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Quote from: o48o on July 01, 2024, 11:06:40 AM

And many countries like australia, if i remember correctly, have banned offshore online gambling. Casinos tend to comply with the restrictions. Not that all of the users would be banned, because people play with VPN and fake passports etc, but that comes with a possibility of getting your account frozen and money seized. So it's not safe to play with huge amounts anymore.

I think it also depends on how serious the country appears to be like how likely are they to go after the platform for a fine. There are countries where gambling is prohibited or at least needs a license for a casino to legally target locals but offshore casinos typically don't ban e.g. Indonesia and some countries in middle east. Who knows if offshore casinos will also comply with PH 🤔

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Quote from: serjent05 on June 30, 2024, 05:22:04 PM

This is very bad for the people who love online gambling in the Philippines.

This is actually not a loss to online gamblers in the country. Philippine Offshore Gaming Operators (POGO) can actually serve bettors from other countries only. They are not allowed to serve Filipinos. Hence, offshore.

This is a loss to the country, however, in the sense that revenues will be lost if there is a ban. But I think the revenue isn't worth it. After all, many of these POGOs are operating without paying taxes. Furthermore, many of them are operating scams including cryptocurrency scams. Not to mention that their operations include torture, trafficking, rape, and other crimes.

I'm for the ban.

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Definitely won't solve anything. As I've always said before, banning stuff just pushes companies into doing them while hidden instead of being in the open when it's legal. The POGO issue we had should've never been an issue in the first place if the people at the top were doing their jobs properly lol. I mean you can imagine how incompetent the people at the top are when they accepted someone with an unsure/unverified identity as the mayor of a city, where said city was where the POGO issue happened. 100% a bandaid solution the senator pushed since he/she wanted to be relevant or thought of as "doing something" for this problem since this issue became a pretty big thing here.

Yes won't solve anything since they can't control everything what happen online so for sure that online gambling will be still rampant on Philippines. Instead of including all casinos to be banned maybe they should create a law that penalize those certain abuse happening and create also a enforcement group that can monitor the online gambling activities which operating in their country maybe for that they can solve all those issues they find and their earnings from those industry will not get affected. Since they find illegalities of those POGO hubs then I guess there's nothing wrong to eliminate them since that would serve as a warning to other operators that they cannot do those illegal things on Philippines so they must run their business clean so they would not eliminated on Philippines. What they do is not only a band aid solution but also they want to be a hero so people will look them as good politician since election is coming and expect that there would be a lot of grand standing so that people will remember their names and vote them again.

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I don't see a tangible reason while the government of Philippines will have to ban pogo online gambling or place a fine of about $8.5k on any one that is caught. As far as I know, illegal activities don by citizens of a country doesn't concern gamblers. What I see is lack of planing by the government. I don't know the pleasure government derive from making citizens pay for what gives them joy. According to research pogo gambling happens to be what most Filipino usually makes money from, and seeing government ban it, is not a good sign of leadership. These days government leave to fight for corruption, drug abuse, stealing, child trafficking, cyber crimes and many more illegal activities and heads towards closing down of many gambling sites which might not even solve the problem. Because when they leave to fight the right thing and go for the wrong thing, definitely crime will still continue. So I don't think what they did is right. Even if they close pogo down I believe close door gambling will still go on. Because gambling has been in existence many years ago before we even existed, so wether they like it or not, gambling will still go on. and even the fine they want people to pay will not be paid because there will be no trace of any gambling activity when there is no evidence.

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on June 30, 2024, 05:47:10 PM

From all I've seen and experienced about the government banning something or an activity that several many people are engaged in, it has never help solve the issue the government banned that thing or activity for, rather in some situations, the ban tend to be counter productive where it acts as in advertisment, which means, more people get to discover and join that activity, even while it's banned.

Banning a thing has been known to only create a different market for it. It never had the effect the government would have want as willing individuals go the extra length to look for loopholes, window of opportunities to satisfy a want to do, not to mention gambling. This ban will only create an underground network where gamblers would gamble with zero regulations and this could even result to violence since, the rules would be what is decided then and there.

I don’t know how smuggling, murder, trafficking and all have come to be associated with gambling in this raid of the POGO but, a lot should be put into consideration before this operation cut the head of a snake that could only rejuvenate its head.

Jail time for law breakers is a good punishment for law breakers if agents within the POGO sector is found guilty of some crime but having to relieve people of their jobs and means of livelihood as well as restrict those that would have wished to play regulated gambling would only cast a shadow on not just the economy but the social life of the people of the PH.

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Quote from: serjent05 on June 30, 2024, 05:22:04 PM

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Definitely won't solve anything. As I've always said before, banning stuff just pushes companies into doing them while hidden instead of being in the open when it's legal. The POGO issue we had should've never been an issue in the first place if the people at the top were doing their jobs properly lol. I mean you can imagine how incompetent the people at the top are when they accepted someone with an unsure/unverified identity as the mayor of a city, where said city was where the POGO issue happened. 100% a bandaid solution the senator pushed since he/she wanted to be relevant or thought of as "doing something" for this problem since this issue became a pretty big thing here.

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Quote from: Solosanz on July 01, 2024, 06:43:36 AM

This means Filipinos aren't allowed to gamble anymore? what about users in this forum that are actively gambling and promoting gambling lol, could I say they're criminals (because they broke the laws)? lol.

Nope, it's still a proposal. There have been issues like this from the past administration that they did disabled online gambling but then later on lifted that ban.

Quote from: Solosanz on July 01, 2024, 06:43:36 AM

They all should learn about privacy right now by using Tor, DEX, privacy tools, or privacy coins, as they want to hide against the government that could caught them.

Many of have this idea already and you'll be surprised about the proliferation of gambling ads on our country through influencer marketing.

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Quote from: serjent05 on June 30, 2024, 05:22:04 PM

What about you do you think banning offshore gambling operators and online gambling will solve the spread of illegal gambling activities in a country?

I see this ban as a wrong move by the government. They cannot decide to ban an activity because some individuals are using it for criminal activities. The ideal thing is to look for means to control the online gambling industry to prevent these criminals from using them. The government should also create avenues where these criminals can be identified easily. Now, those caught using online gambling platforms to engage in these negative vices should be openly prosecuted and punished. This might discourage others from engaging in this corrupt practices.

Banning online gambling will affect people who were enjoying this form of entertainment and also making some money from it. It can also cause unemployment since these online platforms are employers of labor. This ban might also give rise to scams and illegal online gambling platforms. I suspect that the government wants gamblers to focus on brick-and-mortar gambling firms to enable easy collection of taxes.

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Quote from: serjent05 on June 30, 2024, 05:22:04 PM

This is very bad for the people who love online gambling in the Philippines. A senator of the Philippines proposes a Bill to ban all Philippine Offshore Gaming Operator (POGO) and all kinds of Online Gambling. Any individual involved will be fined up to Php500k(US$8,536) or imprisoned for up to six months.

First of all, this is only a proposal. Do you know how many proposals to ban bitcoin there were in the US Congress? I haven't counted, but many. None of them was approved though.
Don't worry about it yet, the process takes a long time and unless that Senator has some serious support for that bill, it's not going to pass, or at least not in the first try.
Then it should be said that any country that puts people in jail for something as small as gambling is an authoritarian state.

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What about you do you think banning offshore gambling operators and online gambling will solve the spread of illegal gambling activities in a country?

In short, I'm against it.

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it won't. instead of banning them, they need to take full advantage of the revenue offshore gambling will bring to the country.

According to what I know, offshore gambling may not bring revenue for the government. Local casinos are the government focus because that is where they see taxes from. Although some countries have strict regulations that makes any gambling site that wants to provide gambling services for their citizens to have physical presence in the country.

it did bring money to the country and had an impact on the Philippines's economy during the height of the pandemic. that's why I said if they are sure they want to miss out on the revenue it will bring. properly regulating it would have been the best option instead of just banning it. it's annoying that my government is always trying to take the easy way out instead of thinking of a way to take advantage of it and make the country benefit from it.

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POGO has been operating since 2015, and during the pandemic it was a big help for the government and the Filipino workers, and this is the income from taxes and licenses

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Department of Finance (DoF) data shows that combined taxes collected from POGOs from 2017 to October 2022 reached ₱53.8 billion: ₱30 billion by PAGCOR, while ₱23.8 billion by the Bureau of Internal Revenue (BIR) (since 2018).[10]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine_Offshore_Gaming_Operator

So you don't kill a cash cow just because there are bad actors; you just get stricter and implement the law and what's on their license; it's hard to stop people from gambling online, and they will need a monitoring team or agency to implement, and this will cost them money. I don't think the government of the Philippines is good at monitoring; it will just become a cash cow of corrupt officials.

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Quote from: Coin_trader on July 01, 2024, 08:04:40 AM

This is a very hypocrite move by the PH senators while online gambling especially POGO are a great source of income tax to government which they frequently corrupt through their confidential funds.

This bill is toxic and doesn’t solve the issue about gambling since people will just force to break the law just to gamble since gambling is already part of the Filipino leisure time.

But I doubt that they can implement this law to full extent since Philippines government is the most incompetent country when implementing their own law. They can’t monitor it thoroughly in long term. Wink

Well, in fact, they will prohibit the provision of gambling services only to those companies that are registered in the Philippines. Taking into account the fact that online you don’t have to travel anywhere to “find yourself” in another jurisdiction, Filipinos will continue to play in other places. As always, this law is both meaningless and harmful. It will not achieve its goals (you don’t even have to discuss whether they are good or bad), but all its negative consequences will be noticeable.

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I do not think this move by the senator to propose a bill to ban gambling is good. What I expected them to do is to strengthen the organisation responsible for monitoring of casinos and step up the regulatory procedures/policies for gambling. Putting a ban on gambling is like taking away food from the tables of her citizens who earn their pay as casino staff and also, the revenue the government generates from the casinos would be cut off and possibly dropping their national budget below the benchmark.

Looking at the situation of things, Philippines have no resources that could generate revenue for them except for taxation and other means of billing that sustains their economy. I think the entire senate house of Philippines would kick against it because they know themselves very well and what could become of them if they put ban on gambling.

Very well analyzed and said bud, I completely agree with you.
It is really unfortunate that sometimes, some government officials usually don't think about the implications of some of their decisions or suggestions before letting it out to the general public, let alone signing it into law.
I bet the senator didn't even think about the money the country has been making from taxations of gambling houses, and not just that, but money they make some their regulators selling licenses to those online and offline casinos operating in their jurisdiction.
What about the citizens that are working and earning from this casinos? And also paying tax again to the government?
They usually dont think or consider some of this things before enacting such proposals to be signed into law, it's shameful to be honest.

Possibly they might be doing this to shake up the gambling industry so they could pay more taxation or increase their tax for the senators to keep quiet. Sometimes they act funny you know so they could get something out of nothing but however, if that is the game and this was their strategies, then they are making a big mistake because it would dawn on them if they keep threatening casinos and gambling organisations in their country and they decide to leave the country.

They could call the casino organisations and the government regulatory agencies and hold a meeting with them reaching a memorandum of understanding for all to abide by. Doing this alone would be more matured and reasonable than passing a bill to ban gambling in their country when they have nothing to offer.

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Quote from: serjent05 on June 30, 2024, 05:22:04 PM

This is very bad for the people who love online gambling in the Philippines. A senator of the Philippines proposes a Bill to ban all Philippine Offshore Gaming Operator (POGO) and all kinds of Online Gambling. Any individual involved will be fined up to Php500k(US$8,536) or imprisoned for up to six months.

POGO is a hot topic, and there are ongoing Senate hearings, so this has come out, but the real issue here is the corrupt officials who gave licenses to fake POGO and failed to monitor their activity when they should.
POGO is a source of income for the government; there's no need to create a bill; the government has the power to make POGO and online gambling illegal since it's not the bill that allows them to operate but the agency of the government.
President Marcos will not allow his yearly budget to get cut off when the country is reeling from debts and the over 25k Filipino workers on POGO to be displaced, so the bill is not likely to prosper.

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What about you do you think banning offshore gambling operators and online gambling will solve the spread of illegal gambling activities in a country?

The head of the Pagcor, the gaming license of the Philippines has this to say

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“As far as a supposed ‘phase-out’ is concerned, that’s the kind of phase-out I fully support: You phase out the bad and mediocre licensees,”
“You don’t phase the whole industry out. You enforce the law,” Salceda said.

Marcos allies in House split over POGO ban

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Quote from: serjent05 on June 30, 2024, 05:22:04 PM

This is very bad for the people who love online gambling in the Philippines. A senator of the Philippines proposes a Bill to ban all Philippine Offshore Gaming Operator (POGO) and all kinds of Online Gambling. Any individual involved will be fined up to Php500k(US$8,536) or imprisoned for up to six months. More story on the link below:

Philippines senator pushes for banning POGOs, all forms of online gambling

The proposed bill is due to the recent illegal POGO raids where human trafficking, murder, and money laundering were uncovered. Due to this, one of the Philippine senators believes that the best move is to ban POGOs and online gambling all in all and punish any person who is involved in online gambling activity if the bill is approved.

In my personal view, I do not think there is a need to ban POGO's and online gambling. This is not the fault of a regular individual but the institution behind the gambling regulatory board. Instead of banning and penalizing people who are engaged in gambling activities, the bill should strengthen the regulation and purge the institution of any corrupt official that allows these illegal activities to proliferate. He should implement a bill that will severely punish any government official that engage in illegal gambling activities. Banning POGOs and online gambling is like taking the easiest way out and depriving the Philippine government of the possible revenue that can be generated from these ventures and as if this kind of bill will prevent illegal gambling from existing in a country. I hope this kind of bill won't progress instead take an alternative implementation of cleansing the gambling regulatory board of any corrupt official and holding them accountable for their wicked crimes.

What about you do you think banning offshore gambling operators and online gambling will solve the spread of illegal gambling activities in a country?

The potential of online gambling is very exciting and it is an advancement that gamblers will enjoy without having to travel to a physical casino which is still very rare and very far from where we live to gamble, while online gambling is very flexible and can be enjoyed wherever we are.

I don't think this bill will continue until it is passed to ban online gambling, it would be a pity with its potential, I agree more to revise the gambling supervisors and better eradicate illegal gambling to block it, cleaning up corrupt officials and involved with gambling is a step that needs to be taken to continue to operate online gambling properly and can contribute to the country, I agree more with your opinion than no longer allowing online gambling to operate.

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Quote from: serjent05 on June 30, 2024, 05:22:04 PM

This is very bad for the people who love online gambling in the Philippines. A senator of the Philippines proposes a Bill to ban all Philippine Offshore Gaming Operator (POGO) and all kinds of Online Gambling. Any individual involved will be fined up to Php500k(US$8,536) or imprisoned for up to six months. More story on the link below:

Philippines senator pushes for banning POGOs, all forms of online gambling

The proposed bill is due to the recent illegal POGO raids where human trafficking, murder, and money laundering were uncovered. Due to this, one of the Philippine senators believes that the best move is to ban POGOs and online gambling all in all and punish any person who is involved in online gambling activity if the bill is approved.

In my personal view, I do not think there is a need to ban POGO's and online gambling. This is not the fault of a regular individual but the institution behind the gambling regulatory board. Instead of banning and penalizing people who are engaged in gambling activities, the bill should strengthen the regulation and purge the institution of any corrupt official that allows these illegal activities to proliferate. He should implement a bill that will severely punish any government official that engage in illegal gambling activities. Banning POGOs and online gambling is like taking the easiest way out and depriving the Philippine government of the possible revenue that can be generated from these ventures and as if this kind of bill will prevent illegal gambling from existing in a country. I hope this kind of bill won't progress instead take an alternative implementation of cleansing the gambling regulatory board of any corrupt official and holding them accountable for their wicked crimes.

What about you do you think banning offshore gambling operators and online gambling will solve the spread of illegal gambling activities in a country?

I'm just wondering: during the time of the former admin, it's true that the POGO was already there, but by that time, online gambling was not rampant; there were no problems like the ones we are facing now that it has become too rampant and the promotion of gambling platforms is open.

This is just a comparison of the former administration with the current administration, because before there were only a few influencers who promoted online gambling and even online scams, but in the current administration we can see that the influencers are promoting the online casino, and even other celebrities who are former senators are even promoting online gambling despite being the head pastor of the church organization he built (Manny Paquiao), which means the open spreading of gambling promotions. It is possible that our government agencies also know that. This is only in my assessment that I observed.

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Quote from: Potato Chips on June 30, 2024, 05:36:00 PM

How are they banning the online gambling though? esp the offshore platforms?

Last I heard, when a regulatory body from PH banned binance, it was only at domain level. The result? many folks easily bypassed this by changing DNS lol. A cease and desist was suggested but of course, they wouldn't wanna put that much effort.

In any case, I wouldn't worry just yet as a lot of proposed bills get trashed all the time. Hoping for the best tho!

For those that host online gambling services and operate in the Philippines aka (pogo)s it's quite easy, as all they need is to bust those facilities.

And many countries like australia, if i remember correctly, have banned offshore online gambling. Casinos tend to comply with the restrictions. Not that all of the users would be banned, because people play with VPN and fake passports etc, but that comes with a possibility of getting your account frozen and money seized. So it's not safe to play with huge amounts anymore.

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I know where this thing is heading. They won't ban it, for sure. If you're from this country, you should know how many times they tried to do so but why are there still operating gambling groups on this date? Unfortunately, things are run by money in the Philippines. Although without a certainty, this will just allow them to gain bigger contribution from gambling providers to continue. Things will be paid eventually; taxation on gambling activities and organizations are high in this country and they won't be banning things if they are making use of the tax these activities are generating. They could just heightened the restriction if they really want to.Unfortunate as well how other illegal activities are being tagged in gambling which makes things worse.

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Quote from: serjent05 on June 30, 2024, 05:22:04 PM

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What about you do you think banning offshore gambling operators and online gambling will solve the spread of illegal gambling activities in a country?

If that's what makes the country solve serious issues regarding crimes because of those rampant online gambling, I believed that's beneficial to the society.
Many lives of the people will be drowned to poverty due to online gambling, that's why legislators take this as a serious actions to make s step in solving this underlying toxicity of the country.

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Quote from: CryptSafe on July 01, 2024, 08:23:02 AM

I do not think this move by the senator to propose a bill to ban gambling is good. What I expected them to do is to strengthen the organisation responsible for monitoring of casinos and step up the regulatory procedures/policies for gambling. Putting a ban on gambling is like taking away food from the tables of her citizens who earn their pay as casino staff and also, the revenue the government generates from the casinos would be cut off and possibly dropping their national budget below the benchmark.

Looking at the situation of things, Philippines have no resources that could generate revenue for them except for taxation and other means of billing that sustains their economy. I think the entire senate house of Philippines would kick against it because they know themselves very well and what could become of them if they put ban on gambling.

Very well analyzed and said bud, I completely agree with you.
It is really unfortunate that sometimes, some government officials usually don't think about the implications of some of their decisions or suggestions before letting it out to the general public, let alone signing it into law.
I bet the senator didn't even think about the money the country has been making from taxations of gambling houses, and not just that, but money they make some their regulators selling licenses to those online and offline casinos operating in their jurisdiction.
What about the citizens that are working and earning from this casinos? And also paying tax again to the government?
They usually dont think or consider some of this things before enacting such proposals to be signed into law, it's shameful to be honest.

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