up to 6/05/12 (recent)
* The other record shows USD and BTC balances but there are only a few 2012 records in the screenshot suggesting this document might only cover a period up to Jan/Feb. (outdated)
* The 3rd record is unknown.
So the big questions is: Which accounting records do you have and up to which date are these records current?
I am concerned that there might be major blindspots in the data. For example I only committed significant funds to Bitcoinica after April 24 when it became a licensed financial service provider and provided a ToS. Also I came for the interest on deposits, so did not have any positions. I'm sure I am not unique in this respect.
The data from the screenshots suggest that accurate information for late users with significant deposits but no positions might not be present in either of the documents you presented. This worries me.
We still have Mt. Gox account logs, deposit and withdrawal emails, etc. We are unable to disclose exact dates of these reports (not May 6, I just showed two recent ones, but the date is more recent than that.) If someone made a large withdrawal after that date and didn't claim it, we can still find the evidence in the email. (So far no one could disable withdrawal email due to a bug preventing mass assignment of the options.)
Breach of trust will be heavily penalized, I guess. So just be careful with the claims and you should be fine.
EDIT: If someone submits claim at this stage, 99% it's fake without valid explanation of the delay. So send an email of explanation to [email protected] if you didn't manage to submit within the first week.
This is my suggestion though. I'm just trying to help the team (so that everyone can get funds back faster).
Are you saying my claim is 99% Fake? All because I did not submit a claim form during the first week of this mess?
I explained to you why I patiently waited behind the scenes like others because we had faith in you and your service.
Very Briefly, We do NOT TRUST you anymore so we will NOT submit passports or any Identification to you. We have been doing business with you since the beginning and you NEVER ask me for any type of ID. You were content with my HUGE deposits and trading activity and I'm sure you didn't want to bother with little stuff like that. Now you are starting to bother me Zhou Tong.
Maria.
Until today, you still haven't told Bitcoinica even your username or email address. And I can't find anything with "Maria". What do you want?
You should sue Bitcoinica LP and feed your lawyer well.
Zhou Tong please read: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoinica-is-now-the-second-largest-bitcoin-trading-platform-42680
Notice how you never asked me for my username or password, yet you was able and fast in finding my account. Not only did you find my account, you looked into the problem and sent the money fast as well. This is why I loved you and your service. That is how our relationship was born. Now you deny my existence and make me jump hurdles to get my money back? Zhou, you have change into somebody else and I feel nothing but embarrassment for you.
Maria.
So a request for username and email becomes a "hurdle" for you?
June 08, 2012, 11:08:48 AM
Zhou Tong please read: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoinica-is-now-the-second-largest-bitcoin-trading-platform-42680
Notice how you never asked me for my username or password, yet you was able and fast in finding my account. Not only did you find my account, you looked into the problem and sent the money fast as well. This is why I loved you and your service. That is how our relationship was born. Now you deny my existence and make me jump hurdles to get my money back? Zhou, you have change into somebody else and I feel nothing but embarrassment for you.
Maria.
That was then, and this is now - that post was made in the first week of operation, and we can assume that your account was easy to identify based on you being one of the first users and knowing the balance from your screenshots. Now, with over 5000 accounts, it's like finding a needle in a haystack.Notice how you never asked me for my username or password, yet you was able and fast in finding my account. Not only did you find my account, you looked into the problem and sent the money fast as well. This is why I loved you and your service. That is how our relationship was born. Now you deny my existence and make me jump hurdles to get my money back? Zhou, you have change into somebody else and I feel nothing but embarrassment for you.
Maria.
And not having a database to confirm it makes that haystack much bigger.
June 08, 2012, 11:02:27 AM
Zhou Tong please read: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoinica-is-now-the-second-largest-bitcoin-trading-platform-42680
Notice how you never asked me for my username or password, yet you was able and fast in finding my account. Not only did you find my account, you looked into the problem and sent the money fast as well. This is why I loved you and your service. That is how our relationship was born. Now you deny my existence and make me jump hurdles to get my money back? Zhou, you have change into somebody else and I feel nothing but embarrassment for you.
Maria.
That was then, and this is now - that post was made in the first week of operation, and we can assume that your account was easy to identify based on you being one of the first users and knowing the balance from your screenshots. Now, with over 5000 accounts, it's like finding a needle in a haystack. Notice how you never asked me for my username or password, yet you was able and fast in finding my account. Not only did you find my account, you looked into the problem and sent the money fast as well. This is why I loved you and your service. That is how our relationship was born. Now you deny my existence and make me jump hurdles to get my money back? Zhou, you have change into somebody else and I feel nothing but embarrassment for you.
Maria.
June 08, 2012, 10:58:20 AM
I can only provide some highly redacted screenshots. The gist is, there's no point to cheat for claims. Bitcoinica has almost everything.
You stated yesterday that there are 3 accounting records. Also we know they are incomplete and outdated.
From what I see:
* One of the records provides postions up to 6/05/12 (recent)
* The other record shows USD and BTC balances but there are only a few 2012 records in the screenshot suggesting this document might only cover a period up to Jan/Feb. (outdated)
* The 3rd record is unknown.
So the big questions is: Which accounting records do you have and up to which date are these records current?
I am concerned that there might be major blindspots in the data. For example I only committed significant funds to Bitcoinica after April 24 when it became a licensed financial service provider and provided a ToS. Also I came for the interest on deposits, so did not have any positions. I'm sure I am not unique in this respect.
The data from the screenshots suggest that accurate information for late users with significant deposits but no positions might not be present in either of the documents you presented. This worries me.
We still have Mt. Gox account logs, deposit and withdrawal emails, etc. We are unable to disclose exact dates of these reports (not May 6, I just showed two recent ones, but the date is more recent than that.) If someone made a large withdrawal after that date and didn't claim it, we can still find the evidence in the email. (So far no one could disable withdrawal email due to a bug preventing mass assignment of the options.)
Breach of trust will be heavily penalized, I guess. So just be careful with the claims and you should be fine.
EDIT: If someone submits claim at this stage, 99% it's fake without valid explanation of the delay. So send an email of explanation to [email protected] if you didn't manage to submit within the first week.
This is my suggestion though. I'm just trying to help the team (so that everyone can get funds back faster).
Are you saying my claim is 99% Fake? All because I did not submit a claim form during the first week of this mess?
I explained to you why I patiently waited behind the scenes like others because we had faith in you and your service.
Very Briefly, We do NOT TRUST you anymore so we will NOT submit passports or any Identification to you. We have been doing business with you since the beginning and you NEVER ask me for any type of ID. You were content with my HUGE deposits and trading activity and I'm sure you didn't want to bother with little stuff like that. Now you are starting to bother me Zhou Tong.
Maria.
Until today, you still haven't told Bitcoinica even your username or email address. And I can't find anything with "Maria". What do you want?
You should sue Bitcoinica LP and feed your lawyer well.
Zhou Tong please read: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoinica-is-now-the-second-largest-bitcoin-trading-platform-42680
Notice how you never asked me for my username or password, yet you was able and fast in finding my account. Not only did you find my account, you looked into the problem and sent the money fast as well. This is why I loved you and your service. That is how our relationship was born. Now you deny my existence and make me jump hurdles to get my money back? Zhou, you have change into somebody else and I feel nothing but embarrassment for you.
Maria.
June 08, 2012, 10:41:02 AM
Ok, well, here's where you should send my coins:
16pDN85h2aVq7oRMw4pt9kvstmYL4Qscbz
K, thnx.
16pDN85h2aVq7oRMw4pt9kvstmYL4Qscbz
K, thnx.
Just send everything to the email [email protected].
At least I keep all copies of the email securely. Also I have indexes so it's easy and fast to search all the claim emails.
My email is secure (with 2-factor) and never compromised, and so are your passport uploads (both web uploads and emails, web uploads are AES-256 encrypted in S3).
June 08, 2012, 10:37:52 AM
I can only provide some highly redacted screenshots. The gist is, there's no point to cheat for claims. Bitcoinica has almost everything.
You stated yesterday that there are 3 accounting records. Also we know they are incomplete and outdated.
From what I see:
* One of the records provides postions up to 6/05/12 (recent)
* The other record shows USD and BTC balances but there are only a few 2012 records in the screenshot suggesting this document might only cover a period up to Jan/Feb. (outdated)
* The 3rd record is unknown.
So the big questions is: Which accounting records do you have and up to which date are these records current?
I am concerned that there might be major blindspots in the data. For example I only committed significant funds to Bitcoinica after April 24 when it became a licensed financial service provider and provided a ToS. Also I came for the interest on deposits, so did not have any positions. I'm sure I am not unique in this respect.
The data from the screenshots suggest that accurate information for late users with significant deposits but no positions might not be present in either of the documents you presented. This worries me.
We still have Mt. Gox account logs, deposit and withdrawal emails, etc. We are unable to disclose exact dates of these reports (not May 6, I just showed two recent ones, but the date is more recent than that.) If someone made a large withdrawal after that date and didn't claim it, we can still find the evidence in the email. (So far no one could disable withdrawal email due to a bug preventing mass assignment of the options.)
Breach of trust will be heavily penalized, I guess. So just be careful with the claims and you should be fine.
EDIT: If someone submits claim at this stage, 99% it's fake without valid explanation of the delay. So send an email of explanation to [email protected] if you didn't manage to submit within the first week.
This is my suggestion though. I'm just trying to help the team (so that everyone can get funds back faster).
Are you saying my claim is 99% Fake? All because I did not submit a claim form during the first week of this mess?
I explained to you why I patiently waited behind the scenes like others because we had faith in you and your service.
Very Briefly, We do NOT TRUST you anymore so we will NOT submit passports or any Identification to you. We have been doing business with you since the beginning and you NEVER ask me for any type of ID. You were content with my HUGE deposits and trading activity and I'm sure you didn't want to bother with little stuff like that. Now you are starting to bother me Zhou Tong.
Maria.
Until today, you still haven't told Bitcoinica even your username or email address. And I can't find anything with "Maria". What do you want?
You should sue Bitcoinica LP and feed your lawyer well.
June 08, 2012, 10:18:16 AM
Very Briefly, We do NOT TRUST you anymore so we will NOT submit passports or any Identification to you.
Too bad, no money for you! June 08, 2012, 10:16:46 AM
I can only provide some highly redacted screenshots. The gist is, there's no point to cheat for claims. Bitcoinica has almost everything.
You stated yesterday that there are 3 accounting records. Also we know they are incomplete and outdated.
From what I see:
* One of the records provides postions up to 6/05/12 (recent)
* The other record shows USD and BTC balances but there are only a few 2012 records in the screenshot suggesting this document might only cover a period up to Jan/Feb. (outdated)
* The 3rd record is unknown.
So the big questions is: Which accounting records do you have and up to which date are these records current?
I am concerned that there might be major blindspots in the data. For example I only committed significant funds to Bitcoinica after April 24 when it became a licensed financial service provider and provided a ToS. Also I came for the interest on deposits, so did not have any positions. I'm sure I am not unique in this respect.
The data from the screenshots suggest that accurate information for late users with significant deposits but no positions might not be present in either of the documents you presented. This worries me.
We still have Mt. Gox account logs, deposit and withdrawal emails, etc. We are unable to disclose exact dates of these reports (not May 6, I just showed two recent ones, but the date is more recent than that.) If someone made a large withdrawal after that date and didn't claim it, we can still find the evidence in the email. (So far no one could disable withdrawal email due to a bug preventing mass assignment of the options.)
Breach of trust will be heavily penalized, I guess. So just be careful with the claims and you should be fine.
EDIT: If someone submits claim at this stage, 99% it's fake without valid explanation of the delay. So send an email of explanation to [email protected] if you didn't manage to submit within the first week.
This is my suggestion though. I'm just trying to help the team (so that everyone can get funds back faster).
Are you saying my claim is 99% Fake? All because I did not submit a claim form during the first week of this mess?
I explained to you why I patiently waited behind the scenes like others because we had faith in you and your service.
Very Briefly, We do NOT TRUST you anymore so we will NOT submit passports or any Identification to you. We have been doing business with you since the beginning and you NEVER ask me for any type of ID. You were content with my HUGE deposits and trading activity and I'm sure you didn't want to bother with little stuff like that. Now you are starting to bother me Zhou Tong.
Maria.
June 08, 2012, 10:04:28 AM
Ok, well, here's where you should send my coins:
16pDN85h2aVq7oRMw4pt9kvstmYL4Qscbz
K, thnx.
16pDN85h2aVq7oRMw4pt9kvstmYL4Qscbz
K, thnx.
Just send everything to the email [email protected].
At least I keep all copies of the email securely. Also I have indexes so it's easy and fast to search all the claim emails.
June 08, 2012, 10:02:44 AM
Ok, well, here's where you should send my coins:
16pDN85h2aVq7oRMw4pt9kvstmYL4Qscbz
K, thnx.
16pDN85h2aVq7oRMw4pt9kvstmYL4Qscbz
K, thnx.
Just send everything to the email [email protected].
At least I keep all copies of the email securely. Also I have indexes so it's easy and fast to search all the claim emails.
June 08, 2012, 09:56:59 AM
Ok, well, here's where you should send my coins:
16pDN85h2aVq7oRMw4pt9kvstmYL4Qscbz
K, thnx.
16pDN85h2aVq7oRMw4pt9kvstmYL4Qscbz
K, thnx.
June 08, 2012, 09:51:45 AM
I can only provide some highly redacted screenshots. The gist is, there's no point to cheat for claims. Bitcoinica has almost everything.
You stated yesterday that there are 3 accounting records. Also we know they are incomplete and outdated.
From what I see:
* One of the records provides postions up to 6/05/12 (recent)
* The other record shows USD and BTC balances but there are only a few 2012 records in the screenshot suggesting this document might only cover a period up to Jan/Feb. (outdated)
* The 3rd record is unknown.
So the big questions is: Which accounting records do you have and up to which date are these records current?
I am concerned that there might be major blindspots in the data. For example I only committed significant funds to Bitcoinica after April 24 when it became a licensed financial service provider and provided a ToS. Also I came for the interest on deposits, so did not have any positions. I'm sure I am not unique in this respect.
The data from the screenshots suggest that accurate information for late users with significant deposits but no positions might not be present in either of the documents you presented. This worries me.
We still have Mt. Gox account logs, deposit and withdrawal emails, etc. We are unable to disclose exact dates of these reports (not May 6, I just showed two recent ones, but the date is more recent than that.) If someone made a large withdrawal after that date and didn't claim it, we can still find the evidence in the email. (So far no one could disable withdrawal email due to a bug preventing mass assignment of the options.)
Breach of trust will be heavily penalized, I guess. So just be careful with the claims and you should be fine.
EDIT: If someone submits claim at this stage, 99% it's fake without valid explanation of the delay. So send an email of explanation to [email protected] if you didn't manage to submit within the first week.
This is my suggestion though. I'm just trying to help the team (so that everyone can get funds back faster).
June 08, 2012, 08:25:02 AM
Posting this again, so hopefully we'll get some answers.
Hopefully they get done soon I think. One of the points outlined today by Tihan was:
"This is what I need from each of you today:
1) A sign of life that the claims processing has begun -- an announcement to that effect and/or actually paying people back
..."
So things are moving forwards now after the hiatus. Most people involved are in agreement on what needs to be done.
So? Can we have an update on what happened yesterday? Tihan said he wanted there to be an announcement or to see people start getting paid back. I'm seeing neither.
It's unbelievable how little we hear from you guys. Communication is mandatory! And for the 1000th time:
How are open positions going to get settled?
We can't even hedge our own freaking positions due to a lack of communication from you guys.
I'm glad we still have Zhoutong giving us information. He's handling this a whole lot better than you guys. Too bad he's no longer in charge, or this mess would have been solved already.
Cool story bro,
So where are the refunds?
So where are the refunds?
Hopefully they get done soon I think. One of the points outlined today by Tihan was:
"This is what I need from each of you today:
1) A sign of life that the claims processing has begun -- an announcement to that effect and/or actually paying people back
..."
So things are moving forwards now after the hiatus. Most people involved are in agreement on what needs to be done.
So? Can we have an update on what happened yesterday? Tihan said he wanted there to be an announcement or to see people start getting paid back. I'm seeing neither.
It's unbelievable how little we hear from you guys. Communication is mandatory! And for the 1000th time:
How are open positions going to get settled?
We can't even hedge our own freaking positions due to a lack of communication from you guys.
I'm glad we still have Zhoutong giving us information. He's handling this a whole lot better than you guys. Too bad he's no longer in charge, or this mess would have been solved already.
June 08, 2012, 08:21:29 AM
I can only provide some highly redacted screenshots. The gist is, there's no point to cheat for claims. Bitcoinica has almost everything.
You stated yesterday that there are 3 accounting records. Also we know they are incomplete and outdated.
From what I see:
* One of the records provides postions up to 6/05/12 (recent)
* The other record shows USD and BTC balances but there are only a few 2012 records in the screenshot suggesting this document might only cover a period up to Jan/Feb. (outdated)
* The 3rd record is unknown.
So the big questions is: Which accounting records do you have and up to which date are these records current?
I am concerned that there might be major blindspots in the data. For example I only committed significant funds to Bitcoinica after April 24 when it became a licensed financial service provider and provided a ToS. Also I came for the interest on deposits, so did not have any positions. I'm sure I am not unique in this respect.
The data from the screenshots suggest that accurate information for late users with significant deposits but no positions might not be present in either of the documents you presented. This worries me.
June 08, 2012, 07:21:47 AM
If u have database, why we cant login and widthraw funds?
That's either an (incomplete) reconstruction or old data used to check if claims are potentially fraudulent.
Ok, thanks.
June 08, 2012, 06:27:03 AM
If u have database, why we cant login and widthraw funds?
That's either an (incomplete) reconstruction or old data used to check if claims are potentially fraudulent.
June 08, 2012, 06:10:32 AM
If u have database, why we cant login and widthraw funds?
June 08, 2012, 06:00:40 AM
Cool story bro,
So where are the refunds?
So where are the refunds?
Hopefully they get done soon I think. One of the points outlined today by Tihan was:
"This is what I need from each of you today:
1) A sign of life that the claims processing has begun -- an announcement to that effect and/or actually paying people back
..."
So things are moving forwards now after the hiatus. Most people involved are in agreement on what needs to be done.
So? Can we have an update on what happened yesterday? Tihan said he wanted there to be an announcement or to see people start getting paid back. I'm seeing neither.
It's unbelievable how little we hear from you guys. Communication is mandatory! And for the 1000th time:
How are open positions going to get settled?
We can't even hedge our own freaking positions due to a lack of communication from you guys.
I'm glad we still have Zhoutong giving us information. He's handling this a whole lot better than you guys. Too bad he's no longer in charge, or this mess would have been solved already.
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