According to the latest updates on the banning of POGOs, workers have until October 15, 2024, to leave the country. After that, their working visas will expire and be downgraded to tourist visas. POGO operators have agreed to cease operations, but it’s a process and won’t stop immediately. Most likely, once they’re out of workers, their operations will come to a halt, with October 15 being the final day of their business.
However, we can’t be sure if all operations will completely stop, as the talks only involved licensed POGO operators. There are still many unlicensed or illegal ones, which is why the government has a task force focused on shutting them down for good.
As for Alice Guo, the most well-known figure in the POGO world, she has yet to reveal the mastermind behind everything. She claims to be a victim herself, saying there’s a real mastermind behind the scenes. There’s been some finger-pointing, so this will be interesting to follow. I just hope the government doesn’t sensationalize this issue to distract from bigger concerns that truly matter to the Filipino people.
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September 24, 2024, 10:40:56 PM
September 24, 2024, 10:32:59 PM
Corruption aside, Some tax gained on POGO was distributed to the national funds which is use by different sector that helps citizens. I think POGO in general is good because it gives revenue to our country but the only problem is poor regulations on this business that’s why it’s commonly use for illegal transactions which is not related to POGO anymore.
Politicians is just using this issue to gain sympathy of voters since election is near without thinking logically. Our country will benefit on it through proper regulation. This is same case to customs which there’s still a lot of smuggle goods.
Corruption is always bad and it should not be tolerated able by any means. I think if POGO is corrupted but provided tax to the national funds I do not still think that they should tolerateable hence the should be faced judgment as bad and good things can't move by parallel.Politicians is just using this issue to gain sympathy of voters since election is near without thinking logically. Our country will benefit on it through proper regulation. This is same case to customs which there’s still a lot of smuggle goods.
In the beginning, this could have been what the Philippine government is thinking, that they could generate a lot of money, from tax and if I'm not mistaken, it really started to boom during the pandemic. When there is no income being generated by the government because obviously, everything is in the lock down and then they have to give back to the people during that time.
However, they didn't anticipate the extend of what is going to happen in the future with this project. Because after that it gotten worse, people are being kidnapped, tortured or even killed just for the sake of collecting money. Now it has been exposed even further with government officials involved in the creation of more illegal POGO's in the country. However, it seems that they will just rebrand itself so it will not continue, IMHO.
September 24, 2024, 10:09:31 PM
There is a lot of money coming in from the POGOs.
That's actually the danger if the government did not decide to put a stop on all POGO operations in the country. The amount of money they earn in a monthly and yearly basis will be enough to expand and fund their standardize crime and corruption as it had been unknown for several years that they are already part of their business model.
I think, POGOs can actually do good than harm if they did not incorporate these negative things to their business, as they can generate local employment and a huge addition to the city's revenue.
September 24, 2024, 09:50:35 PM
There is a lot of money coming in from the POGOs, but they have more negatives than positives in terms of the amount of benefits that are happening. More and more people could become victims because of it and it just makes the world worse. It's important to have a clear conscience rather than be corrupted.
As you are saying that they are taking more and giving to less people then that is something like a Ponzi scheme which may make people loser more and more people. I do not support Ponzi and I think no one should support it like this and GOVT has taken the perfect steps. 
September 22, 2024, 12:52:08 PM
Corruption aside, Some tax gained on POGO was distributed to the national funds which is use by different sector that helps citizens. I think POGO in general is good because it gives revenue to our country but the only problem is poor regulations on this business that’s why it’s commonly use for illegal transactions which is not related to POGO anymore.
Politicians is just using this issue to gain sympathy of voters since election is near without thinking logically. Our country will benefit on it through proper regulation. This is same case to customs which there’s still a lot of smuggle goods.
Corruption is always bad and it should not be tolerated able by any means. I think if POGO is corrupted but provided tax to the national funds I do not still think that they should tolerateable hence the should be faced judgment as bad and good things can't move by parallel.Politicians is just using this issue to gain sympathy of voters since election is near without thinking logically. Our country will benefit on it through proper regulation. This is same case to customs which there’s still a lot of smuggle goods.
September 22, 2024, 12:33:18 PM
Corruption aside, Some tax gained on POGO was distributed to the national funds which is use by different sector that helps citizens. I think POGO in general is good because it gives revenue to our country but the only problem is poor regulations on this business that’s why it’s commonly use for illegal transactions which is not related to POGO anymore.
Politicians is just using this issue to gain sympathy of voters since election is near without thinking logically. Our country will benefit on it through proper regulation. This is same case to customs which there’s still a lot of smuggle goods.
Corruption is always bad and it should not be tolerated able by any means. I think if POGO is corrupted but provided tax to the national funds I do not still think that they should tolerateable hence the should be faced judgment as bad and good things can't move by parallel. Politicians is just using this issue to gain sympathy of voters since election is near without thinking logically. Our country will benefit on it through proper regulation. This is same case to customs which there’s still a lot of smuggle goods.
September 20, 2024, 03:16:41 PM
Still a long way to go before there is going to be a blanket ban on POGO. And even if the President ordered it, might take sometime, they will have to enact a law first before they can shut it down for good.
And then they will have to cooperate with PAGCOR (Philippine Amusement and Gaming Corporation), so it's not at easy as it sounds. And base on other reports, some of the legal POGO's are still operating as of this time because they haven't seen any notice yet from PAGCOR. And we have seen odds as well of online gambling proliferating in Facebook that includes the legendary Manny Pacquiao.
And then they will have to cooperate with PAGCOR (Philippine Amusement and Gaming Corporation), so it's not at easy as it sounds. And base on other reports, some of the legal POGO's are still operating as of this time because they haven't seen any notice yet from PAGCOR. And we have seen odds as well of online gambling proliferating in Facebook that includes the legendary Manny Pacquiao.
PAGCOR could not shut them down immediately because they are benefiting from the operation; that's how corrupt the government agency is. They are the ones regulating it, but they failed to see that these POGOs have already become a haven for scammers. And Philippine law is not strict in enforcement, so the operators aren’t too worried. Just imagine—they invested billions of money into this, and the government would just stop it immediately? It’s not fair. I think the main problem here is the lack of regulation by PAGCOR. That’s what they need to improve, rather than stopping the operation when the government is greatly benefiting from it.
I agree that a lack of regulation and monitoring caused the banning of POGO; the industry was infiltrated by bad actors. It should not have been this way if only some corrupt officials had not allowed it, but in a third-world country like the Philippines, when money talks, everybody listens, and money can buy almost everything here the bad actors can buy loyalty and trust, can you imagine a POGO operator is also the mayor of the town where the POGO is being operated.
Here is the timeline of the case of former Mayor Alice Guo, who found his way to rule in a town where she was operating his POGO company.
TIMELINE: The plots and twists of the 'Alice Guo' probe
having that corruption on which there would really be those bypasses on which those certain things could really be able operate out without being detected just because there are protectors who are really that sitting on the government on which this is something that normal nowadays. On the moment that they do get bust up then of course it would be that too obvious on whose the one is really that behind.
Good thing that with these violators get caught in the end of the line on which this proves out that money cant save you up anytime on the moment that you are proven guilty.
September 02, 2024, 06:59:16 AM
Still a long way to go before there is going to be a blanket ban on POGO. And even if the President ordered it, might take sometime, they will have to enact a law first before they can shut it down for good.
And then they will have to cooperate with PAGCOR (Philippine Amusement and Gaming Corporation), so it's not at easy as it sounds. And base on other reports, some of the legal POGO's are still operating as of this time because they haven't seen any notice yet from PAGCOR. And we have seen odds as well of online gambling proliferating in Facebook that includes the legendary Manny Pacquiao.
And then they will have to cooperate with PAGCOR (Philippine Amusement and Gaming Corporation), so it's not at easy as it sounds. And base on other reports, some of the legal POGO's are still operating as of this time because they haven't seen any notice yet from PAGCOR. And we have seen odds as well of online gambling proliferating in Facebook that includes the legendary Manny Pacquiao.
PAGCOR could not shut them down immediately because they are benefiting from the operation; that's how corrupt the government agency is. They are the ones regulating it, but they failed to see that these POGOs have already become a haven for scammers. And Philippine law is not strict in enforcement, so the operators aren’t too worried. Just imagine—they invested billions of money into this, and the government would just stop it immediately? It’s not fair. I think the main problem here is the lack of regulation by PAGCOR. That’s what they need to improve, rather than stopping the operation when the government is greatly benefiting from it.
I agree that a lack of regulation and monitoring caused the banning of POGO; the industry was infiltrated by bad actors. It should not have been this way if only some corrupt officials had not allowed it, but in a third-world country like the Philippines, when money talks, everybody listens, and money can buy almost everything here the bad actors can buy loyalty and trust, can you imagine a POGO operator is also the mayor of the town where the POGO is being operated.
Here is the timeline of the case of former Mayor Alice Guo, who found his way to rule in a town where she was operating his POGO company.
TIMELINE: The plots and twists of the 'Alice Guo' probe
September 01, 2024, 07:29:12 AM
PAGCOR could not shut them down immediately because they are benefiting from the operation; that's how corrupt the government agency is. They are the ones regulating it, but they failed to see that these POGOs have already become a haven for scammers. And Philippine law is not strict in enforcement, so the operators aren’t too worried. Just imagine—they invested billions of money into this, and the government would just stop it immediately? It’s not fair. I think the main problem here is the lack of regulation by PAGCOR. That’s what they need to improve, rather than stopping the operation when the government is greatly benefiting from it.
Corruption aside, Some tax gained on POGO was distributed to the national funds which is use by different sector that helps citizens. I think POGO in general is good because it gives revenue to our country but the only problem is poor regulations on this business that’s why it’s commonly use for illegal transactions which is not related to POGO anymore.
Politicians is just using this issue to gain sympathy of voters since election is near without thinking logically. Our country will benefit on it through proper regulation. This is same case to customs which there’s still a lot of smuggle goods.
September 01, 2024, 07:12:55 AM
Still a long way to go before there is going to be a blanket ban on POGO. And even if the President ordered it, might take sometime, they will have to enact a law first before they can shut it down for good.
And then they will have to cooperate with PAGCOR (Philippine Amusement and Gaming Corporation), so it's not at easy as it sounds. And base on other reports, some of the legal POGO's are still operating as of this time because they haven't seen any notice yet from PAGCOR. And we have seen odds as well of online gambling proliferating in Facebook that includes the legendary Manny Pacquiao.
And then they will have to cooperate with PAGCOR (Philippine Amusement and Gaming Corporation), so it's not at easy as it sounds. And base on other reports, some of the legal POGO's are still operating as of this time because they haven't seen any notice yet from PAGCOR. And we have seen odds as well of online gambling proliferating in Facebook that includes the legendary Manny Pacquiao.
PAGCOR could not shut them down immediately because they are benefiting from the operation; that's how corrupt the government agency is. They are the ones regulating it, but they failed to see that these POGOs have already become a haven for scammers. And Philippine law is not strict in enforcement, so the operators aren’t too worried. Just imagine—they invested billions of money into this, and the government would just stop it immediately? It’s not fair. I think the main problem here is the lack of regulation by PAGCOR. That’s what they need to improve, rather than stopping the operation when the government is greatly benefiting from it.
September 01, 2024, 06:50:08 AM
The proposed bill is due to the recent illegal POGO raids where human trafficking, murder, and money laundering were uncovered. Due to this, one of the Philippine senators believes that the best move is to ban POGOs and online gambling all in all and punish any person who is involved in online gambling activity if the bill is approved.
Whattt is this real a gambling had to do with all of this I mean money laundry I know a lot but human trafficking and even murder is beyond my understanding. But if this really true banning them I think is a good idea or at least put strict rule to gambling operator.
because if i look your thread it only happen to illegal gambling right?
I'm totally lost, so there are illegal and legal POGO's in the Philippines and what they are raiding are the illegal ones but it looks like the operators are very deep as it involved a mayor of a certain city that is now has left the Philippines and their Senate find out that she is not a Filipino but a Chinese but hiding under a guise of a Filipino citizen and was able to became a mayor and then the biggest backers of POGO?
So it's really a nightmare in the country, regardless of it is legal or illegal, they should really first put a stop on it as it is going to be a big issue as for sure there are a lot of big entities from behind protecting it and could be taking bribes.
September 01, 2024, 06:32:36 AM
Seems like they are getting serious:
https://cebudailynews.inquirer.net/593005/cebu-hotel-raid-uncovers-first-illegal-pogo-hub-in-visayas-162-foreigners-rescued
But reading the article, these POGO dens are about everything, kidnapping, romance scams, wtf..
The income from taxation is a non-issue!
We had this in Europe with both gambling and smoking, if a guy doesn't gamble $10 and spends $10 on tax it doesn't mean he will burn those, he will just have a pizza and a movie ticket and he will pay VAT on those and the pizza guy and cinema owner will pay extra tax on those profits. It was proven that the only true benefit tobbaco companies are doing to the economy in terms of GDP is ironically shortening the lifespan and thus the burden on the pension scheme.
https://cebudailynews.inquirer.net/593005/cebu-hotel-raid-uncovers-first-illegal-pogo-hub-in-visayas-162-foreigners-rescued
But reading the article, these POGO dens are about everything, kidnapping, romance scams, wtf..
Banning POGOs and online gambling is like taking the easiest way out and depriving the Philippine government of the possible revenue that can be generated from these ventures and as if this kind of bill will prevent illegal gambling from existing in a country.
The income from taxation is a non-issue!
We had this in Europe with both gambling and smoking, if a guy doesn't gamble $10 and spends $10 on tax it doesn't mean he will burn those, he will just have a pizza and a movie ticket and he will pay VAT on those and the pizza guy and cinema owner will pay extra tax on those profits. It was proven that the only true benefit tobbaco companies are doing to the economy in terms of GDP is ironically shortening the lifespan and thus the burden on the pension scheme.
September 01, 2024, 12:41:52 AM
Still a long way to go before there is going to be a blanket ban on POGO. And even if the President ordered it, might take sometime, they will have to enact a law first before they can shut it down for good.
And then they will have to cooperate with PAGCOR (Philippine Amusement and Gaming Corporation), so it's not at easy as it sounds. And base on other reports, some of the legal POGO's are still operating as of this time because they haven't seen any notice yet from PAGCOR. And we have seen odds as well of online gambling proliferating in Facebook that includes the legendary Manny Pacquiao.
And then they will have to cooperate with PAGCOR (Philippine Amusement and Gaming Corporation), so it's not at easy as it sounds. And base on other reports, some of the legal POGO's are still operating as of this time because they haven't seen any notice yet from PAGCOR. And we have seen odds as well of online gambling proliferating in Facebook that includes the legendary Manny Pacquiao.
August 31, 2024, 10:19:13 PM
The proposed bill is due to the recent illegal POGO raids where human trafficking, murder, and money laundering were uncovered. Due to this, one of the Philippine senators believes that the best move is to ban POGOs and online gambling all in all and punish any person who is involved in online gambling activity if the bill is approved.
Whattt is this real a gambling had to do with all of this I mean money laundry I know a lot but human trafficking and even murder is beyond my understanding. But if this really true banning them I think is a good idea or at least put strict rule to gambling operator.
because if i look your thread it only happen to illegal gambling right?
August 31, 2024, 09:29:33 PM
The thread opened two months ago and there has been no activity for months. Is there any update about banning POGO and all online gambling? If they really accept the ban offer then they will lose huge revenue for banning Pogo as well as online gambling. I think they should not ban that but to avoid money laundering, and trafficking they should monitor it.
There was already an order from the president to ban POGO. https://www.bworldonline.com/top-stories/2024/07/23/609642/marcos-orders-total-ban-on-pogos/
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PRESIDENT Ferdinand R. Marcos, Jr. on Monday announced a total ban on all offshore gaming operations in the Philippines, saying these have been linked to illegal activities including money laundering and financial scams.
“Effective today, all POGOs are banned,” he said during his State of the Nation Address (SONA), referring to Philippine offshore gaming operators (POGOs).
He also ordered the Philippine Amusement and Gaming Corp. (PAGCOR) to wind down and end the operations of all POGO facilities by the end of 2024. He also ordered the Labor department to find new jobs for POGO workers that will be displaced.
“Effective today, all POGOs are banned,” he said during his State of the Nation Address (SONA), referring to Philippine offshore gaming operators (POGOs).
He also ordered the Philippine Amusement and Gaming Corp. (PAGCOR) to wind down and end the operations of all POGO facilities by the end of 2024. He also ordered the Labor department to find new jobs for POGO workers that will be displaced.
But I heard that it's not yet totally banned. They are still in the transition process since there are a lot of Filipinos working in this industry. Slowly, they will close the POGOs until they are no longer fully operational.
August 31, 2024, 09:04:53 PM
The thread opened two months ago and there has been no activity for months. Is there any update about banning POGO and all online gambling? If they really accept the ban offer then they will lose huge revenue for banning Pogo as well as online gambling. I think they should not ban that but to avoid money laundering, and trafficking they should monitor it.
July 29, 2024, 09:14:42 PM
Previous administration is protecting this sector due to the profit they can get from POGO. But since election is near again, Politicians is now doing their job to take down POGO to boost their influence to the citizens.
The one that gives them license should be blamed because POGO will not operate in a shady if they are being regulated properly and not just giving them license without doing thorough audit.
I believe PAGCOR gives them license which should be blame for not doing an audit.
That's true. PAGCOR is the one providing licenses to the POGO, but they lack monitoring. It's understandable since the Philippines isn't too tech-savvy yet, and crypto and online gambling seem new to them. The government is always late with digital trends due to a lack of training, and probably one big reason is corruption. When a country is corrupt, as the Philippines is, public service is slow. I wouldn't be surprised if PAGCOR, which is supposed to regulate the POGO, is accepting bribes from the operators, making them unable to do their job well.
Many government officials made a lot of money from receiving bribes. The POGO industry is a multi-billion industry, and corrupt officials know this very well, so they made it their cash cow. If the operation of POGO continues, we will see many Chinese faking their citizenship to run for local officials, like the case of one Chinese Alice Guo, who faked her citizenship to run and eventually win as the mayor of one town in the Philippines.
In another five years of POGO operation, many Chinese will run many towns in the Philippines, and that could become a worse scenario and an invasion of many cities in the Philippines. I'm glad that POGO is banned, and all those perpetrators, including corrupt officials, will now face charges.
Reference : Four more witnesses emerge vs raided POGO
And a high ranking former government official of the previous administration could be one of the biggest protector and he was summoned to the Congress for a hearing. So yes, it's a big business, billions that is flowing in the hands of this corrupt government officials and the POGO mastermind themselves. Hopefully, we will get a positive responds as the President already said that within the hear, all POGO hubs are going to be closed already and hopefully it will happen and not just sort of trying to make himself look good in the eyes of the people.
Not only to close those POGO hubs, but prosecute the people who have gain from it, specially high government officials of the previous administration.
July 29, 2024, 07:51:49 AM
Previous administration is protecting this sector due to the profit they can get from POGO. But since election is near again, Politicians is now doing their job to take down POGO to boost their influence to the citizens.
The one that gives them license should be blamed because POGO will not operate in a shady if they are being regulated properly and not just giving them license without doing thorough audit.
I believe PAGCOR gives them license which should be blame for not doing an audit.
That's true. PAGCOR is the one providing licenses to the POGO, but they lack monitoring. It's understandable since the Philippines isn't too tech-savvy yet, and crypto and online gambling seem new to them. The government is always late with digital trends due to a lack of training, and probably one big reason is corruption. When a country is corrupt, as the Philippines is, public service is slow. I wouldn't be surprised if PAGCOR, which is supposed to regulate the POGO, is accepting bribes from the operators, making them unable to do their job well.
Many government officials made a lot of money from receiving bribes. The POGO industry is a multi-billion industry, and corrupt officials know this very well, so they made it their cash cow. If the operation of POGO continues, we will see many Chinese faking their citizenship to run for local officials, like the case of one Chinese Alice Guo, who faked her citizenship to run and eventually win as the mayor of one town in the Philippines.
In another five years of POGO operation, many Chinese will run many towns in the Philippines, and that could become a worse scenario and an invasion of many cities in the Philippines. I'm glad that POGO is banned, and all those perpetrators, including corrupt officials, will now face charges.
Reference : Four more witnesses emerge vs raided POGO
July 27, 2024, 06:31:43 AM
this make sense , because finally after thousand of controversies ? now the government is acting to what is best and better for their people .
Previous administration is protecting this sector due to the profit they can get from POGO. But since election is near again, Politicians is now doing their job to take down POGO to boost their influence to the citizens.
The one that gives them license should be blamed because POGO will not operate in a shady if they are being regulated properly and not just giving them license without doing thorough audit.
I believe PAGCOR gives them license which should be blame for not doing an audit.
That's true. PAGCOR is the one providing licenses to the POGO, but they lack monitoring. It's understandable since the Philippines isn't too tech-savvy yet, and crypto and online gambling seem new to them. I think the government is always late with digital trends due to a lack of training, and probably one big reason is corruption. When a country is corrupt, as the Philippines is, public service is slow. I wouldn't be surprised if PAGCOR, which is supposed to regulate the POGO, is accepting bribes from the operators, making them unable to do their job well.
July 27, 2024, 06:18:18 AM
this make sense , because finally after thousand of controversies ? now the government is acting to what is best and better for their people .
Previous administration is protecting this sector due to the profit they can get from POGO. But since election is near again, Politicians is now doing their job to take down POGO to boost their influence to the citizens.
The one that gives them license should be blamed because POGO will not operate in a shady if they are being regulated properly and not just giving them license without doing thorough audit.
I believe PAGCOR gives them license which should be blame for not doing an audit.
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