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Quote from: CryptSafe on July 01, 2024, 08:23:02 AM

I do not think this move by the senator to propose a bill to ban gambling is good. What I expected them to do is to strengthen the organisation responsible for monitoring of casinos and step up the regulatory procedures/policies for gambling. Putting a ban on gambling is like taking away food from the tables of her citizens who earn their pay as casino staff and also, the revenue the government generates from the casinos would be cut off and possibly dropping their national budget below the benchmark.

It’s definitely bad as a Filipino citizen since POGO provides works to many Filipino worker while it gives huge revenue for the Philippines that’s why previous administration protects it since it gives financial help during pandemic when every business in our country is struggling.

Banning the POGO and online gambling is a bad move not only due to their benefits but also because people will just keep breaking this law through different method. Regulating them properly and provide some restrictions is better rather than a total ban with this helpful business in our country.

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Quote from: acroman08 on June 30, 2024, 05:34:04 PM

are they sure they want to miss out on all the revenue POGO and online gambling will bring?

Yes, people who are short-sighted don't see how much money they are losing. They could make a regulatory model like the one in many countries in Europe, but without creating borders, which is the best, and charge a lot of taxes for it. But as they don't know what they regulate, they don't even think about it and the solution they think of is the simple one, to prohibit.

Quote from: Oshosondy on June 30, 2024, 05:35:39 PM

Instead to focus on regulations and ways to reduce illegal activities, they want to ban gambling. Those are two different things.

If gambling is banned in a country, it will result to more illegal gambling activities.

That's it.

Quote from: Oshosondy on June 30, 2024, 05:35:39 PM

According to what I know, offshore gambling may not bring revenue for the government. Local casinos are the government focus because that is where they see taxes from. Although some countries have strict regulations that makes any gambling site that wants to provide gambling services for their citizens to have physical presence in the country.

If they regulate it well, they can earn a lot of money in taxes with online gambling, and some people would still escape, but few. They have chosen the worst option.

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I do not think this move by the senator to propose a bill to ban gambling is good. What I expected them to do is to strengthen the organisation responsible for monitoring of casinos and step up the regulatory procedures/policies for gambling. Putting a ban on gambling is like taking away food from the tables of her citizens who earn their pay as casino staff and also, the revenue the government generates from the casinos would be cut off and possibly dropping their national budget below the benchmark.

Looking at the situation of things, Philippines have no resources that could generate revenue for them except for taxation and other means of billing that sustains their economy. I think the entire senate house of Philippines would kick against it because they know themselves very well and what could become of them if they put ban on gambling.

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Quote from: Solosanz on July 01, 2024, 06:43:36 AM

This means Filipinos aren't allowed to gamble anymore? what about users in this forum that are actively gambling and promoting gambling lol, could I say they're criminals (because they broke the laws)? lol.

They all should learn about privacy right now by using Tor, DEX, privacy tools, or privacy coins, as they want to hide against the government that could caught them.

This is not going to happen; a total ban will not work. The President who can approve the bill into becoming law will prefer to listen to his economic experts, and one of the government agencies already has this to say.

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PAGCOR has defended the country’s legitimate Internet Gaming Licensees (IGLs) - PAGCOR Chairman and CEO Alejandro H. Tengco stated IGLs have generated over PHP 5bn in gross revenues for the nation in 2023.

So unless they can find another source of income that will replace that amount, then total ban is unlikely; I read in an online news that the government administration prefers stricter measures against fake POGOs than totally banning them.

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This is a very hypocrite move by the PH senators while online gambling especially POGO are a great source of income tax to government which they frequently corrupt through their confidential funds.

This bill is toxic and doesn’t solve the issue about gambling since people will just force to break the law just to gamble since gambling is already part of the Filipino leisure time.

But I doubt that they can implement this law to full extent since Philippines government is the most incompetent country when implementing their own law. They can’t monitor it thoroughly in long term. Wink

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He also pointed out that the nation’s gaming regulator, the Philippine Amusement and Gaming Corporation (PAGCOR), has “unfortunately failed” to ensure all online gaming operators within the country operate legally and adhere to the nation’s regulatory compliance.

That's from the article in the OP.

What I understand about that is if we gamble on online casinos that operates illegally within the country, we will be fine 500k or $8,620 at the current (php =usd) rate. and could go to jail. So I believe this doesn't include online casinos that are not operating in the Philippines, and since most of the casinos here are not in the Philippines, therefore Filipinos would have no problem with their online gambling.

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This means Filipinos aren't allowed to gamble anymore? what about users in this forum that are actively gambling and promoting gambling lol, could I say they're criminals (because they broke the laws)? lol.

They all should learn about privacy right now by using Tor, DEX, privacy tools, or privacy coins, as they want to hide against the government that could caught them.

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Quote from: serjent05 on June 30, 2024, 05:22:04 PM

This is very bad for the people who love online gambling in the Philippines. A senator of the Philippines proposes a Bill to ban all Philippine Offshore Gaming Operator (POGO) and all kinds of Online Gambling. Any individual involved will be fined up to Php500k(US$8,536) or imprisoned for up to six months. More story on the link below:

The proposed bill is due to the recent illegal POGO raids where human trafficking, murder, and money laundering were uncovered. Due to this, one of the Philippine senators believes that the best move is to ban POGOs and online gambling all in all and punish any person who is involved in online gambling activity if the bill is approved.

This is going to be a very long debate among senators who favors online gambling because of the very huge taxes that its being brought to the country's coffer and those who favor total ban.

I don't think the President of the Philippines will agree for a total ban because the country is under the restructuring of the economy under his regime and that's less 4 billion pesos cut in in the budget under his regime and he still has 4 years in the office and he has no other resources to fill on the loss revenue brought by losing revenue from gambling taxes.

The President will eventually veto this idea and instead will encourage senators to come up a bill on how to stop the abuses of these POGO companies and closely monitor their activities, The Philippines is a third world country and the gambling industry contribute a big part in its economy.

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These are the attitudes of someone who does not want to study the market first before speaking or proposing laws. he should research how much money the government is getting from taxes and how many jobs are being created thanks to gambling and what contribution gambling is having to tourism, because I believe that if the government sat down and thought on a strategic plan in which gambling was well regulated, taxes were paid, and more jobs were created, so everyone won. It's funny that this senator gets in the car, he has a car, but how many people die every day in car accidents?

the number of people who are dying in car accidents is a very high number and no one blames the car companies, we all know that it is the people's and governments' fault when they hear things like: "the car company is going to close because the business It's not working and will lay off many employees " governments rush to save the company, give the company a loan and exempt the company from paying taxes for a certain time, because they have to see many people without jobs. so in my opinion this senator seems to me to be someone without a brain

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If it is true what he says then breaking the laws is unacceptable for POGOs. There is always a shadow of suspicion of illegal activities on various gambling sites and, of course, local law enforcement agencies must carefully monitor this. I understand that the risk of bribing one of them is high, because there is a lot of money in gambling and the temptation is great for everyone to break something. I have no evidence, but I can assume that even this official could have been paid to speak badly and create charges against POGO in order to eliminate them, because any closed casino is always profitable for its competitors.

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It's because of what is going from behind this POGO, and recently there was one Mayor, being controversial as they said that she is behind the POGO and that she is a protector and Chinese spies because she is not a Filipino but did come here with Chinese passport and when the Senate investigated here background, that's where they found out all about her and unravelling her secrets.

But it's going to be a big lost for the Philippine government if they will totally shut down or ban POGO for good. And it might again, resulted in more fly by night illegal gambling but other entities in the Philippines as the country is one of the biggest gamblers in Asia.

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I tried to research about this issue and find out that those operators of that POGO hubs are committing crimes like hacking,kidnapping,torture and human trafficking. So if that's the case happening in that place then, Its really more better for government to decide to eliminate the existence of POGO's in their country since there's nothing to get from that industry and might Philippines will became a center of money laundering schemes.

Quote from: Frankolala on July 01, 2024, 04:40:20 AM

PH government has just opened the door to illegal gambling because gambling is part of human nature and no one can stop it. Banning POGO and online gambling is a wrong move.

I don't know why government don't arrest these bad actors and implement strict regulations for everyone's benefit but rather they get the wrong impression and put the blame on it. Only few people are the corrupt ones while majority are just having fun with gamble.

It will be a wrong move if there's nothing illegal happening there but if those case I mentioned is happening then I guess its better to stop it for betterment of their country and also to their citizens.

Yeah maybe government can get something from them but its not really worth it if there's illegalities happening that's why I agree on what PH Senators do since for sure they push to do that because they know that evil deeds are more heavier than profits they can get from those hubs.

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Quote from: acroman08 on June 30, 2024, 05:34:04 PM

are they sure they want to miss out on all the revenue POGO and online gambling will bring? from watching the news it looks to me that POGO/online gambling isn't the issue, it is the corrupt officials who only care about making money for themselves. the Philippines could greatly benefit from POGO and online gambling, we just need officials who have the best intentions for our country(sadly these people are extremely hard to find).

Quote from: serjent05 on June 30, 2024, 05:22:04 PM

What about you do you think banning offshore gambling operators and online gambling will solve the spread of illegal gambling activities in a country?

it won't. instead of banning them, they need to take full advantage of the revenue offshore gambling will bring to the country.

Certainly it won’t but if senators will push through this, all those future revenues will be lost. Thus, leaving the Philippines free from online gambling operators but will also suffer from not gaining anymore potential profits out from the proceeds of online gambling. However, I won’t say it’s all about disadvantages since upon doing my research, if this is true that reports of trafficking, kidnapping, murder, torture, prostitution and other abuses have been linked to POGOs, then banning could also end up as a good decision in order to lessen all these abuses mentioned.

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PH government has just opened the door to illegal gambling because gambling is part of human nature and no one can stop it. Banning POGO and online gambling is a wrong move.

I don't know why government don't arrest these bad actors and implement strict regulations for everyone's benefit but rather they get the wrong impression and put the blame on it. Only few people are the corrupt ones while majority are just having fun with gamble.

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Banning online gambling because of corruption that is linked to it is just like throwing the bath water and the child in it away or condemning a basket of oranges because there are some rotten ones in it. The Philippine government should tackle the corruption in their POGOs and allow gamblers who gambles genuinely online to do so without any problems. I believe that the motion of the ban is just an opinion of a single senator, hopefully it'll be rejected by the majority of the senators and thrown out as something that will not benefit their economy and gambling community.

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This is just a proposal, meaning it's not yet approved. POGO could be banned (most likely), but online gambling cannot be banned entirely since people access different online casinos that are not operating in the Philippines. They can't ban something outside their jurisdiction. If they really want to ban all gambling platforms, they'd need to remove internet access for Filipinos, which is impossible.

I agree with banning POGO, but they need to be realistic about their goal of banning the entire online gambling platform. Otherwise, they may seem like they don't know what they are talking about.

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Well, in my opinion, instead of banning gambling in the country, there should have been more regulatory bodies that they should have on boarded to always make sure they have a thick eye on casinos and other gambling companies that are contributing to these illegal activities. If any casino is caught, they should be punished, fined some certain amount of money, and if an individual is also caught in such an act, he or she should be punished. If casinos or gambling are banned in the country, there are other ways those crimes will still go on; it will not stop such crimes.

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Quote from: serjent05 on June 30, 2024, 05:22:04 PM

In my personal view, I do not think there is a need to ban POGO's and online gambling. This is not the fault of a regular individual but the institution behind the gambling regulatory board. Instead of banning and penalizing people who are engaged in gambling activities, the bill should strengthen the regulation and purge the institution of any corrupt official that allows these illegal activities to proliferate. He should implement a bill that will severely punish any government official that engage in illegal gambling activities. Banning POGOs and online gambling is like taking the easiest way out and depriving the Philippine government of the possible revenue that can be generated from these ventures and as if this kind of bill will prevent illegal gambling from existing in a country. I hope this kind of bill won't progress instead take an alternative implementation of cleansing the gambling regulatory board of any corrupt official and holding them accountable for their wicked crimes.

What about you do you think banning offshore gambling operators and online gambling will solve the spread of illegal gambling activities in a country?

Banning online gambling, in any form, will not solve the problem. In fact, banning online gambling in some region of the world because some cabal doesn't like it is what strengthens one of Bitcoin's core value proposition - Censorship-Resistance. Cool

I'm not telling you to encourage illegal activities in your country, but if a small group of people decides to remove your right to do something you like with YOUR money, teach the people around you about Bitcoin and its ethos/value propositions.

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Quote from: Potato Chips on June 30, 2024, 05:36:00 PM

How are they banning the online gambling though? esp the offshore platforms?

Last I heard, when a regulatory body from PH banned binance, it was only at domain level. The result? many folks easily bypassed this by changing DNS lol. A cease and desist was suggested but of course, they wouldn't wanna put that much effort.

Those countries do not have rules that can effectively ban offshore services. They will only lose on tax if they ban online gambling. People will move to the offshore gambling sites to gamble. Sometimes I think about how illiterate some leaders are thinking. This kind of thinking is so illiterate. I am not expecting a senator to think like this, not to talk of proposing such bill. I hope the bill will not be passed.

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When I read about some of the bills passed in parliament, to ban this or implement that, I know that it didn't come from a place of empirical evidence and research. Rather it came from a place of emotions, sentiments and irrational thinking. It is akin to the idiomatic expression which is throwing the baby out with the bathwater. It means that an avoidable error in which something good or of value is eliminated when trying to get rid of something unwanted. It is good that the Senator wants to reduce the rate of human trafficking, murder, and money laundering which came as a result of illegal POGO but that would affect the growing gambling industry which is an way to grow the economy of a country and some other benefits. The senator or his aides have to withdraw their bill if possible and present it again when they have done their research and come up with pragmatic solutions to counter human trafficking, murder, and money laundering.

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